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Time For New England Patriots to Find Tom Brady's Replacement

There are 72 comments on the Rant Sports story from Jan 26, 2013, titled Time For New England Patriots to Find Tom Brady's Replacement. In it, Rant Sports reports that:

One thing that was learned from the 2012 NFL season is that New England Patriots starting quarterback Tom Brady is on the decline.

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“I call it as I see it.”

Since: Jul 09

Retirement City

#63 Aug 23, 2013
Gooddogowner wrote:
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Then you should love Brady. Has an NFL record rushing 43 straight times for a first down when 3rd or 4th down and one yard to go. He reads the defense, calls an audible and dives forward to keep the drive alive or scores a TD. That's an NFL Record for effectiveness. And if I'm not mistaken, he is an exceptional pocket passer.
Can't even think of another guy who as rushed 43 times in a row without losing yardage at least once.
I was talking about QBs who don't require an eternity to run a 40 yard sash. With a career rushing average of less than two yards per carry and a 5.3 time (or perhaps slower by now) in the 40, he hardly sounds like a passer first who can also run. I was thinking more in terms of Eli Manning's great escape from what looked like a sure sack in the Giant's first Super Bowl win over the Patriots where he did display a reasonable degree of mobility when he needed it. Aaron Rodgers is a textbook example of one I would call a pass first QB who can run well. Bart Starr was an example of a fairly mobile QB who hardly ever had to run because he played behind an outstanding offensive line for most of his career and was content to stay in the pocket. I once watched game highlights where Starr would have made Fran Tarkenton proud when Starr scrambled to avoid the rush and complete a pass. I remember seeing Y.A. Tittle play some 50 years ago who like Brady was slow, but unlike Brady was very lithe on his feet and more than once, I saw him fake a handoff to a back when the Giants were threatening to score and nearly faked the defense out of their shoes and waltzed into the end zone completely untouched. He was also past the age of 35 when he pulled it off. In spite of his lack of foot speed, he still averages 3.8 yards per carry as a Giant (from age 35-38) which is much better than Brady's career average that includes Brady's younger years. Tittle may have been slow, but he was also very lithe on his feet.

Since: Oct 12

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#64 Aug 23, 2013
...Edelman either......Dolphins may have a shot at this division, this year....
Gooddogowner

La Palma, CA

#65 Aug 23, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I was talking about QBs who don't require an eternity to run a 40 yard sash. With a career rushing average of less than two yards per carry and a 5.3 time (or perhaps slower by now) in the 40, he hardly sounds like a passer first who can also run. I was thinking more in terms of Eli Manning's great escape from what looked like a sure sack in the Giant's first Super Bowl win over the Patriots where he did display a reasonable degree of mobility when he needed it. Aaron Rodgers is a textbook example of one I would call a pass first QB who can run well. Bart Starr was an example of a fairly mobile QB who hardly ever had to run because he played behind an outstanding offensive line for most of his career and was content to stay in the pocket. I once watched game highlights where Starr would have made Fran Tarkenton proud when Starr scrambled to avoid the rush and complete a pass. I remember seeing Y.A. Tittle play some 50 years ago who like Brady was slow, but unlike Brady was very lithe on his feet and more than once, I saw him fake a handoff to a back when the Giants were threatening to score and nearly faked the defense out of their shoes and waltzed into the end zone completely untouched. He was also past the age of 35 when he pulled it off. In spite of his lack of foot speed, he still averages 3.8 yards per carry as a Giant (from age 35-38) which is much better than Brady's career average that includes Brady's younger years. Tittle may have been slow, but he was also very lithe on his feet.
Could you change your name to Rambling' Man or Confused or Clueless, or The Ranter...something to give us fair warning that you are gonna waste our time. A QBs speed and yards per carry don't make him better.
If a QB has speed, it usually means he is not going to put in the time to become a great pocket passer. Instead he will use his speed to try and run. Running QBs seldom become good QBs (Teow and Vick come to mind. It's the slow footed QB like Brady and Manning who focus on pocket passing, although Brady's clearly better). I'll explain why in a second. I'd gladly take a QB that only rushes for one yard but gets me a first down or TD, over the QB that rushes for more yards but fails to convert the first down or TD. Brady may only get a yard, but he knows when and how to get it. He holds the current and ongoing record of 43 consecutive first downs or TDs, when faced with a 3rd or 4th down and one yard to go. This speaks volumes of his skill at running an offense. This is because he is results oriented over stats oriented (Manning ring a bell). Coupled with Brady being the NFL leader in Points scored per season, and his TD and Red Zone scoring percentages being tops, how can you just close your eyes to Brady's superiority? And why do you constantly bring up things that have no value to the topic being discussed? Saw a story where even the Colts owner chose Brady over Manning. Doesn't that impact you? Oh, sorry I get it, you don't like Brady, Forgot to factor in your emotional attachment to Manning. Sorry to disturb you, go back to your delusional reminiscing. What if anything has Peyton done that compares?
BarTender

