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Jan 13, 2013
 
Well, let's hear it. Who do you want the Vikings braintrust to bring in. I imagine I'll be seeing a lot of WR's targeted, but I'm gonna go in a different direction:

Jon Beason, MLB
Matt Moore, QB

I would think this would be decent. D.J. Moore, CB is also a possibility. Then, look at either a top DT or WR in round 1.

Round 1 [23]--
Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
Cordarelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee

I'd prefer the DT. Hard to get a pass rushing 3 tech DT rd 2. Plenty of great wr's get taken rd 2.

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Jan 14, 2013
 
Purple Faithful wrote:
Well, let's hear it. Who do you want the Vikings braintrust to bring in. I imagine I'll be seeing a lot of WR's targeted, but I'm gonna go in a different direction:
Jon Beason, MLB
Matt Moore, QB
I would think this would be decent. D.J. Moore, CB is also a possibility. Then, look at either a top DT or WR in round 1.
Round 1 [23]--
Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
Cordarelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
I'd prefer the DT. Hard to get a pass rushing 3 tech DT rd 2. Plenty of great wr's get taken rd 2.
Beason is always hurt but a good Carolina MLB,they now start Kuluchy (sp)
Moore???I wouldn't mind drafting a Qb,must be a gem in there somewhere.Alex Smith might work but he'll want to start,KC and Jax are the other top spots,there are other teams but not as needy as the 3 mentioned.Ari could mahe it a 4 team.
I'm still speculating on the draft but DT at #1 unless someone falls and is to tempting to pass up.

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Jan 14, 2013
 
Purple Faithful wrote:
Well, let's hear it. Who do you want the Vikings braintrust to bring in. I imagine I'll be seeing a lot of WR's targeted, but I'm gonna go in a different direction:
Jon Beason, MLB
Matt Moore, QB
I would think this would be decent. D.J. Moore, CB is also a possibility. Then, look at either a top DT or WR in round 1.
Round 1 [23]--
Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
Cordarelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
I'd prefer the DT. Hard to get a pass rushing 3 tech DT rd 2. Plenty of great wr's get taken rd 2.
Something of note, 49ers have 3 first round draft picks on their offensive line. Three
Still thinking Kalil was a mistake?

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Jan 14, 2013
 
The Vikings HAVE to make a move to upgrade their passing game to compliment AD. I believe our strength is still D line, but KWill is a big part of that strength and he's hitting the twilight years. A lot depends on Percy, and whether or not they have to deal him. AD, Percy, and another top flight receiver would help immensely. LB, Corner, and Safety could all be addressed in the draft.
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Jan 14, 2013
 
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The Vikings HAVE to make a move to upgrade their passing game to compliment AD. I believe our strength is still D line, but KWill is a big part of that strength and he's hitting the twilight years. A lot depends on Percy, and whether or not they have to deal him. AD, Percy, and another top flight receiver would help immensely. LB, Corner, and Safety could all be addressed in the draft.
Essentially we need help at all positions except RB, TE and DE. This draft is deep in DT's and CB but not much else. Some good WR's but no Calvin Johnson. DT and WR are the two obvious areas to be addressed but I completely agree we need an immediate upgrade to the LB corps. In order of priority I think it is as follows: WR, DT, LB, OL, QB and DB. Fusco and Johnson are average at best but they did help AD nearly break the record. Pass protection for them is a problem and it needs to be addressed.
If this was a stronger draft class I would trade Harvin for at least a second but I don't see any draftee out of the second round helping us as much as he can for at least one more year. However if someone is foolish enough to give us a first for him, I would do that trade in a heartbeat.

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Jan 14, 2013
 
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Something of note, 49ers have 3 first round draft picks on their offensive line. Three
Still thinking Kalil was a mistake?
Yes, Kalil was a mistake, imo. he gave up 5.5 sacks with a last place schedule, got owned by clay mathews. CJ gave up 7 sacks, i believe, last year. so, we have an average left tackle at this time in return for a top 5 pick. The guy i wanted, Fletcher Cox, was hurt part of the year, but finished as the 4th or 5th rated DT in all of football last year against the run & had 6 sacks, too. Again, in limited action and not even starting at the beginning of the year. You'll find in San Francisco that the keys to their success have much more to do with Justin Smith, DT, than they do with Joe Staley (1st round, pick 28).

See, good teams spend lower picks on offensive linemen, not top 5 picks. Lower first round picks are a lot different than top 5 or even top 10 picks. Heck, Iupati was pick 17, and Anthony Davis was pick 11, or about, total of the 3, what the vikings spent on Kalil in trade value chart. Kalil is not a dominant left tackle, at least not yet, and dominant left tackles are not game changers. It's been a while since a dominant left tackle was the winner of a super bowl. Dominant defensive tackles? very often. Fletcher Cox is a better player than Kalil right now & the difference will likely grow.

