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#1 Sep 29, 2013
I know there have been some discussion on replacing coach Frazier after only 4 games into the season. However, I'd like to approach this from a different angle.

1) The QB problem: The QB problem in Minnesota has been a result of the previous coaching organizations policies. Childress brought in a AAA college QB that nobody on planet earth wanted as a even a backup QB. Replaced the starting QB (who had a super-bowl ring) with an unproven college draft choice.

After Jackson failed miserably. He brought in Brett Favre and kept Jackson on the roster. During the time that Favre was with the Vikings. There was no attempt at replacing Jackson with a more competent rookie QB that could possibly be trained. Instead, we stuck with a injury prone loser.

2) The Ego problem: Firing a player that disagrees with coaching decisions isn't new. But on Christmas eve? Childress was heartless on this issue. He wanted everybody in the organization to "respect" each other. But shown little to no respect to some players. Then there was the issue of Moss. Gave away draft picks, for a player that he would fire a short time later. This is ludicrous.

3) The Practice problem: Wearing a wig to practice. What respectable football player is going to want to have a coach in control of his career that wears a cheap wig to practice. During the Childress organizations control of the Vikings these policies would run off even the most desperate players from signing with the team.

As you can clearly see. Frazier is not to blame for any of the mis-fortune that the Vikings organization is experiencing. Its all the previous coaching organizations fault. There are those that thought Childress would be the "greatest" Vikings coach of all time. That he would leave an unending mark on the Vikings history. Obviously he isn't the greatest Vikings coach of all time. But he has apparently left a mark on the Vikings future.

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#2 Sep 29, 2013
Frazier will take the blame the QB and the coach always do.As we saw today have a compedent QB we win. To get where we want to go we don't have the QB to carry us. There are 4 starting QB in the draft 2014 we need one of the 4.

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#3 Sep 29, 2013
QB, QB, QB .... Who Cares. This discussion is about the inept coaching of Brad Childress.

I for one am tired of all the Frazier haters out there blaming him for the Vikings losses. Its all Childress' fault. Frazier inherited the worst possible situation that he could possibly be put in.
Childress left Frazier without a quality QB.
Childress left Frazier without a quality Defense.
Childress left Frazier without an Offensive Line.

Frazier was left to clean up the worst possible mess since Les Steckle coached the Vikings.
Frazier has done no wrong. It's all Brad Childress' fault. Yet I know there are some of you out there that still think Brad Childress is the greatest Vikings coach of all time. What is it going to take to wake you people up!

The Vikings need to "stay the course." Don't abandon ship yet. Give Frazier the time and money he needs to complete the mission.

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#4 Sep 29, 2013
Avant wrote:
Frazier will take the blame the QB and the coach always do.As we saw today have a compedent QB we win. To get where we want to go we don't have the QB to carry us. There are 4 starting QB in the draft 2014 we need one of the 4.
Yeah but...

YOU said we had a ten year pro bowler in Jackson so...you end up as retarded as coach Childress was.

We almost lost today because of the defense. The Ponder led offense scored enough to win each game. Cassel was better but if you give up the points we have been, you lose.

Of course we need to draft a QB but we better upgrade the DB's and LB's also or it won't matter. We put great pressure on Roethlisberger but he was still able to expose the middle of the field.
viking nation

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#5 Sep 29, 2013
Wanting to keep Leslie Frazier Come on...You can't think the Vikes secondary played good today. If your going to knock Chlidress then you got to remember that Frazier worked with Chlidress . It was in Philadelphia that Chlidress got to know Frazier, Chlidress was a assistant at that time.( Chlidress had to do with the hiring of Frazier for the Vikings ). With the Vikings Frazier from 2010 to 2012 has won a total of 16 games and has lost 22 games. Frazier has lost more then he has won. His winning percentage is .421 under .500 The Vikings defensive secondary has never been in the top 10 & that is including his time as the Vikes defensive coach. Frazier was Chlidress guy & the only reason he was made head coach was there was no one to turn to once Chlidress was fired midseason. Frazier winning record speaks for it's self "It Sucks" Frazier refusal to bring in a QB & insisting to keep Joe Webb as the Vikes second QB is the reason the Vikes lost in the playoffs to Green Bay last season. Bad coaching decisions.. Frazier record of 16-22 is the worst of any of the Vikings coaches. The Vikings beat a Steeler team that isn't any good, their the worst in the NFL The Steelers Defense sucks & has No take aways this year. With this win today Frazier has 17 wins & 22 loses. This team is in total melt down because of Frazier letting his assistants take control of the play calling. He is a weak head coach & his winning record proves it.
viking nation

