Our Ponder
MonahDav

Madera, CA

#224 Jul 9, 2012
40for60 wrote:
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Raji is a run stopper, more along the lines of Pat Williams. Kevin misses Pat just to absorb some double teams.
Purple Faithful I know doesn't like Spielman & he was saying Spielman is adding personnel "Players" like The Vikings already have a QB like Aaron My guess is Purple Didn't like the Vikings picking Kalil & would prefer they picked a DT & as a example he compared the Packers picking BJ Raji & if you look at BJ Raji stats last year he had 3 sacks. Purple had also said how Kevin sack total went down last season & I agree Kevin sacks are down without Pat being next to him to fill the open hole. But if anyone wants to only look at sacks BJ isnt a good example being he had only three last season. Lets not forget the Vikings did have a league high of 50 sacks last year. Does it matter who got them? Not having Pat next to Kevin didn't hurt the team as far as sacks I dont think. Now as far as stoping the Run game it did hurt not having Pat to fill the hole. I say if your going to go on & complain about Ponder Not getting the ball to his receivers Why wouldn't you like the Vikings picking OT Kalil, when he will give the needed time Ponder needs. Sure the Vikings need a DT But was it a biger need then a OT I dont think so & the league high 50 sacks tells you it wasn't there bigest need Wouldn't you agree?
MonahDav

Madera, CA

#225 Jul 9, 2012
Childress wrote:
<quoted text>What do you think of Ponder,high and low end?PF seems a little harsh on the guy,he may be right.Personally,I think he had crap to work with last season,I expect a huge improvement this time around,but we're still rebuilding.Do you see him as top 10 sooner than later,or never? Some say Webb performed better,I don't,plus Webb has time in the system.But I'm not for Webb,just pointing out what some will/did say already.
I think Ponder's arm is good He throws well on the run & is on target. His arm will be stronger this year. It takes time to learn the system & not having OTAs & starting in only 10 games lsat season is no way for a rookie QB to start. I think over all Ponder did a pretty good job & if you look at what he did in the red zone he did darn good. I know Ponder wasnt a All pro QB in rookie year but was Elway, or Joe Montana & look at Aaron's first year not exactly the all pro he is now right. all I am saying is most quarterbacks take around three years to adapt to a system. & Yes Ponder could verywell be a all pro someday. He has the accuracy & smarts to make it. P.S. I never thought Webb was any good, What Webb does best is Run.

“HHhhhoooowwwlll”

Since: Feb 08

Craigville

#226 Jul 9, 2012
MonahDav wrote:
<quoted text>Purple Faithful I know doesn't like Spielman & he was saying Spielman is adding personnel "Players" like The Vikings already have a QB like Aaron My guess is Purple Didn't like the Vikings picking Kalil & would prefer they picked a DT & as a example he compared the Packers picking BJ Raji & if you look at BJ Raji stats last year he had 3 sacks. Purple had also said how Kevin sack total went down last season & I agree Kevin sacks are down without Pat being next to him to fill the open hole. But if anyone wants to only look at sacks BJ isnt a good example being he had only three last season. Lets not forget the Vikings did have a league high of 50 sacks last year. Does it matter who got them? Not having Pat next to Kevin didn't hurt the team as far as sacks I dont think. Now as far as stoping the Run game it did hurt not having Pat to fill the hole. I say if your going to go on & complain about Ponder Not getting the ball to his receivers Why wouldn't you like the Vikings picking OT Kalil, when he will give the needed time Ponder needs. Sure the Vikings need a DT But was it a biger need then a OT I dont think so & the league high 50 sacks tells you it wasn't there bigest need Wouldn't you agree?
Purple is looking at a blueprint for success, and he doesn't feel the Vikings are following that road, correct me if I'm wrong Purple.
Pat W. was the anchor of the line, and freed up K. Williams to make plays, mostly in the run as you mention. Taking Kalil #5 may not be the smartest move, but Speilman is filling in where the needs are greatest, whether that works out in the long run is yet to be determined. If Kalil anchors the O-line for the next 12-15 years, and not allowing Ponder/whomever to get annihilated, it could still pan out. I agree with Purple that we need playmakers, impact playmakers, but foreseeing any draft pick' future in the NFL always has been a crapshoot.
If the players drafted excel, then all is not lost IMO.
My biggest beef with Ponder is his melt downs with the game on the line, he plays worse when the chips are on the table, not a good trend IMO.
ezg357

Madera, CA

#227 Jul 9, 2012
I think if you look at the NFC North division & the hole that Pat left The Run game hole, it just isnt a major concern in the NFC So holding off on a DT & taking OT Kalil was the right choice. I think the reason the Vikings went with Kalil this year & not a DT is next years draft has better DT then this years. The Vikings was looking ahead. Kalil is the best OT in this years draft & the next years draft. The Vikings are rebuilding & looking at the best OT for the next few years to come the better choice was Kalil. anyway thats why I think they picked Kalil this year & held off on a DT.
ezg357

Madera, CA

#228 Jul 9, 2012
Hay this is about receivers & there Catches and drops in the NFC North.>> http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/43...
MonahDav

Madera, CA

#229 Jul 9, 2012
Good insight reasoning ezg357 I agree that next season draft will have some good defensive tackles. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1186053-20... Where about in madera are you. we should get together & have a beer.
ezg357