La Palma, CA

#66 Aug 23, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I was talking about QBs who don't require an eternity to run a 40 yard sash. With a career rushing average of less than two yards per carry and a 5.3 time (or perhaps slower by now) in the 40, he hardly sounds like a passer first who can also run. I was thinking more in terms of Eli Manning's great escape from what looked like a sure sack in the Giant's first Super Bowl win over the Patriots where he did display a reasonable degree of mobility when he needed it. Aaron Rodgers is a textbook example of one I would call a pass first QB who can run well. Bart Starr was an example of a fairly mobile QB who hardly ever had to run because he played behind an outstanding offensive line for most of his career and was content to stay in the pocket. I once watched game highlights where Starr would have made Fran Tarkenton proud when Starr scrambled to avoid the rush and complete a pass. I remember seeing Y.A. Tittle play some 50 years ago who like Brady was slow, but unlike Brady was very lithe on his feet and more than once, I saw him fake a handoff to a back when the Giants were threatening to score and nearly faked the defense out of their shoes and waltzed into the end zone completely untouched. He was also past the age of 35 when he pulled it off. In spite of his lack of foot speed, he still averages 3.8 yards per carry as a Giant (from age 35-38) which is much better than Brady's career average that includes Brady's younger years. Tittle may have been slow, but he was also very lithe on his feet.
It's not a QBs attributes that matter but what he accomplishes result wise. Football is about results.
Focusing as you do on stronger arms, faster 40 yard dash speeds, even stats that aren't connected to TDs or wins seem counter productive to picking the better players. It's who does the best (wins, TDs, 1st downs etc) regardless of being shorter, slower, weaker arms, etc. If a short slow guy with low arm strength does better, all the more reason to recognize him as being better. He has done more with less so it's smack in the face clear he is better with all the disadvantages he has had to overcome. Manning has had all the advantages any QB could have and still he falls short. Sorry dude, your best solution is to get real. Or just like Manning for who he is. That's what we do.
Janitor

La Palma, CA

#67 Aug 23, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I was talking about QBs who don't require an eternity to run a 40 yard sash. With a career rushing average of less than two yards per carry and a 5.3 time (or perhaps slower by now) in the 40, he hardly sounds like a passer first who can also run. I was thinking more in terms of Eli Manning's great escape from what looked like a sure sack in the Giant's first Super Bowl win over the Patriots where he did display a reasonable degree of mobility when he needed it. Aaron Rodgers is a textbook example of one I would call a pass first QB who can run well. Bart Starr was an example of a fairly mobile QB who hardly ever had to run because he played behind an outstanding offensive line for most of his career and was content to stay in the pocket. I once watched game highlights where Starr would have made Fran Tarkenton proud when Starr scrambled to avoid the rush and complete a pass. I remember seeing Y.A. Tittle play some 50 years ago who like Brady was slow, but unlike Brady was very lithe on his feet and more than once, I saw him fake a handoff to a back when the Giants were threatening to score and nearly faked the defense out of their shoes and waltzed into the end zone completely untouched. He was also past the age of 35 when he pulled it off. In spite of his lack of foot speed, he still averages 3.8 yards per carry as a Giant (from age 35-38) which is much better than Brady's career average that includes Brady's younger years. Tittle may have been slow, but he was also very lithe on his feet.
Sorry don't know what lithe on his feet means but it sounds a lot like Brady's pocket prescense that Steve Young said helped make Brady the best. If Young thinks Bradys the best having played with Montana and Rice! You know he's damn good. Are you a real person or are you just a data dump that someone pulled out from the 1960s? Why do you always get off target? If you were a boat you'd be lost at sea. Sorry, you confuse me. All over the place with random thoughts that don't relate to anything important.

