Healthy salary cap gives Thompson fle...

Healthy salary cap gives Thompson flexibility

There are 13 comments on the WisInfo story from Feb 8, 2009, titled Healthy salary cap gives Thompson flexibility. In it, WisInfo reports that:

The Green Bay Packers' ultra-healthy salary cap means General Manager Ted Thompson can stay his course when it comes to roster moves and players contracts despite the possibility the NFL won't have a salary cap ...

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eric

Vesper, WI

#1 Feb 8, 2009
around 25 mil under the cap and maybe more if they raise the cap possibly another 7 mil.
does this 25 mil include Brett Favre 08 salary cap number? the 09 cap numbers begin sometime in the future usually around March 1 when FA signing start.
although BF wasnt in GB in 08 he cost the Packers cap room and im assuming the cap number is with BF off the cap,but,i wonder if it was? If not you can add another 14 mil or so,so im assuming the 25 mil was W/O BF.
eric

Vesper, WI

#2 Feb 8, 2009
or i should say im assuming BF 14 mil cap number was subtracted from the cap making the Packers 25 mil under.
normallylikeyell ow

Houtzdale, PA

#3 Feb 8, 2009
I don't know, eric, but it's not like we're gonna cap out. This is a cheap outfit, from what I've seen... I'd be shocked if we find ourselves any closer than last year, brother. We have good young players. A few injuries and we're into the not-so-experienced, some-good, some-not-so-good young players. I haven't said this, but I think we're closer to the Chiefs than to the elite teams.
eric

Vesper, WI

#4 Feb 8, 2009
I think we are a better team then last years shown.The only reason why i asked about BF is there is a minimum number to reach,and i think its within 30 mil or so and we are 25 mil and if that include BF and BF will be gone after March 1 then thats another 14 mil or so,which means we will be 39 mil or so under which again means we are a few mil under which meams Ted has to spend some coin!
I wonder if Ted will try to sign some big cash,so in 2010 theres no cap and prob no football in 2011 and beyond until there is another form of cap to keep down cost for everyone involved.as SPorts will prob become less profitable as the economy goes worse and folks are tired of spoiled athlets makeing millions,bitching they want more and other folks losing their house,jobs ect and that will catch up to sports to a degree.
eric

Vesper, WI

#5 Feb 8, 2009
You fiqure a few long passes late in the game and theres the difference between 8-8 and 6-10.We really arent that far away and a good draft should put us in a playoff position. the big thing will be how fast we can adjust to the new 3-4 defense.
if the Packers get ahold of it early then a 10-6 should be in hand,and of course if teh defense takes half the season and we are 2-6 3-5 at the half way mark, a 7-1 second half would get us in the playoffs and with the schedule n ext year as is now, that would be tough!
normallylikeyell ow

United States

#6 Feb 10, 2009
I guess you're right. I just see us trending younger still and that's what the Chiefs got into. They're a gazillion under the cap too. They went from a playoff team to a team that lost 14 out of 16. Pretty soon your good veterans want a get-out-of-jail card like Jared Allen got. Yes, we're better than KC by a long shot, but it doesn't take long for the whole thing to unravel, that was my point. And we've got the Steelers, Ravens, Cowboys, Bucs, Seahawks, Cardinals and 49ers all on our schedule next season. Not too easy for a 3rd place team. Road games in Pittsburgh, Arizona, Tampa. A defense to learn... You're the optimist--talk me down eric!
eric

Vesper, WI

#7 Feb 10, 2009
Pitt Ari Tampa lose,well thats 13-3! HOWS THAT FOR BEING OPTIMISTIC!
eric

Vesper, WI

#8 Feb 10, 2009
Brother,dont worry.Things change in a hurry!
How many teams have we seen drop like a stone,or after a nice draft,a few FA,they are playoff bound.
Pitts will be tough historically speaking
but if Balti.lose Ray Lewis,and another LB who knows Seattle,new coach,who knows,49ers,they are averagae so far,Ari sucked until this past year,so who knows,they went on a increible run in the playoffs after sucking the last few games and now teams are ready for the NFC champs.
If the Packers adjust quick to the new defense and with that coaching staff on defense they should be more then ok with a good draft,if they struggle for a while,they will be in the hole.Its a matter of injuries!The healthiest team usually wins.Folks say injuries anrent an excuse,but,injuries do play a part,and the healthiest team usually wins,esp. now with parity in this league.
normallylikeyell ow

United States

#9 Feb 11, 2009
Who me? Worry? lol I'm just thinking we might not run the table in our division, you know? Baltimore's getting better, not worse--Lewis or not. So is Arizona and San Francisco. Tampa beat us this year--but it will be interesting to see what happens with their offense. I'd love to get that Cowboys monkey off our backs. That's where the worry starts to set in--you always win one you don't expect and vice versa (Cleveland?). I also think Jr. Mora is a pretty good coach. So13-3 doesn't look likely -- but I love your enthusiasm!

