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#21 Nov 4, 2012
Bleeds Purple wrote:
Hey I know its not all Ponders fault,we missed plenty of tackles and a turnover doesnt help plus were giving up way to much yards on the ground but Ponder is just pathetic.I dont understand why were so stubborn as not put Webb in for the third quarter at least..Ponder needs a time out.Theres no reason to lose the game when youre running back gets 190 yards.No excuse for it.Get Ponder out for a game or two till he gets his head on straight.I know he can play better than that.Its not even fun to watch.
It's about the QB postion until we get that right Peterson and Harvin mean nothing.

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Since: Feb 08

Craigville

#22 Nov 4, 2012
Bleeds Purple wrote:
Hey I know its not all Ponders fault,we missed plenty of tackles and a turnover doesnt help plus were giving up way to much yards on the ground but Ponder is just pathetic.I dont understand why were so stubborn as not put Webb in for the third quarter at least..Ponder needs a time out.Theres no reason to lose the game when youre running back gets 190 yards.No excuse for it.Get Ponder out for a game or two till he gets his head on straight.I know he can play better than that.Its not even fun to watch.
I've never seen such a stretch of inadequate QB play before in my life. Even including TJ
A great game for Ponder would be to actually throw for 100 yards.
Guru

United States

#23 Nov 4, 2012
I can't wait for the next draft where I can pick our next bust of a QB.

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#24 Nov 4, 2012
40for60 wrote:
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I've never seen such a stretch of inadequate QB play before in my life. Even including TJ
A great game for Ponder would be to actually throw for 100 yards.
Ya,Or over ten yards.LOL

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Since: Feb 08

Craigville

#25 Nov 4, 2012
Bleeds Purple wrote:
<quoted text>Ya,Or over ten yards.LOL
Ponder has 4 games this year with a grand total of 541 yards.
An average of 136 yards.

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Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#26 Nov 5, 2012
Bleeds Purple wrote:
Hey I know its not all Ponders fault,we missed plenty of tackles and a turnover doesnt help plus were giving up way to much yards on the ground but Ponder is just pathetic.I dont understand why were so stubborn as not put Webb in for the third quarter at least..Ponder needs a time out.Theres no reason to lose the game when youre running back gets 190 yards.No excuse for it.Get Ponder out for a game or two till he gets his head on straight.I know he can play better than that.Its not even fun to watch.
It's not his head it's his right knee. Ever since he tweaked it he started floating passes high. He can't drive off it so his release point has changed. He still needs to sit it out through the bye to let it heal.
old time vikings fan

Toronto, Canada

#27 Nov 5, 2012
A lot of problems with the team. I said at the beginning of the year that we wouldn't be any better than 7-9 and I stand by that comment. No Wr's of note, an average OL at best, an average secondary, a poor corps of LB's and no interior DL to stop the run....oh and a really bad QB. Don't get me started on the coaching. They deserve a separate blog. I thought Spielman did a decent job in the draft but there is no way of really assessing his picks because the QB play is so bad. He seems to like projects and cast offs that have no value for anyone else and prove to be a bust i.e. Carlson and Simpson.

We go through this every year and its so sad to see a great franchise forced to endure stupid moves by management. Now we have to think about a new QB, new coaches, and rebuilding for the nth time.
Laughing Bear Fan

Littleton, CO

#28 Nov 5, 2012
Guru wrote:
I can't wait for the next draft where I can pick our next bust of a QB.
I think you should draft nothing but QB's until you find the right one

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Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#29 Nov 5, 2012
I think one of the most overlooked problems is RG. Fusco is a turnstyle. Most pressure is coming from there.
Magnum Man

Christopher, IL

#30 Nov 5, 2012
Stubby wrote:
I think one of the most overlooked problems is RG. Fusco is a turnstyle. Most pressure is coming from there.
I also think that DT would be something to look at in the draft. I like the kid from University of Utah. Can't remember his name, but he was on espn and seemed to be having a great seaon.

But yes, RG could be 1 or 2 in the draft.