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Since: Jul 09

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#68 Aug 23, 2013
Gooddogowner wrote:
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Could you change your name to Rambling' Man or Confused or Clueless, or The Ranter...something to give us fair warning that you are gonna waste our time. A QBs speed and yards per carry don't make him better.
If a QB has speed, it usually means he is not going to put in the time to become a great pocket passer. Instead he will use his speed to try and run. Running QBs seldom become good QBs (Teow and Vick come to mind. It's the slow footed QB like Brady and Manning who focus on pocket passing, although Brady's clearly better). I'll explain why in a second. I'd gladly take a QB that only rushes for one yard but gets me a first down or TD, over the QB that rushes for more yards but fails to convert the first down or TD. Brady may only get a yard, but he knows when and how to get it. He holds the current and ongoing record of 43 consecutive first downs or TDs, when faced with a 3rd or 4th down and one yard to go. This speaks volumes of his skill at running an offense. This is because he is results oriented over stats oriented (Manning ring a bell). Coupled with Brady being the NFL leader in Points scored per season, and his TD and Red Zone scoring percentages being tops, how can you just close your eyes to Brady's superiority? And why do you constantly bring up things that have no value to the topic being discussed? Saw a story where even the Colts owner chose Brady over Manning. Doesn't that impact you? Oh, sorry I get it, you don't like Brady, Forgot to factor in your emotional attachment to Manning. Sorry to disturb you, go back to your delusional reminiscing. What if anything has Peyton done that compares?
You obviously don't want to debate in good faith and I plan to do the same here that I did on another Tom Brady forum, that is I will starve a troll be no longer monmitoring and listening to your nonsense I have wasted more than enough time with you. BTW, Aaron Rodgers has good foot speed and there is nothing wrong with his passing performance and he only has the highest passer rating of any QB in NFL history who has thrown at least 2000 passes. Emotional attachment to Manning? You damned well know that isn't true. I never liked the Colts or the Broncos. Is your memory that bad? I have said that before on more than one occasion in posts to you. Do you want to get the last word in? Be my guest. I will stop monitoring this thread as well so posting any more nonsense in response will be like talking to yourself. I have wasted far too much time with responding to your cyber equivalent of motor mouthing and Gish galloping. I will cease to feed the troll (you) any further.

Since: Jul 13

Park Hills, MO

#69 Aug 24, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, and better yet, your still the Redskins, eh?....lol....Not sure RG III will be that great, simply as a pocket passer?
RG3 has one of the strongest arms in the NFL and he's very accurate. I think he will evolve into a pocket passer as Steve McNair did and be just fine. I think he'll still run, but he'll pick his moments wisely and learn to slide
Mensan

La Palma, CA

#70 Aug 25, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You obviously don't want to debate in good faith and I plan to do the same here that I did on another Tom Brady forum, that is I will starve a troll be no longer monmitoring and listening to your nonsense I have wasted more than enough time with you. BTW, Aaron Rodgers has good foot speed and there is nothing wrong with his passing performance and he only has the highest passer rating of any QB in NFL history who has thrown at least 2000 passes. Emotional attachment to Manning? You damned well know that isn't true. I never liked the Colts or the Broncos. Is your memory that bad? I have said that before on more than one occasion in posts to you. Do you want to get the last word in? Be my guest. I will stop monitoring this thread as well so posting any more nonsense in response will be like talking to yourself. I have wasted far too much time with responding to your cyber equivalent of motor mouthing and Gish galloping. I will cease to feed the troll (you) any further.
I'll debate. Why did you pick 2000 passes that's 3 or four years of quarterbacking. Most folks don't even look at qbs for career numbers until they have 10 years of stats. Thats about 5000 passes. Hope you didn't make the mistake of looking for someone to make your point with then checked to see how many passes they threw. That not how it's done in the stat world. They look at players under five years and watch them. They track players under 10 years but over five. Using a player without the prerequisite years is like stocking the pond before you go fishing for a record. Not acceptable. Agree with you thought Rodgers is a player to watch. Think he might not make it to year 10 being hit as much as he is. I think he is the most hit quarterback over the last 3 years. If not the top he's up there anyway. One more year and he can be tracked. If you can wait a year and Rodgers is still standing you just might have a point.
Cabby

