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“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#1 Feb 18, 2013
The Vikings pulled the trigger and took the safety I coveted in the last draft (same as many of us not named JD, I am sure) and the guy has been a beast. The Vikings could try to draft another safety I think can play named Kenny Vaccaro. Big hitter, great in coverage, can play man to man, ball-hawk skills. It might be out of the box for what a lot of you may be thinking, but our secondary would then be set for a decade with that core, potentially. Not sure where he might be selected, but I think he's worth considering heavily.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#2 Feb 18, 2013
I like the thought of having the secondary set for a decade & Vaccaro is the best safety I think in the draft. he also will be a later first round pick so if the Vikes can trade back into the first round like they did last year. I think Vaccaro would be a great pick.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#3 Feb 19, 2013
social misfit alert,post 2

“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#4 Feb 19, 2013
Vaccaro will be first safety off the board and gone long before Vikings pick. Plus because Harrison Smith has been so solid a jobber like Sanford is adequate for this year while other greater needs are filled. However DB depth is needed whether QB or S. If they address a position of need in FA or via a trade a mid rounder could go for DB depth. One I'm familiar with is DJ Swearinger from South Carolina. He is a tackling machine with good instincts. Also played in a 4-3 D set with zone coverage similar to Tampa-2. Probable round 3rd round pick.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#5 Feb 19, 2013
Yes, Vaccaro will be first safety off, but pretty sure you don't know where he'll go. Having another stud in the secondary - even if it is at safety instead of corner, like you suggested - certainly would be great. In the Tampa 2, safety is, imo, just as important, if not more so, than cb.

Vaccaro is a safety with much better cover skills than Harrison Smith, and so they would complement each other nicely. Look, Ed Reed did pretty well this year, certainly the steelers have a nice safety, and Woodson is essentially a safety at this point.

Stubby, I gotta ask, why do you think it is a good idea to trade up for a corner back who, in the tampa 2, is responsible for coverage up to 15 - maybe 20 yards down field, but not a safety? There is only one decent CB - one worthy of rd 1 selection - multiple safeties. Which is more likely to be "long gone" when the vikings pick? You claim because there are many DT's that means a first rd talent will be available in rd 3.(someone worthy of starting for the vikes I'd call a rd 1 player) So, would not Vaccaro slide because other GM's are almost as brilliant as you?

Teams take the 1st rd talents in rd 1 for the most part is my opinion. They may not all grade them the same because of "system fit" and mistakes, though.

Safety is more important with the way the vikings play defense than corner is my opinion. Tampa 2 allows second tier cornerbacks, just need safeties that take advantage more. we got 1. Sanford is not good - our 3rd corner is better than sanford. Who is on the field more? 3rd corner or starting safety?

Just an alternate viewpoint.

“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#6 Feb 20, 2013
They won't trade up for Vacarro because of where safety fits in the rack and stack of team needs. It just isn't high enough like it was last year. DT and WR out weigh S this year so no move will be made on Vacarro. If he slipped to 23 then Vikings would weigh him based on best player available. Couldn't say they'd select him. I don't see him getting to 23 anyhow, as Titans, Panthers and Steelers all have high priority needs at safety.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#7 Feb 20, 2013
I think Minn will select from,DE,DT,CB,LB and not in this order.Depending on who's at 23 and who they see as the best impact player.I don't think they'll go S or Wr.
If Harvin remains a Viking and Wright is coming along,then I see a later rd drafted receiver.Plus they might just get some FA bargain at the position.Same at S if at all.
IMO
DE's are getting a much higher salary then DT, in fact DT is rated rather low??????????

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#8 Feb 21, 2013
for Stubby-
DT does not outweigh S. At DT, all indications are KWill is staying and they like Christian Ballard. later round DT's take 3 years or so to develop; this is year 3 for Ballard. So, because the purple braintrust seems to not value the position like I do,(i only value extremely talented DT's high enough to go rd 1 - potential game changers, not just starting quality.)

At safety, Vikings have a journeyman starting and a star in the making. Vikings have shown they early and often take safeties (and db's in general) high. Tyrell Johnson and Harrison Smith were both selected by Spielman and were a 2 and 1, respectively. So, Spielman it appears values safety more than DT and we still have a need at S. Also, the draft is deep with safeties. I imagine 6 could go rd 1-2, so Vaccaro could slide as a team might go for a different, less deep need higher in the draft.

As for Childress,
Vikings have selected zero Dlineman in round 1 or 2 during spielman's tenure and it is possibly still a team strength.(i want stronger like you, but I want a ferrari, too) DE is the team's deepest position, with the 3rd DE logging 9 sacks. Unless the Vikes deal Allen, it ain't happening.