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Since: Mar 07

Marquette MI

#10 Feb 15, 2009
Yup once again there's a ton of cap space but I doubt any of it will be spent on any impact players if TT's past record is any type of indicator. He refuses to spend it in any significant way. There's the J. Peppers rumors going on right now which to me makes a lot of sense. He wants to move to a 3-4 defense which our packer's defense will now use and the defensive staff is loaded with former panther coaches and associates of the Carolina panthers in general, but I'm willing to bet that old Teddy boy will once again refuse to open the pocket book and bone that deal too. Teddy could have got Moss refused to do it and he went on to break the NFL receiving touchdown record that year. Could have got gone after Michael Turner while he was in San Diego and made a trade giving up a valuable 1st round draft pick and which he eventually traded away on draft day anyway plus cash. but nah well go the down the " cheaper" path and pick up Ryan Grant only after injuries decimated all the other running backs that year and then had to enter into drawn out contract negotiations after the season that kept him away from training camp. Grant's OK but not worth what they had to pay him for a half of year worth of success against beat up and injured defenses while he came in with fresh legs. He might as well have just given AR his contract extension that he got 3 to 4 weeks into this year anyway with the understanding that Favre would have been the starting quarterback for the next year or two after he unretired and showed up at training camp. Teddy won't do anything noteworthy with that cap space cause he's so full of himself that that he refuses to sign real free agent talent and ends up overpaying mediocre players that show a half of season worth of upside. For the packer's sake I wish he would prove me wrong...
normallylikeyell ow

United States

#11 Feb 16, 2009
Agree with you 98%, except there's nothing wrong with Grant that training camp and a little blocking wouldn't solve. By the standards of the higher paid backs, he's a bargain--big bonus but low base and lots of incentives. Is he worth the $750,000 base? I think so. It's a typical TT Pack contract: looks pricey (potential for $30 million over 4 years) but little security.

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Since: Mar 07

Marquette MI

#12 Feb 16, 2009
Normallylikeyellow thanks for clarifying that for me with the grant contract. I don't want to come off as anti-grant by any means I respect him as a player and I am happy to have him on the team. And while I'm on specific players the peppers deal isn't all that perfect in green bay either because they are already moving kampman to the olb position in the 3-4 defense and that's the position that peppers wants to play at so to me that would seem a bit foolish to have that much $ tied up in one spot. All the former panthers personnel that now resides in green bay aside I think peppers is essentially saying he wants to leave Carolina for new England and chase a championship there. While I am definately watching TT a lot closer and am more critical of him this year because of how the favre situation was handled, it is a bit bothersome to me that he seems a little overconfident and prickish in his handling of big name players. Its as if he doesn't want anyone there who is a threat to him in the perception of the players or fans and he wants a "yes man" as a coach. He's like that teacher who if you ask why something works his only response is because I say so. My biggest problem with TT the free agent market and trades that are presented to him and make sense for team needs and absolutely refused. While I would hate to see a situation such as Washington or Dallas where year after year money was wasted on the biggest free agents on the market only to find out the players didn't fit a system or lockerroom bickering is a constant problem, I would like to see TT make a move or two with the loads of cap space. TT has wiffed on trades and free agents such as moss or Turner but then again so did everyother team besides New England and Atlanta I guess. Having cap space to follow through on players you draft for the plan at hand is a good thing but sometimes you need to jump on a deal and make an impact too. Sometimes you need to open the pocket book on a big name player (Reggie White) or roll the dice on an unknown guy that you absolutely believe in (Brett Favre) to turn things around for a team. After all it has worked here before.
normallylikeyell ow

United States

#13 Feb 17, 2009
That all sounds like Albert Haynesworth to me, haha. Not likely. I said this in another thread: the 3-4 has to be a long term commitment, because its personnel needs are so different. Plenty of history to back me up here. Capers is a capable coach, so I hope we aren't dabbling in this or it could be a bad decision. Jim Bates in down in Tampa (Al Harris?). I really think the Johnson/Spagnola scheme better fit our personnel. Multiple looks, blitzes--but one-gap responsibility on the D line. Our tackles aren't blocker eaters. So Julius Peppers or not (not) we are are behind the 8 ball stopping the run. And that was the problem last year.

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