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Orton, Grossman both lackluster in preseason loss

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Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#102 Aug 8, 2008
SC Dave wrote:
I must agree with "Rex Is Our Guy" - it is embarrassing to be associated with the bunch of whining, non-supportive malcontents that call themselves Bears fans. Truly pathetic.
Yes, yes it is. We take a guy's head off the instant he shows signs of shakiness, and then bitch about the fact that we can't keep a QB around long enough to see them become a Favre or a Manning.

Do you people remember Favre and Manning's as rookies?

Favre, as a Falcon, in his first game completed 0 passes on 4 attempts, and threw 2 INTs, the first returned for a TD.

Peyton Manning threw 27 INTs as a rookie.

Neither of them developed into the QBs they would become until at least their third year. Favre didn't even make it to a Superbowl until his 4th year.

Rex made it in his FIRST full year as a starter.

If Favre or Manning played for the idiot fan base here in Chicago, they would not be the amazing QBs they are today.

Hey Chicago, here's an idea, even though we know our boos and chants won't magically make Grossman and Orton turn into Tom Brady, and even though we know our treatment of them won't change Lovie's mind about who's starting, let's help the situation by booing the guys we DO have off the field and totally screwing their confidence for the rest of the season. GREAT IDEA.
Joekickass

AOL

#103 Aug 8, 2008
Rex Is Our Guy wrote:
<quoted text>It was even better to see the neck beard roll his gumby looking ass out of the pocket, drop the ball, and heave himself onto it.
And a linemen didn't bump him, he stepped on his foot.
You're ridiculous if you think a linemen stepping on a QBs foot causing him to fall is worse than a QB rolling out and fumbling the ball for no reason.
You, my friend, are what pisses me off about Rex bashers. Despite what you see, idiocy still prevails.
Rex is still the best QB on the team. He just has to get pass the mental mistakes. Im not talking about the fall because that wasn't his falt. If he learns to take was the defence gives him he will be ok. He ended last year with positive improvements( QB rating over 85). I hope he gets better.
Joekickass

AOL

#104 Aug 8, 2008
We should made a play for camp camron for off cord.
john cena

Chicago, IL

#105 Aug 8, 2008
Not one mention of Hanie, the guy who had the best game of the three.
Hardliner

Saint Paul, MN

#106 Aug 8, 2008
Any success that this rag tag group of players has will be the end result of playing in what may be the worst division in football. It's nothing to brag about and will not end up with any titles.

Angelo should be drawn and quartered for yet another high draft pick who will not take the field either due to health problems or lack of talent. Have a good day.

Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#107 Aug 8, 2008
john cena wrote:
Not one mention of Hanie, the guy who had the best game of the three.
He's a 3rd stringer playing against other 3rd stringers. What do you wanna give him a cookie?

Hanie didn't have amazing stats, he had a lower QB rating than Rex and a lower yard per attempt average. And once again, I must mention that he's a 3rd stringer playing against other 3rd stringers. And he succeeded due in large part to Garret Wolfe. Forte did well in the starting group for his first time out, but except for his one nine yard chunk, he didn't do much. Garret Wolfe was all over the place and kept the defense honest, giving Hanie time to throw.

I'm not taking anything away from Hanie, he looked good. But I'm not going to wow over a third stringer completing some passes. That's what he's paid to do. He did no better than Rex or Kyle. He had more time to play, nearly an entire 2 quarters, where as Rex and Kyle split the first half. He was able to get into a rhythm - and once again, I must stress - THEY WERE 3RD STRINGERS. The kid's not going to start. Please don't be that stupid to suggest that since he did ok against a 3rd string defense that we should throw him to the dogs. More idiocy from ignorant fans...