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Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#31 Nov 6, 2012
That DT is Star Lotulelei. I'll pronounce his first name and you pronounce his last name.

I am real big on building solid trenches. Teams with strong O and D lines are always highly competitive. Plus a weakness on either of these gets exposed in the playoffs. Just ask last years Packers.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#32 Nov 6, 2012
Some say all you need is a Qb,Wr,DT to win it all.
What's up with our OC?
Teams are playing our wr's tight on the line,they've put a DB on Rudolph more often and that's if he's not stuck pass blocking,which seems to be more often as the OL struggles,pass wise as usual.
Dc's have figured out how to stop the Viking pass game cold.I would expect a receiver to bust one occasionally for a long TD,quite normal most weeks,league wide.Hard to put that on Ponder,although I question if we had a P.Manning if it would be the same.Either way the pass game sucks and the D which was stellar until 3 weeks ago isn't stopping anybody.
As of today,draft wise,we certainly need to address DT,Wr,OL.I'll reserve judgement on the Qb position until season's end and that will be based on many factors,not Ponder alone.I don't like Qb's who run,they don't win S.B.'s and lately games.See RG,Newton,Vick.Plus I don't think Webb once teams have game tape is worth a nickel.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#33 Nov 6, 2012
Another problem I have with the OC is the deep pass,we don't seem to take many down field chances.Ponder has the arm,so either the OC doesn't like the protection or lacks confidence in our deep threat guys,if we even have one.So defenses will continue playing tight coverage,man coverage and putting a better pass cover guy on the TE,when not to busy helping some sorry OL guy block.
I expect a few games with a descent passing attack are ahead,namely Det.,G.B.and the Rams,if that happens all the forum experts will need to figure out why that is and why a few games of late it wasn't.Then we'll talk NEEDS.Or at least the more knowledgeable football forum people will.
old time vikings fan

Toronto, Canada

#34 Nov 6, 2012
Childress wrote:
Some say all you need is a Qb,Wr,DT to win it all.
What's up with our OC?
Teams are playing our wr's tight on the line,they've put a DB on Rudolph more often and that's if he's not stuck pass blocking,which seems to be more often as the OL struggles,pass wise as usual.
Dc's have figured out how to stop the Viking pass game cold.I would expect a receiver to bust one occasionally for a long TD,quite normal most weeks,league wide.Hard to put that on Ponder,although I question if we had a P.Manning if it would be the same.Either way the pass game sucks and the D which was stellar until 3 weeks ago isn't stopping anybody.
As of today,draft wise,we certainly need to address DT,Wr,OL.I'll reserve judgement on the Qb position until season's end and that will be based on many factors,not Ponder alone.I don't like Qb's who run,they don't win S.B.'s and lately games.See RG,Newton,Vick.Plus I don't think Webb once teams have game tape is worth a nickel.
9 games into the season and we are already thinking of the draft. While I didn't expect the team to have a winning record, the regression in Ponder's play is alarming. Some say it is the OC's fault, throwing too much info at him and making him confused and uncertain of his reads. Crap! Ponder is one of the smartest QB's playing the game. He finished his degree in three years and is working on his Master's. He can assimilate a lot of data. The problem is that he has about 2.3 seconds to make his reads and can't seem to do that. If he looks off his first read the second isn't open and then he has to scramble. He is supposed to be good on the run but his mechanics have suddenly vanished. He looks confused and frightened as soon as he feels any pressure. Something has happened to him this year and I think he is still feeling the effects of a concussion. He is now gun shy of the next hit to the head. That plus he isn't getting the right kind of help from his WR's or OL. The best thing for Ponder will be some screen plays to make the teams think twice about the blitz and getting Rudolph the ball early in the game. If he feels he has a reliable safety valve he will regain his confidence and start to forget about the next big hit.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#35 Nov 6, 2012
old time vikings fan wrote:
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9 games into the season and we are already thinking of the draft. While I didn't expect the team to have a winning record, the regression in Ponder's play is alarming. Some say it is the OC's fault, throwing too much info at him and making him confused and uncertain of his reads. Crap! Ponder is one of the smartest QB's playing the game. He finished his degree in three years and is working on his Master's. He can assimilate a lot of data. The problem is that he has about 2.3 seconds to make his reads and can't seem to do that. If he looks off his first read the second isn't open and then he has to scramble. He is supposed to be good on the run but his mechanics have suddenly vanished. He looks confused and frightened as soon as he feels any pressure. Something has happened to him this year and I think he is still feeling the effects of a concussion. He is now gun shy of the next hit to the head. That plus he isn't getting the right kind of help from his WR's or OL. The best thing for Ponder will be some screen plays to make the teams think twice about the blitz and getting Rudolph the ball early in the game. If he feels he has a reliable safety valve he will regain his confidence and start to forget about the next big hit.
It's easy to blame the Qb.Maybe it's him,maybe it's everybody.I reserve judgement until the season concludes at which time I'll look at the whole picture,including the coaching.
Screens??????????
I have a problem with a continued short passing game.
I'm more for 5 wides and bust a play 65 yds after catch for a TD.Get those receiving stats up by playing wide open ball and mixing it up and getting those defenders up against shit they haven't seen on tape.Maybe have Ponder release underneath to Rudolph in a 4 receiver,1 TE get him going again.And maybe Ponder starts looking like we want.I'd hate to have to start over again at Qb when we have needs.
For now I blame the vanilla OC,time will tell but not in the current offense IMO.
Ponder may be getting gun shy,may be the knee.may be the protection
but
I want the OC to figure it out and fix it.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#36 Nov 6, 2012
At least add some excitement into the passing attack and stop acting like 2 wr's are good enough.If their passing announce it with 4 receivers 1 Te or 5 Wr
but
make a statement and say we will complete our share.
Even a weak OL pass wise should look good in a wide open pass attack and the players will love it.
Surprisingly
everything is about Ponder this week.
I'd love to know what Percy screamed at the HC
That's the real story right now.
old time vikings fan

