Mike Tomlin shows he was the Steelers' right man all along

[Fran the Man]

Jopa-n wrote:

<quoted text>The Minnesota court system is attempting to bypass the rules against illegal substance use in the NFL and your talking about somebody else? I know, it was an accident, or was it an innocent mistake, no maybe it was unfortunate an ill informed players. Yea, that's the ticket. Everbody else is dirty but not the Minnesota players. That's cause the court judges are shooting up right along with them.

wah-wah-wah

[Jopa-n]

Fran the Man wrote:

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wah-wah-wah

You've been crying like that for quite some time now. Maybe those tears will dry up if your team actually wins a lombardi trophy some day.

[Rex J Steelman]

Fran the Man wrote:

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wah-wah-wah

No, you don't get to play that card. It's Vikes fans that are on here crying about steroids. Jopa's just pointing out the hypocrisy.

[Fran the Man]

I wonder how many battered wives and buggered dogs today in Green bay?(Not to mention stabbings.)
Man! What a glorious win, eh?

[Bob Roberts]

Purple Faithful wrote:

<quoted text>1 in 5 dead players (NFL) are steelers. I posted the links.

i only take you at what you post. you said steel curtain ding dong. do you even pay attention to the game? do you realize what the steel curtain referred to? didn't think so. big hint front 4 middle 3...lol! fool.

[Bob Roberts]

Fran the Man wrote:

I wonder how many battered wives and buggered dogs today in Green bay?(Not to mention stabbings.)
Man! What a glorious win, eh?

it was an awesome victory against the cheese heads. I watched the game. it seemed like the vikes might have lost something in the 3rd quarter but they came storming back. gotta love the set of heuvoes childress grew. going for it on 4th and goal twice!

[Rex J Steelman]

Bob Roberts wrote:

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it was an awesome victory against the cheese heads. I watched the game. it seemed like the vikes might have lost something in the 3rd quarter but they came storming back. gotta love the set of heuvoes childress grew. going for it on 4th and goal twice!

I had to root for the Rogers, considering the crappy way Favre has treated him the for the last few years. I have to say, though, as much as Favre has behaved like an arrogant, childish prick during that time, being on a football field again with a winning team seems to have given him some of his dignity back. When you see him on the sidelines with the guys, he seems more like the old Brett and much less like the diva worrying about his "legacy." It's a welcome change, and it has me half-rooting for the old guy most of the time.

[Purple Faithful]

Jopa-n wrote:

<quoted text>The Minnesota court system is attempting to bypass the rules against illegal substance use in the NFL and your talking about somebody else? I know, it was an accident, or was it an innocent mistake, no maybe it was unfortunate an ill informed players. Yea, that's the ticket. Everbody else is dirty but not the Minnesota players. That's cause the court judges are shooting up right along with them.

NFL likes to circumvent anti trust laws by claiming the teams are individual entities & then they want to claim for employer purposes, it's one entity that federal laws handle & the laws of minnesota or any other stated should not apply. The NFL is not above the law, they just think they are.

[Jopa-n]

Purple Faithful wrote:

<quoted text>NFL likes to circumvent anti trust laws by claiming the teams are individual entities & then they want to claim for employer purposes, it's one entity that federal laws handle & the laws of minnesota or any other stated should not apply. The NFL is not above the law, they just think they are.

How does outwardly declaring drug enhanced performance illegal and simply expecting all players to compete on the same level sound like being above the law. Every player is told what they can and can't do, equal to all. It's like saying your employer can't demand a drug free work place because it violates your rights to break the law. It's his workplace and if you don't like it, you don't have to work for him. Just like if an athlete feels he's needs to use illegal drug enhancers, find a sport that will allow him to use them. You have no case here. The only reason the Minnesota courts are doing this is because they don't care if the players cheat, as long as they play in Minnesota and it gives their team a chance to win. It's disgusting to promote illegal drug use through the courts.

[Purple Faithful]

Jopa-n wrote:

<quoted text>How does outwardly declaring drug enhanced performance illegal and simply expecting all players to compete on the same level sound like being above the law. Every player is told what they can and can't do, equal to all. It's like saying your employer can't demand a drug free work place because it violates your rights to break the law. It's his workplace and if you don't like it, you don't have to work for him. Just like if an athlete feels he's needs to use illegal drug enhancers, find a sport that will allow him to use them. You have no case here. The only reason the Minnesota courts are doing this is because they don't care if the players cheat, as long as they play in Minnesota and it gives their team a chance to win. It's disgusting to promote illegal drug use through the courts.

Illegal? if you have no clue what you are talking about, either research it or be quiet. the only illegal is the NFL ignoring minnesota employment law. The federal courts upheld the minnesota court. basically, you're saying the law of the land doesn't apply. only the NFL can determine the law. Silly arguement.

[Jopa-n]

Purple Faithful wrote:

<quoted text>Illegal? if you have no clue what you are talking about, either research it or be quiet. the only illegal is the NFL ignoring minnesota employment law. The federal courts upheld the minnesota court. basically, you're saying the law of the land doesn't apply. only the NFL can determine the law. Silly arguement.