And what do you mean not one mention - there's a hundred people in this thread alone calling for him to start!
defense to victory

Lyons, IL

#108 Aug 8, 2008
im sorry but rex grossman is just flat out awful, he's had more than enough time to prove that he is good in chicago and if we want to boo him to show our displeasure to lovie and angelo then damnit we will. if rex grossman is the best quarterback on our team then godspeed do we need help
john cena

Chicago, IL

#109 Aug 8, 2008
Rex Is Our Guy wrote:
<quoted text>He's a 3rd stringer playing against other 3rd stringers. What do you wanna give him a cookie?
Hanie didn't have amazing stats, he had a lower QB rating than Rex and a lower yard per attempt average. And once again, I must mention that he's a 3rd stringer playing against other 3rd stringers. And he succeeded due in large part to Garret Wolfe. Forte did well in the starting group for his first time out, but except for his one nine yard chunk, he didn't do much. Garret Wolfe was all over the place and kept the defense honest, giving Hanie time to throw.
I'm not taking anything away from Hanie, he looked good. But I'm not going to wow over a third stringer completing some passes. That's what he's paid to do. He did no better than Rex or Kyle. He had more time to play, nearly an entire 2 quarters, where as Rex and Kyle split the first half. He was able to get into a rhythm - and once again, I must stress - THEY WERE 3RD STRINGERS. The kid's not going to start. Please don't be that stupid to suggest that since he did ok against a 3rd string defense that we should throw him to the dogs. More idiocy from ignorant fans...
And what do you mean not one mention - there's a hundred people in this thread alone calling for him to start!
And they beat the bears now didn't they. He showed more poise and was more effective then either of the other two losers combined. You want one of them get ready for a 6-10 season at best.
Tom from Memphis

Arlington, TN

#110 Aug 8, 2008
"The Bears defense was strong early..." WHAAAA?!? 16-play, 81-yard drive, including 5-5 on third down for the CHIEFS, is "strong"?

“Let's rock!!”

Since: Oct 07

Aurora, IL

#111 Aug 8, 2008
Joekickass wrote:
<quoted text>
Rex is still the best QB on the team, but he has to get over the mental stuff.
Well, that, and he has to gain about 6" in height, learn how not to stare down his receivers, grow bigger hands, not STUMBLE AROUND IN THE DAMN BACKFIELD etc.

Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#112 Aug 8, 2008
defense to victory wrote:
im sorry but rex grossman is just flat out awful, he's had more than enough time to prove that he is good in chicago and if we want to boo him to show our displeasure to lovie and angelo then damnit we will. if rex grossman is the best quarterback on our team then godspeed do we need help
Tell me, with no veteran to turn to, what good does booing do? To show your displeasure? Oooh wow, you've made a point - guess what - Rex or Kyle's still on the field - they didn't magically turn into Tom Brady because you opened your mouth.

My point is it's preseason for God's sake, give them a little time. Show them some support. Booing does nothing but show your an ignorant fan.

Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#113 Aug 8, 2008
john cena wrote:
<quoted text>And they beat the bears now didn't they. He showed more poise and was more effective then either of the other two losers combined. You want one of them get ready for a 6-10 season at best.
Right, just like we'll never make it to a Superbowl with Rex Grossman , right?
NIU Huskie Fan

Plainfield, IL

#114 Aug 9, 2008
If this team was smart they'd give more touches to Garrett Wolfe since he's the only playmaker on this team outside of Hester and maybe Olsen. Wolfe had over 11 yards per touch. I'm curious how Forte looked good to some people. His rushing average was rather...average at best.
NIU Huskie Fan

Plainfield, IL

#115 Aug 9, 2008
Now Wait a Minute wrote:
Random Thoughts-
Don't get too excited about Wolfe. Helooked speedy in pre-season last year, too. Wait until the first team big boys play for real.
That's because last year all Ron Turner did was call for Wolfe to run up the middle. How do they expect Wolfe to run up the middle when Cedric Benson and Adrian Peterson couldn't even do it? You need a line to open up holes and Wolfe will do his thing. If you can't open holes then you let Wolfe run to the outsides or you use him on screens/sweeps/passing situations. You get him the ball in open space and he's going to make lots of people miss and burn right past them.
john cena

Chicago, IL

#116 Aug 9, 2008
Rex Is Our Guy wrote:
<quoted text>Right, just like we'll never make it to a Superbowl with Rex Grossman , right?
My God, the defense got you there; not your quarterback. Are you that lame? Apparently so!
NIU Huskie Fan