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Jan 14, 2013
 
old time viking fan wrote:
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Essentially we need help at all positions except RB, TE and DE. This draft is deep in DT's and CB but not much else. Some good WR's but no Calvin Johnson. DT and WR are the two obvious areas to be addressed but I completely agree we need an immediate upgrade to the LB corps. In order of priority I think it is as follows: WR, DT, LB, OL, QB and DB. Fusco and Johnson are average at best but they did help AD nearly break the record. Pass protection for them is a problem and it needs to be addressed.
If this was a stronger draft class I would trade Harvin for at least a second but I don't see any draftee out of the second round helping us as much as he can for at least one more year. However if someone is foolish enough to give us a first for him, I would do that trade in a heartbeat.
Draft is really deep in DE, DT, OG, LB. No elite WR's, but a bunch worthy of a round 2 pick. Good OT depth. I think we should let Fusco ride another year.- remember how terrible Sullivan was. Offensive lines are developed, not drafted, imo. Sullivan, 6th round pick, is now the best center in football according to most observers I've heard.

Kenny Vaccaro, s is possible. Alec Ogletree, MLB is possible. Keenana Allen, WR might still be on the board. I don't see sheldon richardson lasting this far, but he'd probably be a no-brainer. Sylvester Williams, DT or Kwanee Short, DT might also be who the vikes target. I haven't watched any tape yet, so not sure who i like at DT yet. A penetrating DT makes your corners look a lot better ,imo.

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Jan 14, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Beason is always hurt but a good Carolina MLB,they now start Kuluchy (sp)
Moore???I wouldn't mind drafting a Qb,must be a gem in there somewhere.Alex Smith might work but he'll want to start,KC and Jax are the other top spots,there are other teams but not as needy as the 3 mentioned.Ari could mahe it a 4 team.
I'm still speculating on the draft but DT at #1 unless someone falls and is to tempting to pass up.
Yeah, Beason is hurt is why he'll be available with the Luke Kueluchy selection. Beason is young, so he still has time, and with a beast of a DT in front of him, Beason will be protected more, imo. I don't see alex smith - I think he'll be too expensive and a threat to start over Ponder in fans minds, so i don't see spielman creating a qb controversy.

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Jan 15, 2013
 
WR is really the only positions with top talent. Mike Wallace, Greg Jennings, Dwayne Bowe and Danny Amendola will all get lots of attention. Wes Welker is a free agent but I don't think NE will let him go. They'll work out a long term deal with him soon.

The others all have attributes missing in Vikings current sub-par WR corps.

Wallace - burner and legit deep threat. Developed dropsies this year. New contract may give new focus.
Greg Jennings - One of the best precision route runners in the game. Too bad we don't have a QB that can take advantage of that for back shoulder throws.
Dwayne Bowe - Big end zone threat. Can out muscle CBs and fight to bring down the ball.
Danny Amendola - One of the better slot guys in the game. If Percy is traded he'd be good backfill. Amendola and Jarius Wright would fill the depth chart at slot.

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Jan 15, 2013
 
Purple Faithful wrote:
Well, let's hear it. Who do you want the Vikings braintrust to bring in. I imagine I'll be seeing a lot of WR's targeted, but I'm gonna go in a different direction:
Jon Beason, MLB
Matt Moore, QB
I would think this would be decent. D.J. Moore, CB is also a possibility. Then, look at either a top DT or WR in round 1.
Round 1 [23]--
Kawann Short, DT, Purdue
Cordarelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee
I'd prefer the DT. Hard to get a pass rushing 3 tech DT rd 2. Plenty of great wr's get taken rd 2.
You started this thread with a focus on free agents but the first name you threw out is someone under contract. Beason is in year 3 of a 5 year deal. Plus not Carolina intends to bring him back and put him on the weak side and leave Kueckly in the middle.

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Jan 15, 2013
 
Free agent links:

http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.htm...
Good breakdown of top 5-6 at each position.

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/
Complete filterable list of every FA in entire NFL. Updated frequently as players sign to show who went where and who is still available.
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<quoted text>Draft is really deep in DE, DT, OG, LB. No elite WR's, but a bunch worthy of a round 2 pick. Good OT depth. I think we should let Fusco ride another year.- remember how terrible Sullivan was. Offensive lines are developed, not drafted, imo. Sullivan, 6th round pick, is now the best center in football according to most observers I've heard.
Kenny Vaccaro, s is possible. Alec Ogletree, MLB is possible. Keenana Allen, WR might still be on the board. I don't see sheldon richardson lasting this far, but he'd probably be a no-brainer. Sylvester Williams, DT or Kwanee Short, DT might also be who the vikes target. I haven't watched any tape yet, so not sure who i like at DT yet. A penetrating DT makes your corners look a lot better ,imo.
I've watched a few tapes of some of the top DT's and only Sylvester Williams and Richardson are worth a look at 23. They get off the ball faster than any of the other DT's except Star L. Short isn't bad but Williams is faster off the snap and more aggressive. Reportedly, he has some problems staying motivated every game but the tape I saw didn't show that problem. Richardson is fast but not as much of a run stopper as Williams.