As for DT, if the right guy fell, I'd love to see the vikes do it. Just is not gonna happen. Spielman does not draft DT's high in either MN or Miami. You can see what GM's value based on past drafts, imo. DT is far off spielman's radar i think, and they have been developing young DT's who they like.

At CB, Vikes took two last year that are on the roster. So, they have 3-4 young CB's and in this year's draft there are not many CB's worth drafting. One star, two decent CB's. Not sure there is more than one rd 1 corner. Probably the two decent ones will build their stock. You do not need elite talent to play tampa 2 corner, you need proper technique. Josh Robinson is developing just fine. so, no chance it is corner for my money.

LB is the main competitor with safety for my money. Ogletree should be a great fit for us and T'eo would certainly be just fine.(i loved him to come to purple last yr) Vikes have 3 free agent LB's, so based on what happens there, we'll get a better indication. No guarantee either falls, though, and Beason from carolina seems a fit and certain cut. I'd go get him, keep either Erin or Brinkley and see how the draft plays out.

Harvin and Wright are both slot receivers and Harvin is gone either now or later. No shot he stays - you are fooling yourself. The Harvin who beat up a coach in HS is back.

Vikes will take, I think, a WR: Patterson, Allen, Hunter, Hopkins, Williams. Maybe even that order. Offensive line is deep, but spielman likes the guys he has. I only see it if Loadholdt wants too much money.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#9 Feb 21, 2013
I should clarify, Linebacker and safety are the two darkhorses I see as possible for the Vikes to pick instead of reaching for a WR. But I fully expect the team to go WR round 1 (I expect it to be a reach, since i only like Patterson in rd 1) and Harvin to be dealt for a rd 2 pick, maybe another conditional pick. Kinda got to go WR. Free agent players are a crap shoot, especially at WR. Huge system fit concerns. Linebacker is easier to fill with a free agent.

“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#10 Feb 21, 2013
I'll break down needs simpler for you.
S - Smith (gold), Sanford (journeyman but solid) depth thin - need depth either as b/u to these or replace Sanford who moves to b/u
CB - Cook (fragile) Winfield (old), Robinson (growing as 'Toine's replacement)- depth needed
DT - KWill (old), Ballard (potential starter but unproven), Guion/Evns (backups playing as starters)- Need new blood to start now or grow to start next yr as KWill declines
DE - Allen (still crazy), Robison/Griffen (both making plays), Reed (rotational depth)
LB - Greenway (anchor), Henderson (free agent not resigned), Brinkly (FA possible resign but could become a backup to other talent), depth (thin)- Need 2 starters and depth

D priorities: LB, DT, CB, S, DE

Oline - Fusco is turnstile and team doesn't see enough in Schwartz to have him start - need new RG
TE - Rudolph then all others - could use someone else who can catch because Carlson can't, rotate in Ellison more??
WR - Percy, Wright heading into sophomore growth season and Jenkins a reliable #3 plus a bunch of stone hand stone footed guys wearing the jersey - Need starters, need depth need a bunch of help
QB - been beaten up enough, need depth
RB/FB and special teams - gold, no needs

O priorities: WR, QB, RG, TE

“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#11 Feb 21, 2013
With the way I broke it down they have needs at LB, DT, CB, S, WR, QB, RG, TE with my ranking of need as WR, LB x2, DT, QB, RG, CB, S, TE. That's 9 players needed. Even though they have 9 picks we all know most late rounds are special teams fodder or backups. Vikings will have to make move in free agency as well as making smart draft. They can't fill all needs with just the draft.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#12 Feb 21, 2013
again, Stubby, that is not how Spielman sees it.

Safety, correct. need db's.

Corner, correct, sorta. we have young players there you wish to not consider have already been drafted AND that there won't be an upgrade at 23. Jefferson, Burton, Sherels, Blanton are all young and Spielman is very patient letting young players develop. Obviously, some are special teams only for the career, likely. We're not going here round 1, much as I hate Cook.

DE: seriously? you wanna go round 1 to replace the 4th DE? How many D-lineman do you think the team will carry? You know the roster size is 53, right?

RG, sorry dude. Spielman LOVES Fusco. Fusco is GOING to start next year. Scwartz expects to start ELSEWHERE. He is gone.

TE Yeah, Ellison looks to be gold. Carlson should go.