Plainfield, IL

#117 Aug 9, 2008
John D wrote:
Wolfe did not impress last season for some basic reasons. First, he was not given many opportunities, and when he was, it was usually third down, long, and towards the end of the quarter. Second, he is small in stature, and could not block well in passing situations (this unfortunately limits what can be done when he is in there).
When did Wolfe not block well? He blocked better than Benson and just as good as Peterson. I remember hearing the TV announcers quite a few times saying how impressed they were with Wolfe's blocking. Wolfe may be small but he's very strong for his size. Most people don't realize how strong he is. He was a great pass blocker at NIU and i even saw him pick up a linebacker with one arm and flip the guy over on his butt while he still had the ball tucked under his other arm.
NIU Grad Student

Plainfield, IL

#118 Aug 9, 2008
Daniel LaRusso wrote:
As for Wolfe...if the guy is so great, how come he didn't fare so well against defenses when he played last season? There's a reason that he looks good against scrubs, and there's a reason he is 3rd on the depth chart for the second season in a row...
Tell me which RB on the team looked good last year with that pathetic o-line. Most of Turner's playcalling sent Wolfe up the middle. No one could open holes for the running game. Wolfe made at least two of the longest plays by a Bears RB last season. One of which i remember against the Saints.

Btw, the reason he is third is because the Bears keep on anointing new RB's the position with no real competition for the spot. They gave it to Benson when Jones was traded even though Wolfe and Peterson looked better and now they gave it to Forte when they got rid of Benson early this summer. Forte is not as talented as Wolfe. Wolfe is faster, quicker, and cuts better. Wolfe had a more productive college career than any other RB on the team and was a Heisman candidate and nationally publicized player in college football. I never heard of Forte until the Bears drafted him and that's probably because he played football in a weak conference (CUSA).
Bill

Downers Grove, IL

#119 Aug 9, 2008
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Ah--Oh !!........ RIOG's sure all lathered up !......... He's in mid-season form !!

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Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#120 Aug 9, 2008
john cena wrote:
<quoted text>My God, the defense got you there; not your quarterback. Are you that lame? Apparently so!
Alright, then explain to me, if Rex had nothing to do with it, why we didn't get to a Superbowl before '06 when he started the full season.

In 2001-2003 we had a top 2 defense, and we were actually #1 in 2003. Why didn't we go to the Superbowl then? We actually had a BETTER defense those years, and Rex hadn't even set foot on the field yet. So why didn't we go to the Superbowl then?

Why were we one and done in the playoffs those years, when we made the playoffs anyway...?

Can you explain that to me?

No you can't because you're wrong. Rex helped out big time in getting to the big game. Anyone who thinks a defense can carry an entire team in today's NFL is an idiot. You need some sort of an offense and the stats and the fact that we got there prove that Grossman played a big part in that.

An offensive 30 point average per game didn't help? 23 touchdowns didn't help? Nearly 4,000 total passing yards didn't help? Moving from being ranked 29th in scoring in 2005 when Orton was at the helm to the second highest scoring team in the league in '06 with Rex didnt' help?

You're an idiot if you really believe that.

And on top of it, the last 8 games, our defense didn't even rank in the top 10. They gave up 31 points to the Bucs, a team that hadn't scored a TD in 12 consecutive points, in six minutes. Rex bailed us out of that game throwing for a record 339 yards and 3 TD's. What about the Giants game he bailed our defense out of. And the Rams game? Or the 2nd Lions game?

Do you forget how bad our defense got beat the second half of the year?

Maybe you should check your stats before you make an ass out of yourself like most Rex bashers do.

Let me guess, you're one of those guys who uses the "Rex can't even take an NFL snap" bullshit excuses when he only had one batched snap last season while Orton and Griese combined for nine.

You want to see a guy carried to the playoffs by his defense, go get the tapes and watch Orton in 2005 who threw 9 TD's total in 15 starts. THAT'S being carried.

Do yourself a favor and actually research your claims before you make an ass out of yourself and post B.S.

Since: Nov 07

Channahon, IL

#121 Aug 9, 2008
Bill wrote:
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Ah--Oh !!........ RIOG's sure all lathered up !......... He's in mid-season form !!
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That's right baby!

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