La Palma, CA

#71 Aug 25, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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RG3 has one of the strongest arms in the NFL and he's very accurate. I think he will evolve into a pocket passer as Steve McNair did and be just fine. I think he'll still run, but he'll pick his moments wisely and learn to slide
I think RG3 is one of the best athletes in the NFL but he seems to be small and light. Think it would be better if he put on a few pounds to protect himself even if it slows him down. Then he can concentrate on being a pocket passer and not be tempted to run so much where he will get hurt. If he stays light better to make him a cornerback which is never going to happen.
Retired Mensan

La Palma, CA

#72 Aug 25, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>You obviously don't want to debate in good faith and I plan to do the same here that I did on another Tom Brady forum, that is I will starve a troll be no longer monmitoring and listening to your nonsense I have wasted more than enough time with you. BTW, Aaron Rodgers has good foot speed and there is nothing wrong with his passing performance and he only has the highest passer rating of any QB in NFL history who has thrown at least 2000 passes. Emotional attachment to Manning? You damned well know that isn't true. I never liked the Colts or the Broncos. Is your memory that bad? I have said that before on more than one occasion in posts to you. Do you want to get the last word in? Be my guest. I will stop monitoring this thread as well so posting any more nonsense in response will be like talking to yourself. I have wasted far too much time with responding to your cyber equivalent of motor mouthing and Gish galloping. I will cease to feed the troll (you) any further.
I like Aaron Rodgers. But I think it's to soon to think he can stay as good as he is and with the better quarterbacks like Drew Brees and Peyton Manning if he keeps getting whacked as much as he does from incoming rushers. He may have foot speed now but it may not last much longere. This qb gets sacked as much as anybody and in a couple more years might not even have legs or head to play quarterback. Hope he gets smart fast and learns to dump it. It may hurt his career stats but it will prolong his career. I may be wrong here but wasn't it Troy Aikman who had a shortened career because he got hit so much that resulted in concussions. Probably a lot of other guys to. Think Montana and Young had head injuries. RGIII should learn from the past. His career almost ended before it got started. Not everybody can be Tarkenton but then did he ever win anything?
BarTender

La Palma, CA

#73 Aug 25, 2013
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I was talking about QBs who don't require an eternity to run a 40 yard sash. With a career rushing average of less than two yards per carry and a 5.3 time (or perhaps slower by now) in the 40, he hardly sounds like a passer first who can also run. I was thinking more in terms of Eli Manning's great escape from what looked like a sure sack in the Giant's first Super Bowl win over the Patriots where he did display a reasonable degree of mobility when he needed it. Aaron Rodgers is a textbook example of one I would call a pass first QB who can run well. Bart Starr was an example of a fairly mobile QB who hardly ever had to run because he played behind an outstanding offensive line for most of his career and was content to stay in the pocket. I once watched game highlights where Starr would have made Fran Tarkenton proud when Starr scrambled to avoid the rush and complete a pass. I remember seeing Y.A. Tittle play some 50 years ago who like Brady was slow, but unlike Brady was very lithe on his feet and more than once, I saw him fake a handoff to a back when the Giants were threatening to score and nearly faked the defense out of their shoes and waltzed into the end zone completely untouched. He was also past the age of 35 when he pulled it off. In spite of his lack of foot speed, he still averages 3.8 yards per carry as a Giant (from age 35-38) which is much better than Brady's career average that includes Brady's younger years. Tittle may have been slow, but he was also very lithe on his feet.
Don't mean to be picky again, but how many Titles did Tittle win? Sounds funny when you say it outloud. OK now three times fast. Where is he in the record books and why would you bring up a player from 60 years ago who only proves that these running QBs don't win anything on a regular basis and take the position that they do. I don't mean to pick on an old man but if we wanted to hear some old man reminisce off point we would visit our grand fathers. Please stay on point. Use your old players as examples that's fine just please stay on point. Need help, visit the community center. That's what they are there for and that's where my grandpa goes.

Since: Oct 12

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#74 Aug 25, 2013
Cheese Puff Daddy wrote:
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RG3 has one of the strongest arms in the NFL and he's very accurate. I think he will evolve into a pocket passer as Steve McNair did and be just fine. I think he'll still run, but he'll pick his moments wisely and learn to slide
I wish you and him luck...He seem's a great kid...Steve McNair was way bigger....I'm just saying, the next big knee/ankle blowout, could mean strictly pocket passer forever....seen it before....

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