Madera, CA

#230 Jul 9, 2012
I live near highway 99 The only thing near me is is savemart & a walmart I am always working 6 days a week 12hour days & the 7th day the wife wants her time I dont get a lot of time to myself anymore. but thanks for the offer.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#231 Nov 9, 2012
MonahDav wrote:
<quoted text>Did you BJ Raji sack total last season I mean if your going to talk about Kevin Williams Sacks take a look at what BJ did last season also.
That's a 3-4. different stokes, my man. Raj does his job by demanding double teams & pushing the pocket.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#232 Nov 9, 2012
40for60 wrote:
<quoted text>
Purple is looking at a blueprint for success, and he doesn't feel the Vikings are following that road, correct me if I'm wrong Purple.
Pat W. was the anchor of the line, and freed up K. Williams to make plays, mostly in the run as you mention. Taking Kalil #5 may not be the smartest move, but Speilman is filling in where the needs are greatest, whether that works out in the long run is yet to be determined. If Kalil anchors the O-line for the next 12-15 years, and not allowing Ponder/whomever to get annihilated, it could still pan out. I agree with Purple that we need playmakers, impact playmakers, but foreseeing any draft pick' future in the NFL always has been a crapshoot.
If the players drafted excel, then all is not lost IMO.
My biggest beef with Ponder is his melt downs with the game on the line, he plays worse when the chips are on the table, not a good trend IMO.
Ponder's at best an average, caretaker type player. So, supporting Ponder by drafting Kalil isn't gonna get you a lot more bang for the buck. If we had an elite QB, then by all means protect him. But giving Ponder great protection by using a top 5 (4th overall) on a support position to support a below average QB isn't gonna get-r-done. Fletcher Cox is considered by Philly to be thier best DT & He put the clown suit on Yanda, the ravens all pro guard. A constant double next to Allen frees him up a bit & the MLB a great deal. The eagles' journeynman MLB looks all-pro behind Cox...Anyway, offensive linemen later in the draft, QB's, pass rushers high in the draft.
Harry

Aliso Viejo, CA

#233 Nov 9, 2012
Purple Faithful wrote:
<quoted text>Ponder's at best an average, caretaker type player. So, supporting Ponder by drafting Kalil isn't gonna get you a lot more bang for the buck. If we had an elite QB, then by all means protect him. But giving Ponder great protection by using a top 5 (4th overall) on a support position to support a below average QB isn't gonna get-r-done. Fletcher Cox is considered by Philly to be thier best DT & He put the clown suit on Yanda, the ravens all pro guard. A constant double next to Allen frees him up a bit & the MLB a great deal. The eagles' journeynman MLB looks all-pro behind Cox...Anyway, offensive linemen later in the draft, QB's, pass rushers high in the draft.
Interesting thing. I was travelling during the Seattle game and got it on radio. It was a fairly neutral broadcast.

One thing the commentators brought up was AP. Specifically about Seattle blitzing when AP was in on passing downs.

AP cannot or will not pick up a blitz. You can have the best left tackle in football but if your starting RB is a matador that will not give Ponder time to pass.

Worse......Ponder knows that AP's blocking sucks.

Blashphemy? No. It was not my observation.

“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#234 Nov 10, 2012
Peterson blocks about as well as Terrell Owens controls his mouth.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#235 Nov 10, 2012
Plus Ryan's stats for Philly are less than average in fantasy leagues using defenseman.
47 tackles,1 sack,2 passes defended.That's less than middle of the pack.Last I checked,Cox wasn't a starter.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#236 Nov 10, 2012
Yea,just checked,C.Jenkins is the starter,Cox is a back me up.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#237 Nov 10, 2012
Childress wrote:
Yea,just checked,C.Jenkins is the starter,Cox is a back me up.
not anymore.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#238 Nov 10, 2012
Harry wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting thing. I was travelling during the Seattle game and got it on radio. It was a fairly neutral broadcast.
One thing the commentators brought up was AP. Specifically about Seattle blitzing when AP was in on passing downs.
AP cannot or will not pick up a blitz. You can have the best left tackle in football but if your starting RB is a matador that will not give Ponder time to pass.
Worse......Ponder knows that AP's blocking sucks.
Blashphemy? No. It was not my observation.
Yeah, that's the problem with Peterson. he doesn't really help the vikes win because he's a liability on passing plays. Running sets up the pass, but not so much in the Vike's case.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#239 Nov 10, 2012
Childress wrote:
Plus Ryan's stats for Philly are less than average in fantasy leagues using defenseman.
47 tackles,1 sack,2 passes defended.That's less than middle of the pack.Last I checked,Cox wasn't a starter.
lol at fantasy stats. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1375011-ph...

https://nfldata.com/nfl-stats/player-details....

Check tackles for loss. i mean, it's great greenway can get lots of tackles because teams sustain drives on the vikes so well going at him, but it's not really the goal. duh.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#240 Nov 10, 2012
https://nfldata.com/nfl-stats/player-details....

there's greenway.

Again, put a double team infront of greenway helps make the vikings franchise olb good. greenway can't be shedding guards.

“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#241 Nov 11, 2012
You are comparing a weak side ILB to a strong side outside LB. Their stats won't match up as their roles are different. What double team is in front of Greenway? The strong side LB lines up on the offenses strong side where the TE or other imbalance of blockers are. There isn't a D double team in front of Greenway but rather the opposite of an O double team. That's why Greenway hardly ever blitzes or gets a sack. It's not his role.

Ryans on the other hand benefits from 3-4 scheme that is designed to cause miss matches in blocks and/or confusion in the O blocking assignments. He gets the advantage of the misreads and comes on blitzes through open holes for sacks and tackles for loss. Also, most LB blitz assignments in 3-4 go to weak side LBs.

“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#242 Nov 11, 2012
Vs Lions, knee brace was off and Ponder was planting strong on his right leg. Made a world of difference. His accuracy and power were both back.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#243 Nov 11, 2012
Pro Football talk has a real nice story on our team and the win.

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