Toronto, Canada

#37 Nov 6, 2012
Childress wrote:
At least add some excitement into the passing attack and stop acting like 2 wr's are good enough.If their passing announce it with 4 receivers 1 Te or 5 Wr
but
make a statement and say we will complete our share.
Even a weak OL pass wise should look good in a wide open pass attack and the players will love it.
Surprisingly
everything is about Ponder this week.
I'd love to know what Percy screamed at the HC
That's the real story right now.
Something about the play calling and not getting into the end zone.

I like the idea of mixing it up and going for broke; but you will have to accept more int's and sacks if that's the case. We didn't throw ONE screen pass in the Seattle game and maybe one or two against Tampa. It's a tried and true method of beating the blitz yet we didn't even make the attempt. I want to get Ponder's confidence off of the carpet and I think that will take "safer" routes to make the completions.

That being said I agree with you and a lot of the other people on the site that the OC has failed in designing an offence that fits Ponder's strengths. He came from a vanilla offence in Atlanta and seems to want the same thing in Minnie. He's old school West Coast and the only team having any success with that is San Francisco. However there is no point in opening the pass attack if the Wr's can't get open or run bad routes; and the QB gets happy feet and has poor mechanics. It's something of a "perfect storm" for failure.
old time vikings fan

Toronto, Canada

#38 Nov 6, 2012
Just read that they didn't attempt a "bubble screen" to Harvin as the opposing D's were dropping LB's and DL into that coverage and the Wr's and TE's couldn't make the blocks necessary to free him.

Soooooo don't try and disguise the play? They can't call a screen play with AD or a TE? If opposing D's are using LB's and OL on the edge who is on the line? Can't Ponder see that and audible to another play? We are so predictable. If Ad is 7 yards deep he always gets the ball. If Harvin goes in motion he gets a swing pass. If Gerhardt goes in he gets the ball 8 of 10 times up the middle and the other two times are attempted screens. No wonder Ponder gets sacked so often. My nephew could call the D against the Vikings!

Now Frazier says Ponder has to stay in the pocket longer to make his reads and give the WR time to complete their route and get uncovered. What horse c...!! Easy for him to say. He's not getting his clocked cleaned every other play. Hey here's an idea. Use shorter routes dependent on timing which is what Ponder did in school.