How can state employment laws take precedence over a company or institution that operates on a national level? Each team in the NFL is not a private company. The Players have a formal agreement and contract with the National Football League. Not with the Minnesota Vikings, not with any entity in Minnesota. They were not forced to sign the contract, nor should they be able to declare the contact void in certain states. By what your saying, Players who play in Minnesota should not be able to participate in the National Football League. Then, and only then, can any state law argument be made. You can not pick and choose what parts of the contract you will adhere too and which you won't, and still have a valid contract. If certain players do not have to follow the contract because of what state they play in, then the NFL does not, or atleast should not, have to operate under the rules of the contract with those players.

[Jesse Ventura]

Buuuuuuuuuurrrrrrpppp!

This all does not matter. The Vikes will not be in the Super Bowl anyway. It's a Minnesota state law I left behind.

[Purple Faithful]

Jopa-n wrote:

<quoted text>How can state employment laws take precedence over a company or institution that operates on a national level? Each team in the NFL is not a private company. The Players have a formal agreement and contract with the National Football League. Not with the Minnesota Vikings, not with any entity in Minnesota. They were not forced to sign the contract, nor should they be able to declare the contact void in certain states. By what your saying, Players who play in Minnesota should not be able to participate in the National Football League. Then, and only then, can any state law argument be made. You can not pick and choose what parts of the contract you will adhere too and which you won't, and still have a valid contract. If certain players do not have to follow the contract because of what state they play in, then the NFL does not, or atleast should not, have to operate under the rules of the contract with those players.

All employers must follow the laws of the states they operate in. Walmart & target must also follow minnesota law. I'm unclear on how this could be confusing for you. The constitution of the United States says what the federal government may regulate. Find me the football takes precidence over state law clause.

[Jopa-n]

Purple Faithful wrote:

<quoted text>All employers must follow the laws of the states they operate in. Walmart & target must also follow minnesota law. I'm unclear on how this could be confusing for you. The constitution of the United States says what the federal government may regulate. Find me the football takes precidence over state law clause.

Not saying anyone has the right to ignore state laws nor not abide by them. What I am saying is that if, as you indicate, this part of the NFL contract is not valid in the state of Minnesota, then the entire contract is not valid with the players who work in the state, therefore, players who play in Minnesota do not have a contract to perform in the NFL. As crazy as it sounds, imagine if all states make their own laws, so that the players or owners in their states do not have to abide by the NFL contract, whenever it does not benefit them.
The NFL is the business owner here. Not the state of Minnesota. Not even Vikings ownership in reality. When you own a football team, you essentially rent the team from the league. That's why the contract about illegal drug use is made by the players assoc. with the league. If the state of Minnesota feels they should supercede the NFL contact, which is their right, then the NFL needs to go to a state that respects their contract with the players.

[Purple Faithful]

Jopa-n wrote:

<quoted text>Not saying anyone has the right to ignore state laws nor not abide by them. What I am saying is that if, as you indicate, this part of the NFL contract is not valid in the state of Minnesota, then the entire contract is not valid with the players who work in the state, therefore, players who play in Minnesota do not have a contract to perform in the NFL. As crazy as it sounds, imagine if all states make their own laws, so that the players or owners in their states do not have to abide by the NFL contract, whenever it does not benefit them.
The NFL is the business owner here. Not the state of Minnesota. Not even Vikings ownership in reality. When you own a football team, you essentially rent the team from the league. That's why the contract about illegal drug use is made by the players assoc. with the league. If the state of Minnesota feels they should supercede the NFL contact, which is their right, then the NFL needs to go to a state that respects their contract with the players.

Your arguement would mean the lawyer who wrote the contract would be someone who doesn't know how to write a contract including a basic clause. The contract would include language stating if any part of the contract is ruled invalid, it does not invalidate the entire contract.(severability) Again, basically you don't have a clue what you're talking about. The state can not write a law which applies to only NFL players, this would be a violation of the equal protection clause of the constitution. again, you're clueless. As for the vikings deciding to leave or the NFL making them, if these lawyers are so stupid as to be unaware of the laws in the states where they have operated for 50 years, then moving sure isn't going to help them. They are clueless, then. Again, the NFL is not the employer, the vikings are. That's how they claim not to violate federal antitrust laws. If the NFL wished, they could just impliment a policy saying the vikings must forfeit any games the williams wall played in until the matter was resolved in court. That is, the NFL could act like the NCAA's or high school league. But sport is not what the NFL is about, is it? The NFL couldn't care less about moving out of a state for any reason other than bottom line. It's a business, not an olympic or even college sport. If you watch the NFL for reasons other than entertainment (like WWE) then i think you have problems. The "drug" the williams took is a drug that makes you lose water weight - like maybe caffine. Basically, it could be used as a steroid masking agent. Anyway, the NFL's drug policies are a joke. You'd have to be really stupid to fail them (or, in the williams case, have a manufacture lie about contents of pills) if you wanted to use steeler-iods.

[Vikes]

Are an overrated joke. The post season will show it.