WR, Percy is gone. Spielman isn't ever gonna say "yeah, we are gonna trade Harvin". Spielman did not say we will never trade Percy Harvin. He said Percy is a good player and the Vikes have no plans to trade him. what else is he gonna say? gotta at least try to get some value. If they can't, then Harvin will leave next year for near nothing or get franchised and be a cancer two years in a row. Harvin went at Childress and Frazier (FRAZIER!) Plus, he did actually fight his HS coach.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1536279-is...

Look, I get that the Vikes will not get value back for Harvin, but what do you do? Vikes had to move Moss back in the day, Moss comes to MN again and poisons Harvin. Vikes CAN keep Harvin, but they can't keep him on board the longboat, helping to row the Vikings forward. Harvin is demanding a trade, keeping a low profile to try and help that happen.

You know it's a WR in april, even if the vikes foolishly keep Harvin.

“Zimmer Turner Overdrive”

Since: Jan 07

Minneapolis

#13 Feb 21, 2013
Stubby wrote:
With the way I broke it down they have needs at LB, DT, CB, S, WR, QB, RG, TE with my ranking of need as WR, LB x2, DT, QB, RG, CB, S, TE. That's 9 players needed. Even though they have 9 picks we all know most late rounds are special teams fodder or backups. Vikings will have to make move in free agency as well as making smart draft. They can't fill all needs with just the draft.
ok, you do not have DE listed there. Maybe you are not as crazy as Childress. That looks better. Vikes will not go LB *2, nickle back replaces LB 3 too much. Again, later in the draft, maybe a guy, but that means Erin or Brinkley start and other guy develops. That's a journeyman spot. We disagree on DT - a rd 3/4 DT is one thing, I do not see rd 1. Vikes do not need a TE. Need a utility O-lineman, not a starting RG. Fusco showed more than enough early and late to start next year. QB, again, if you mean a rd 4-7, fine.

Spielman does not see 9 holes to fill. putting another stud at safety, for instance, and getting the corners to play proper tech fixes a ton. You're not gonna have super stars everywhere.

Vikes needs: WR, MLB, S, back up QB, utility o-lineman. rest is speculation on your part that the franchise does not like the guys they already drafted. Lots of positions can be upgraded, but if those positions are upgraded and the corners stay healthy this year, then the team plays well. Cook, Winfield, Robinson are just fine. Not gonna draft rd 1 a dime guy, lol, to replace Jefferson.

“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#14 Feb 22, 2013
Didn't know you were so tight with Spielman and he shared all his GM moves with you. I am sooo impressed.

Love the way you keep forgetting that both Henderson and Brinkley are free agents thus the team has two LB slots to fill. Unless you think Audie Cole is going to start? Which even if he did leaves them short on depth and need to pick up another LB.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#15 Feb 22, 2013
I didn't know that Ogletree has a criminal history.Bummer.Te'O will be a distraction the likes of Tebow.To much weird stuff,and news people are chumping to get him talking.Allen recovering from a knee,and 1 of the top CB's s having shoulder surgery.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#16 Feb 22, 2013
I'm sticking with DE,DT,CB,LB and in no particular order.It's the strength of the 1st rd and I don't think we're drafting an OL person.
Impact is the key,
if a impact player is there,that's the pick.And I mean impact.
Short and simple,no charts,no graphics and NO speeches.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#17 Feb 22, 2013
Matt Elam is a SS.
H.Smith is a FS
so is Vacarro.
Elam would seem to be the pick for you safty guys.
viking nation

Madera, CA

#18 Feb 22, 2013
The vikings have Peterson one of the best RB in the NFL but running the football isn't going to get them to the super bowl. Of the last 12 teams to reach the Super Bowl, only two ranked in the top 10 in rushing. Three Super Bowl teams ranked dead last. I am not saying to throw away the run game when you have someone like peterson. what I am saying is they need a wideout. I do think the vikings will take a WR with there first pick. The vikings defense really isn't that bad, sure Kevin Williams is getting older & people have said they need to fill the hole left by Pat Williams but they dont really, the vikes front four wasn't that bad.. I just dont see them picking a DT with their first pick when the best defensive tackles will be off the board & they can get someone just a good with there second pick. the vikings need to spread-’em out on offense if they want to make it to the super bowl & right now they dont have the receivers to do that. Harvin or Wright didn't fill that hole. I also think Spielman is backing Ponder 100% & the team will only go as far as ponder will take it & without a threat at wideout to throw to - how far can they go?

“Lying scumbags need not apply”

Since: Jan 08

Yorktown, VA

#19 Feb 23, 2013
Troll alert post #18. Liars not welcome.

Since: Dec 06

Davenport, FL

#20 Feb 23, 2013
Ezgump alert post 18

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