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#6 Sep 29, 2013
Last season was Frazier best year with 10 of his 17 wins in three years. I don't know what you all think but to me these numbers are not good. Frazier insisting to play this cover 2 kind of defense is just one more of his bad coaching decisions. last season the secondary was no better & same goes for the year before that & before that. What will it take to change this. Year after year the Vikes secondary has been near last in the NFL. anytime a team throws deep the Vikes lose the match-up with this cover two defense. Under Frazier as the head coach & defensive coach this defense has did good in some areas & has been next to last in others. This has always been Frazier problem with each team he has coached for & this is why each of them teams let Frazier go. Frazier has a total of 17 wins and 25 loses now with this year. I don't call this good coaching.

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#7 Sep 30, 2013
Magnum Man II wrote:
QB, QB, QB .... Who Cares. This discussion is about the inept coaching of Brad Childress.
I for one am tired of all the Frazier haters out there blaming him for the Vikings losses. Its all Childress' fault. Frazier inherited the worst possible situation that he could possibly be put in.
Childress left Frazier without a quality QB.
Childress left Frazier without a quality Defense.
Childress left Frazier without an Offensive Line.
Frazier was left to clean up the worst possible mess since Les Steckle coached the Vikings.
Frazier has done no wrong. It's all Brad Childress' fault. Yet I know there are some of you out there that still think Brad Childress is the greatest Vikings coach of all time. What is it going to take to wake you people up!
The Vikings need to "stay the course." Don't abandon ship yet. Give Frazier the time and money he needs to complete the mission.
You don't understand the rule. Coach Draft a QB his future is tied to him. NO EXCUSES!! How anybody thought that injury prone weakling was a franchise QB they need to be fired.

Frazier has done no wrong?? Not only was Ponder a waste Gerhart was worse. The team is getting worse. That doesn't bode well for the guy you perceive is doing well.

Funny how you say don't abandon ship yet then criticizes childress who presided over the love boat. Just doesn't sound right.

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#8 Sep 30, 2013
Gonzo wrote:
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Yeah but...
YOU said we had a ten year pro bowler in Jackson so...you end up as retarded as coach Childress was.
We almost lost today because of the defense. The Ponder led offense scored enough to win each game. Cassel was better but if you give up the points we have been, you lose.
Of course we need to draft a QB but we better upgrade the DB's and LB's also or it won't matter. We put great pressure on Roethlisberger but he was still able to expose the middle of the field.
We have a QB I said was a bum from day 1 finally everybody agrees with me PONDER MUST GO all you and my naysayers can talk about is Jackson 5 YEARS AGO!! I WIN!! AS USUAL!
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#9 Sep 30, 2013
I like Frazier... But that's compared to Brad Childress.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#10 Sep 30, 2013
Avant wrote:
<quoted text>We have a QB I said was a bum from day 1 finally everybody agrees with me PONDER MUST GO all you and my naysayers can talk about is Jackson 5 YEARS AGO!! I WIN!! AS USUAL!
I will admit I had high hopes for Ponder this year But after throwing 5 INTs & two fumbles in three games I was saying looks like Avant was right & you are right the Vikes did play better with Cassel. Did you hear what Frazier said He was saying Cassel is the Vikes backup, That he did the job they hired him for. That Ponder is still our starter. That Ponder isn't going to lose his job because of a injury. That it wasn't the Vikings way of doing things. Looks like one more bad coaching decision to add to his long list of bad decisions. This is what Frazier said after the Steelers game...Coach Leslie Frazier said Sunday, "If you're asking, our quarterback is Christian Ponder