Childress you are right. If the OC can't change his play calling he needs to go asap!

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#39 Nov 6, 2012
old time vikings fan wrote:
<quoted text>
Something about the play calling and not getting into the end zone.
I like the idea of mixing it up and going for broke; but you will have to accept more int's and sacks if that's the case. We didn't throw ONE screen pass in the Seattle game and maybe one or two against Tampa. It's a tried and true method of beating the blitz yet we didn't even make the attempt. I want to get Ponder's confidence off of the carpet and I think that will take "safer" routes to make the completions.
That being said I agree with you and a lot of the other people on the site that the OC has failed in designing an offence that fits Ponder's strengths. He came from a vanilla offence in Atlanta and seems to want the same thing in Minnie. He's old school West Coast and the only team having any success with that is San Francisco. However there is no point in opening the pass attack if the Wr's can't get open or run bad routes; and the QB gets happy feet and has poor mechanics. It's something of a "perfect storm" for failure.
I've seen 2 Viking games this year in there entirety,plus Red zone and lots of Viking drives.I've yet to see poor mechanics and certainly not happy feet.TJ excelled in that and I'm sure I would notice.If you want screens,fine.With the 4 or 5 wide receiver set,I would hope our 4th and 5th are better than their 4th and 5th CB's creating scoring chances,making things livelier and helping a poor pass Ol by getting the ball off faster and maybe breaking a few.Plus I think it helps Ponder,instead of standing there waiting for someone who can't get off the line or get some separation,let's throw the whole damn thing at the D and see what shakes lose.Get some no huddle,TE chip block and get open.Run plays seem to work just fine,even when the D knows we're running.Nothing needed there.I would love "the cardiac kid" approach.If it all fails,we should at least be able to sort out the crap.But I doubt that approach fails unless the receivers are down right not NFL material.I'm still ok with what I see of Ponder but willing to dump a bum,not hang onto a guy like TJ that someone in the forum did,like forever.Hell more than a few guys wanted to trade Peterson for picks,so everybody and anybody cuts it or not.By the way,I see the draft as a crap shoot 1 through rd 7.I never would trade Peterson.
I also think your of a different name now a days.Are you Buddy Grant????
I have a long memory of typing styles and personalities related as such.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#40 Nov 6, 2012
old time vikings fan wrote:
Just read that they didn't attempt a "bubble screen" to Harvin as the opposing D's were dropping LB's and DL into that coverage and the Wr's and TE's couldn't make the blocks necessary to free him.
Soooooo don't try and disguise the play? They can't call a screen play with AD or a TE? If opposing D's are using LB's and OL on the edge who is on the line? Can't Ponder see that and audible to another play? We are so predictable. If Ad is 7 yards deep he always gets the ball. If Harvin goes in motion he gets a swing pass. If Gerhardt goes in he gets the ball 8 of 10 times up the middle and the other two times are attempted screens. No wonder Ponder gets sacked so often. My nephew could call the D against the Vikings!
Now Frazier says Ponder has to stay in the pocket longer to make his reads and give the WR time to complete their route and get uncovered. What horse c...!! Easy for him to say. He's not getting his clocked cleaned every other play. Hey here's an idea. Use shorter routes dependent on timing which is what Ponder did in school.
Childress you are right. If the OC can't change his play calling he needs to go asap!
Just terrible.Most of us on the jury are still out on the coaching,all of them.They just don't seem to measure up to the good coaches of other teams.If they go that route,Ponder gets killed and we draft another QB who also gets killed,and on and on.Cater an offense to the strengths of what you have,and mix it up a lot more than the usual.What's up with these guys?Seems like since Denny green left we can't pass block or pass protect.With these receivers,they need to get them all in there and create some helter skelter or something.If your qb has 3 seconds,maybe a broader selection on the menu is in order,like 4 and 5 wide outs.just saying,
worth a shot.Maybe we just start over again,maybe we find out we have some players in a different style of play.

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