Have you watched any tape of Coradrelle Patterson? WOW!He can do it all. Not a polished WR but he would immediately upgrade KR and give him the ball in space and he can take it to the house on any possession. As athletic as Calvin Johnson but probably not as fast by a hair. A gamble for sure but am immense upside. If we want a pure WR with size and moves then Hunter from Tennessee is a good pick. Not really sold on Keenan Allen. He's good but I don't think he can make as much of a difference in our offence as either Hunter or Patterson.
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Jan 15, 2013
 
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I've watched a few tapes of some of the top DT's and only Sylvester Williams and Richardson are worth a look at 23. They get off the ball faster than any of the other DT's except Star L. Short isn't bad but Williams is faster off the snap and more aggressive. Reportedly, he has some problems staying motivated every game but the tape I saw didn't show that problem. Richardson is fast but not as much of a run stopper as Williams.
Have you watched any tape of Coradrelle Patterson? WOW!He can do it all. Not a polished WR but he would immediately upgrade KR and give him the ball in space and he can take it to the house on any possession. As athletic as Calvin Johnson but probably not as fast by a hair. A gamble for sure but am immense upside. If we want a pure WR with size and moves then Hunter from Tennessee is a good pick. Not really sold on Keenan Allen. He's good but I don't think he can make as much of a difference in our offence as either Hunter or Patterson.
OV, not sure about Justin Hunter. I was reading his profile on a CBS sports site, and while reading his supposed weakness list, one person came to mind...Troy Williamson! Of course these "analysts" are by no means the gospel on talent, but yes I have seen film on Patterson. The guy looks elusive as hell after the catch and has nice size at 6'3" and 205lbs. His rap from the "experts" was that his route running needs coachingg/polishing up for the NFL level. I had already posted thst earlier. I think I would rather see him drafted over Hunter.

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Doesn't it seem like every WR profile says something about them not being polished route runners. Screw that. I don't want polish, I want a receiver who knows how to get open. Route running comes with experience but sometimes getting open is purely instinct. Some guys have it some don't. I'm talking to you Jerome Simpson.

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Both free agency and the draft are very thin at elite talent. Vikes would be better off looking to build a bigger core of solid players and get rid of the sub-par talent. Might even be worth it to trade down from 23 to get more 2nd or 3rd round picks.
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Jan 16, 2013
 
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<quoted text>OV, not sure about Justin Hunter. I was reading his profile on a CBS sports site, and while reading his supposed weakness list, one person came to mind...Troy Williamson! Of course these "analysts" are by no means the gospel on talent, but yes I have seen film on Patterson. The guy looks elusive as hell after the catch and has nice size at 6'3" and 205lbs. His rap from the "experts" was that his route running needs coachingg/polishing up for the NFL level. I had already posted thst earlier. I think I would rather see him drafted over Hunter.
It seems the more you read the more it clouds the issue. A lot of the articles I initially read were very high on Hunter. Now as we get closer to the draft people are coming out of the woodwork to bash him. He had a knee injury in 2011 and might not be fully recovered. I watched more "tape" of him and noticed a lot of the time he was facing zone coverage and had a lot of room at the line to make his move. Supposedly he drops some contested balls. We will have to wait for the combine to see how he times and performs in the drills. For the record I agree Patterson is more dynamic and could make an immediate impact in the PR and KR game; but that's not an area of immediate need. I still think they will go DT in the first unless someone else ranked higher at OL or LB falls into their lap. It also wouldn't surprise me to see them move back for more draft picks if there is no one at 23 that they think can immediately upgrade a position of need.

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old time viking fan wrote:
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I've watched a few tapes of some of the top DT's and only Sylvester Williams and Richardson are worth a look at 23. They get off the ball faster than any of the other DT's except Star L. Short isn't bad but Williams is faster off the snap and more aggressive. Reportedly, he has some problems staying motivated every game but the tape I saw didn't show that problem. Richardson is fast but not as much of a run stopper as Williams.
Have you watched any tape of Coradrelle Patterson? WOW!He can do it all. Not a polished WR but he would immediately upgrade KR and give him the ball in space and he can take it to the house on any possession. As athletic as Calvin Johnson but probably not as fast by a hair. A gamble for sure but am immense upside. If we want a pure WR with size and moves then Hunter from Tennessee is a good pick. Not really sold on Keenan Allen. He's good but I don't think he can make as much of a difference in our offence as either Hunter or Patterson.
Yeah, Coradrelle Patterson is the WR I've been thinking about. I think he's worth pick 23 easy and a potential #1 game breaker. Not sure he'll be there by the time the draft rolls around.

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Both free agency and the draft are very thin at elite talent. Vikes would be better off looking to build a bigger core of solid players and get rid of the sub-par talent. Might even be worth it to trade down from 23 to get more 2nd or 3rd round picks.
Later rounds are not usually elite talents. We need more elites, not more bodies.

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PF, name elite talent this year. 2013 is shaping up to be one of the weakest draft classes.

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We will have to wait for the first wave of free agents to sign than we get the leftovers as usual.

Until we have a QB that's not injury prone or who is good that is way it's going to be.

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