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#11 Sep 30, 2013
Magnum Man II wrote:
QB, QB, QB .... Who Cares. This discussion is about the inept coaching of Brad Childress.
I for one am tired of all the Frazier haters out there blaming him for the Vikings losses. Its all Childress' fault. Frazier inherited the worst possible situation that he could possibly be put in.
Childress left Frazier without a quality QB.
Childress left Frazier without a quality Defense.
Childress left Frazier without an Offensive Line.
Frazier was left to clean up the worst possible mess since Les Steckle coached the Vikings.
Frazier has done no wrong. It's all Brad Childress' fault. Yet I know there are some of you out there that still think Brad Childress is the greatest Vikings coach of all time. What is it going to take to wake you people up!
The Vikings need to "stay the course." Don't abandon ship yet. Give Frazier the time and money he needs to complete the mission.
Way too much blame on Childress for Frazier's shortfalls. Childress is his own kind of f' up. Frazier more professional but sitll a F' up.

Frazier part of selecting Ponder and going after washed up McNabb. These QB choices couldn't have been made be Spielmen alone. If Frazier reverts to Ponder and the losing continues then it proves the QB situation is solely on him.

Frazier inherited a D he was in change of. Since then his own D let Winfield go, decimated it's LB ranks didn't do much to beef up thin secondary that had weak back ups to begin with (AJ Jefferson!!!). The decline of a D when the HD is a former DC speaks volumes for his short comings.

O line he inherited was better than what he has now. Sullivan and Loadholt are leftovers (one good one average). McCheese was let go and Kalil drafted was an upgrade but it is the guards that are the weak spot. Frazier let Herrera go and went with Fusco and moved Charlie Johnson from tackle to guard. Both are sub-par and both moves are on Frazier not Childress.

Then there is the D scheme and 2nd half collapses. His failure to adjust the D or to step in and take over D play calling from Williams is all on him. No Childress to blame here. When a hot former OC has a team that can't score or when a former DC has a D that can't stop scores there is a problem. I see Frazier making the same kind of personnel decisions, the same in game decisions, the same game plan decisions and the same player selection decisions as Childress. He's not a d!ckwad when he makes these decisions like Childo but he is still making poor decisions. Nice guy and good DC but not HC material.
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#12 Sep 30, 2013
Stubby wrote:
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Way too much blame on Childress for Frazier's shortfalls. Childress is his own kind of f' up. Frazier more professional but sitll a F' up.
Frazier part of selecting Ponder and going after washed up McNabb. These QB choices couldn't have been made be Spielmen alone. If Frazier reverts to Ponder and the losing continues then it proves the QB situation is solely on him.
Frazier inherited a D he was in change of. Since then his own D let Winfield go, decimated it's LB ranks didn't do much to beef up thin secondary that had weak back ups to begin with (AJ Jefferson!!!). The decline of a D when the HD is a former DC speaks volumes for his short comings.
O line he inherited was better than what he has now. Sullivan and Loadholt are leftovers (one good one average). McCheese was let go and Kalil drafted was an upgrade but it is the guards that are the weak spot. Frazier let Herrera go and went with Fusco and moved Charlie Johnson from tackle to guard. Both are sub-par and both moves are on Frazier not Childress.
Then there is the D scheme and 2nd half collapses. His failure to adjust the D or to step in and take over D play calling from Williams is all on him. No Childress to blame here. When a hot former OC has a team that can't score or when a former DC has a D that can't stop scores there is a problem. I see Frazier making the same kind of personnel decisions, the same in game decisions, the same game plan decisions and the same player selection decisions as Childress. He's not a d!ckwad when he makes these decisions like Childo but he is still making poor decisions. Nice guy and good DC but not HC material.
We'll said Stubby

Not to mention AD, Jared, Chad, Harrison, KWill, Rudolph...some great players who are being subjected to inept leadership not only at Mark/Ziggy level, but also current coaching staff.

