Losing Veldheer was a blow to McKenzie

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I had a good talk with Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie on the phone today.
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“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

OG, "so cal."

#1 Mar 25, 2014
really?(lol) mckenzie probably said, shiet, i didn't hire these damn guys!?
and truth is, veldheer and houston probably did not want to play for mckenzie!
wouldn't doubt it!

RAIDERS 2014!!!

Since: Dec 12

Honolulu, Hi

#2 Mar 26, 2014
Veldheer needs to hire a new agent....he shouldve got more money

Since: Jan 11

Tempe, AZ

#3 Mar 26, 2014
We offered him 30 million, he said no and took 35. I doubt whatever credibility he had.
Reggie McWTF

United States

#4 Mar 26, 2014
RAIDER MISTERIO OG wrote:
and truth is, veldheer and houston probably did not want to play for mckenzie!
wouldn't doubt it!
RAIDERS 2014!!!
^^^^This^^^^

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

OG, "so cal."

#5 Mar 26, 2014
congratulations to the bears landing jared allen.
was he the last of the great mohicans in f/a d-men?
RAIDERS 2014!!!
He Hate Me

Denver, CO

#6 Mar 26, 2014
RAIDER MISTERIO OG wrote:
congratulations to the bears landing jared allen.
was he the last of the great mohicans in f/a d-men?
RAIDERS 2014!!!
Of course the Bears got him
Reggie McWTF

United States

#7 Mar 26, 2014
The shower room antics of one VaJay-Jay Cuntler won him over.

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

OG, "so cal."

#8 Mar 26, 2014
He Hate Me wrote:
<quoted text>Of course the Bears got him
yea, true, i hate you! well, it's more jealousy!
RAIDERS 2014!!!
Freddy

Granger, IN

#9 Mar 26, 2014
This is Total BS on McKenzie's part. It also very disturbing for Raider fans. Veldheer went public with his desire to be a Raider for life and was frustrated that the negotiations were going slow. McKenzie now says that Veldheer did not want to play for the Raiders? Huh? Houston decision was based on the Chicago quarterback vs. the Raider QB? Huh? These are just more excuses from McKenzie and disturbing in the sense that it is down right delusional on McKenzie's part. The new Era is all about making excuses. The Owner is stating no more excuses and McKenzie mentality is to make excuses. Not a good ending for McKenzie.
SIlver Fan

Cape Coral, FL

#10 Mar 26, 2014
Yes, Veldheer was a blow to our team...but that's ONLY because he is the best OL out of a bunch of scrubs. Veld is a solid player...same with Lamar Houston....but to act like either of them were blue chip players is a frikken joke. They are mediocre players at best...easily replaceable. I don't care at all about losing Houston. Veld should have been franchised...period. It was 1 less position that had to be filled for a year. RM dropped the ball by not putting the tag on him...he thought Veld would be loyal and stay.....total rookie mistake by RM. What I can't understand is how in the heck is Alex Mack still out there as a FA??? Are you serious RM??? GET HIM ASAP moron!!
Freddy

Granger, IN

#11 Mar 26, 2014
It is not a joke. Both are blue-chip players.
Wiraider

Eau Claire, WI

#12 Mar 26, 2014
They were both better than 75% of the league at there position,which therefore should have been kept... Neither side is at real fault here, both were doin there jobs.. Players want more money, mckensie spending his wisely. In my mind if a player Really wanted to stay he would have signed the dotted line!!! To fault mckensie is wrong unless you expected him to pay the player what he wants!!!! Deals for both where there for the taken and comparable to what they signed for... Nature of the business....
RaiderFaith

Whitakers, NC

#13 Mar 26, 2014
Agreed.
Wiraider wrote:
They were both better than 75% of the league at there position,which therefore should have been kept... Neither side is at real fault here, both were doin there jobs.. Players want more money, mckensie spending his wisely. In my mind if a player Really wanted to stay he would have signed the dotted line!!! To fault mckensie is wrong unless you expected him to pay the player what he wants!!!! Deals for both where there for the taken and comparable to what they signed for... Nature of the business....
The Excuse

Katy, TX

#14 Mar 26, 2014
Freddy wrote:
This is Total BS on McKenzie's part. It also very disturbing for Raider fans. Veldheer went public with his desire to be a Raider for life and was frustrated that the negotiations were going slow. McKenzie now says that Veldheer did not want to play for the Raiders? Huh? Houston decision was based on the Chicago quarterback vs. the Raider QB? Huh? These are just more excuses from McKenzie and disturbing in the sense that it is down right delusional on McKenzie's part. The new Era is all about making excuses. The Owner is stating no more excuses and McKenzie mentality is to make excuses. Not a good ending for McKenzie.
And Reggie strikes again...I think him and Allen have mental issues...
Freddy

Granger, IN

#15 Mar 26, 2014
Wiraider wrote:
They were both better than 75% of the league at there position,which therefore should have been kept... Neither side is at real fault here, both were doin there jobs.. Players want more money, mckensie spending his wisely. In my mind if a player Really wanted to stay he would have signed the dotted line!!! To fault mckensie is wrong unless you expected him to pay the player what he wants!!!! Deals for both where there for the taken and comparable to what they signed for... Nature of the business....
You can absolutely blame McKenzie. During the period when only the Raiders can talk to/sign their free agents, it is the GM's job to determine the market value, explain the market value, pay the market value and even pay slightly more than market value (see J. Cutler; see M. Cassel; see A. Boldin). It is also the GMs job to sell the player's importance and role, the reason to stay and convince the player to sign (it's called selling). The GM can enlist the coach, coordinators and other players to help him to do this. Instead, McKenzie drags along negotiations at a deliberate pace, low-balls the player and insults the player instead of making them feel good. The Cardinals and Bears made the players feel wanted, important, their role on the team and grateful for signing. The total opposite from McKenzie. As far as spending money wisely, not signing these players was spending money unwisely. The financial difference was not the deciding factor. It is was the process that was the deciding factor and that is all on McKenzie.

“PLAY TO WIN”

Since: Jul 09

OG, "so cal."

#16 Mar 26, 2014
Reggie McWTF wrote:
<quoted text>
^^^^This^^^^
(LOL), yes,^^^^ That^^^^!

RAIDERS 2014!!!

Since: Dec 12

Honolulu, Hi

#17 Mar 27, 2014
raiders are interested in evan mathis one of the best run blocking guards and alex mack still out their....i expect a couple more fa signing b4 the draft.....good luck to veldheer but raider nation will be fine w out you.....go raiders!!
Wiraider

Eau Claire, WI

#18 Mar 27, 2014
Freddy wrote:
<quoted text>You can absolutely blame McKenzie. During the period when only the Raiders can talk to/sign their free agents, it is the GM's job to determine the market value, explain the market value, pay the market value and even pay slightly more than market value (see J. Cutler; see M. Cassel; see A. Boldin). It is also the GMs job to sell the player's importance and role, the reason to stay and convince the player to sign (it's called selling). The GM can enlist the coach, coordinators and other players to help him to do this. Instead, McKenzie drags along negotiations at a deliberate pace, low-balls the player and insults the player instead of making them feel good. The Cardinals and Bears made the players feel wanted, important, their role on the team and grateful for signing. The total opposite from McKenzie. As far as spending money wisely, not signing these players was spending money unwisely. The financial difference was not the deciding factor. It is was the process that was the deciding factor and that is all on McKenzie.

We'll I my eyes, and what been said and written mckensie fought for these guys, with plenty of talks and very comparable contracts!!! Now if u talk of market value,raiders had negotiated with both, and has far as been to deliberate,, it's the job of the player to go find the most money IF that's what they wanted,so I believe it's on the players that drag negotiations out,find the best deal....once again goin in early and signing these guys for more money than worth is PAST history!!! Also believe it or not but some players just don't want to be here,unless money is sky high and for me I'd let them walk too!!!! Mckensie wants guys that want to be part of rebuilding this for the long run,want to be a raider,maybe these too didn't fit that mold!!!!
Reggie McWTF

United States

#19 Mar 27, 2014
Smells like a case of players not buying into Reggie's 25 year plan. More to jump ship after this season.
Freddy

Granger, IN

#20 Mar 27, 2014
Wiraider wrote:
<quoted text>
We'll I my eyes, and what been said and written mckensie fought for these guys, with plenty of talks and very comparable contracts!!! Now if u talk of market value,raiders had negotiated with both, and has far as been to deliberate,, it's the job of the player to go find the most money IF that's what they wanted,so I believe it's on the players that drag negotiations out,find the best deal....once again goin in early and signing these guys for more money than worth is PAST history!!! Also believe it or not but some players just don't want to be here,unless money is sky high and for me I'd let them walk too!!!! Mckensie wants guys that want to be part of rebuilding this for the long run,want to be a raider,maybe these too didn't fit that mold!!!!
For me, the key was Veldheer publicly stating that things were deliberate and it goes against everything they said to him about being a foundation. It was about credibility/disrespect and that was a month before the deadline. As far as market value, paying above the market as a thing of the past. We will not agree upon that and it is not worth discussing. The grinding/spreadsheet football mentality is not the way to go. by the way, I cannot recall a time where the Raiders of the past could not sign someone due to money (see Elway). The bottom line is that if McKenzie does not change, this is what Raider fans can expect every offseason. Developing players in their prime will be stolen for slightly above market value. It is an easy sell for agents.

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