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#13 Sep 30, 2013
Avant wrote:
<quoted text>You don't understand the rule. Coach Draft a QB his future is tied to him. NO EXCUSES!! How anybody thought that injury prone weakling was a franchise QB they need to be fired.
Frazier has done no wrong?? Not only was Ponder a waste Gerhart was worse. The team is getting worse. That doesn't bode well for the guy you perceive is doing well.
Funny how you say don't abandon ship yet then criticizes childress who presided over the love boat. Just doesn't sound right.
If you were not prejudice you'd see that Frazier is a lot better coach than Childress. The owner has spoken and Frazier is the man. Ziggy figured out that Childress was a loser - why can't you?

Thank you for making my point. Childress was the captain of the love boat. The captain should have went down with the ship. Instead, he took the ship down with him. This hasn't been done since Frazier took over. We've had clear sailing.

Besides, who got us the dome we always wanted. Hint, wasn't Childress. It was Frazier. If Childress was still in town, we'd probably be playing at the local high-school parking lot.

You two just don't understand the higher level of thinking that is required to be an NFL coach. Go home, get a book and start reading (or learning to read). Football for dummies should be your first book on the subject. Then come to the "grown men" league and try to keep up with the conversations!

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#14 Sep 30, 2013
Avant wrote:
<quoted text>We have a QB I said was a bum from day 1 finally everybody agrees with me PONDER MUST GO all you and my naysayers can talk about is Jackson 5 YEARS AGO!! I WIN!! AS USUAL!
Jackson - your still talking about Jackson. Man get up to date. Jackson is the backup janitor at Seattle. He only uses his uniform to clean the pine up for the starters to have a place to sit down.

If Jackson was half as good as you thought he was, he would still be our QB. But he is not. He is a janitor!

What a old subject.

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#15 Sep 30, 2013
viking nation wrote:
Wanting to keep Leslie Frazier Come on...You can't think the Vikes secondary played good today. If your going to knock Chlidress then you got to remember that Frazier worked with Chlidress . It was in Philadelphia that Chlidress got to know Frazier, Chlidress was a assistant at that time.( Chlidress had to do with the hiring of Frazier for the Vikings ). With the Vikings Frazier from 2010 to 2012 has won a total of 16 games and has lost 22 games. Frazier has lost more then he has won. His winning percentage is .421 under .500 The Vikings defensive secondary has never been in the top 10 & that is including his time as the Vikes defensive coach. Frazier was Chlidress guy & the only reason he was made head coach was there was no one to turn to once Chlidress was fired midseason. Frazier winning record speaks for it's self "It Sucks" Frazier refusal to bring in a QB & insisting to keep Joe Webb as the Vikes second QB is the reason the Vikes lost in the playoffs to Green Bay last season. Bad coaching decisions.. Frazier record of 16-22 is the worst of any of the Vikings coaches. The Vikings beat a Steeler team that isn't any good, their the worst in the NFL The Steelers Defense sucks & has No take aways this year. With this win today Frazier has 17 wins & 22 loses. This team is in total melt down because of Frazier letting his assistants take control of the play calling. He is a weak head coach & his winning record proves it.
your just being prejudice.......
elyite

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#16 Sep 30, 2013
It is rumored that Ziggy has many connections on the East Coast and knows people who know people. If this is true, maybe he will shock the world and bring in Bill Cowher or John Gruden for the 2014 season. Is there any chance Ziggy is smarter than he is being given credit for? For example: Frazier is playing out the last year of his contract, with the Wilfs refusing to even talk about an extension until the end of the season. Any coach coming off a 3-13 year that goes 10-6 the next year would certainly get a contract extension before the start of the season? NOPE!! I think Ziggy learned from his mistakes with Childress & Frazier and hopefully he will give us our 1st established Head Coach. My Preference would be Cowher all the way! Instant credibility on Defense, and smash mouth, run first,offensive scheme. GO VIKES!
viking nation

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#17 Oct 1, 2013
Magnum Man II wrote:
<quoted text>your just being prejudice.......
I have never been prejudice To any race, sex or religion .If that's what your saying. Chlidress did the hiring of Frazier & like many of his decisions Frazier was a bad one. I just don't think Frazier is a good coach. 17 wins and 25 loses to date. He has made many bad coaching decisions. His refusal to fix a secondary that's been bad for many years. His decision to keep Webb, To merit wasting a roster spot on a player who isn't good enough to play. Frazier isn't a leader, He lets his coaches dictate the game plan & he will not make any adjustments if the game plan isn't working. Frazier will let the team lose because he wont make a midgame adjustment. Frazier isn't involved with his staff like a good coach should be. Frazier lets his player slide, Not holding them accountable for their bad play, like Ponder & the offensive line & on defensive side of the ball it's the same. If Frazier doesn't like making big decisions then he shouldn't sit in the big chair!"

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#18 Oct 1, 2013
viking nation wrote:
<quoted text> I have never been prejudice To any race, sex or religion .If that's what your saying. Chlidress did the hiring of Frazier & like many of his decisions Frazier was a bad one. I just don't think Frazier is a good coach. 17 wins and 25 loses to date. He has made many bad coaching decisions. His refusal to fix a secondary that's been bad for many years. His decision to keep Webb, To merit wasting a roster spot on a player who isn't good enough to play. Frazier isn't a leader, He lets his coaches dictate the game plan & he will not make any adjustments if the game plan isn't working. Frazier will let the team lose because he wont make a midgame adjustment. Frazier isn't involved with his staff like a good coach should be. Frazier lets his player slide, Not holding them accountable for their bad play, like Ponder & the offensive line & on defensive side of the ball it's the same. If Frazier doesn't like making big decisions then he shouldn't sit in the big chair!"
OH cut the bull hockey....your prejudice is showing like a fire in the night. Stop the hate talk, stop your prejudice and learn football.

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#19 Oct 1, 2013
Stubby wrote:
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Way too much blame on Childress for Frazier's shortfalls. Childress is his own kind of f' up. Frazier more professional but sitll a F' up.
Frazier part of selecting Ponder and going after washed up McNabb. These QB choices couldn't have been made be Spielmen alone. If Frazier reverts to Ponder and the losing continues then it proves the QB situation is solely on him.
Frazier inherited a D he was in change of. Since then his own D let Winfield go, decimated it's LB ranks didn't do much to beef up thin secondary that had weak back ups to begin with (AJ Jefferson!!!). The decline of a D when the HD is a former DC speaks volumes for his short comings.
O line he inherited was better than what he has now. Sullivan and Loadholt are leftovers (one good one average). McCheese was let go and Kalil drafted was an upgrade but it is the guards that are the weak spot. Frazier let Herrera go and went with Fusco and moved Charlie Johnson from tackle to guard. Both are sub-par and both moves are on Frazier not Childress.
Then there is the D scheme and 2nd half collapses. His failure to adjust the D or to step in and take over D play calling from Williams is all on him. No Childress to blame here. When a hot former OC has a team that can't score or when a former DC has a D that can't stop scores there is a problem. I see Frazier making the same kind of personnel decisions, the same in game decisions, the same game plan decisions and the same player selection decisions as Childress. He's not a d!ckwad when he makes these decisions like Childo but he is still making poor decisions. Nice guy and good DC but not HC material.
Now Stubby, you can't give these Packer Backer Politicians that are in the Minnesota Vikings forum a break. Why they'll be giving the Packers Peterson if they had their way.

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#21 Oct 1, 2013
Remember last season??????????Vikes were 10-6, THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE EVEN CLOSE TO THAT..........lost a couple very close heartbreaking games on the ROAD THIS SEASON against good division rivals..........injuries in the secondary and inept MLB play have us at 1-3..........I think this thread is a bit to critical..........JMO......... I'm fine with coach at this point

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