Ranking The NFC North: First Place, The Green Bay Packers

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The NFC North has been one of the most competitive division in the NFL for the last three seasons with each team registering at least one 10 win season over that time.

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#1722 Oct 13, 2013
ProCynic wrote:
<quoted text>Thats kind of a rough question for me to answer at this point. When some were crowing about Cassels performance in the Steeler game, I tried my best to keep it in perspective and said to wait till he played against an average to above average defense, and today that didnt work out well for him. At the same time, I have seen Ponder play well against some good defenses, but nowhere near consistently. And then you have Freeman, it would seem to me that two weeks to learn the offense and develop any kind of chemistry with receivers is not enough time, and its not like the O-line is helping the passing or running game either. So as far as who starts at QB? I admit defeat, I'm at a total loss, I just don't know, and being a Viking fan for 40+ years, this isnt the first time they have me totally baffled. Don't know if you have seen any of the Viking games this year, but if you have, what are a rival fans thoughts?
Id have to say unless we fix the secondary it doesnt matter who starts.The other team just goes right down the field.No protection on the o line.No pass rush,no pass defense.Cassle was doomed from the start.Musgrave has no clue what hes doing.Same as last game when the run doesnt work he tries passing it to Peterson.
eric

Monroe, WI

#1723 Oct 13, 2013
GBPmies wrote:
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Everyone has an opinion and everyone has an asshole too. But to call someone an ass wipe on this site is silly. We both have been ‘ass wipes’ and will be ass wipes in the future. We even had a bet you lost so you being here makes you an ass wipe. Me pissing you off makes me an ass wipe. Actually eric is only non ass wipe, he is a good guy. But YOU, ME, and GBPfan are ‘ass wipes’ now and them. I am sure GBPfan will disagree about being an ass wipe, but if pissing off other fans is being an ass wipe he is a CHAMP!
btw
Rodgers to Nelson was a thing a beauty. The Ravens bomb was not the same, it was desperate and not a good play by the defense making a mistake. It was not a thing of beauty like a BOMB traveling 61 yrds in the air to hit Nelson in stride.
The Ravens bomb was inexcusable! NO WAY IN HELL should a safety be playing so close to the other safety AND that close to the line of scrimmage and allow a WR to get passed him,( granted he tripped but do you really think that would have made a difference?)Damn good thing Rodgers made a few nice throws late,Finley actualy caught the damn ball ( although the dumb ass went out and killed the clock instead of staying in and make Balt. use a T.O.) and great thing Lacy finished off a great day with a great ending! Putting the game away and ive been waiting for a year to see the Packers do that! Pound the freaking ball,a few long time eating drives and bury the game away like they did.
BY THE WAY>...MJS mentioned or reported that James Jones and Randall Cobb's injuries may not be as bad as they originally thought it was

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#1724 Oct 13, 2013
Rest assured the Vikings will be the team to give the Giants their first win.No doubt about it.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#1725 Oct 13, 2013
ProCynic wrote:
<quoted text>Thats kind of a rough question for me to answer at this point. When some were crowing about Cassels performance in the Steeler game, I tried my best to keep it in perspective and said to wait till he played against an average to above average defense, and today that didnt work out well for him. At the same time, I have seen Ponder play well against some good defenses, but nowhere near consistently. And then you have Freeman, it would seem to me that two weeks to learn the offense and develop any kind of chemistry with receivers is not enough time, and its not like the O-line is helping the passing or running game either. So as far as who starts at QB? I admit defeat, I'm at a total loss, I just don't know, and being a Viking fan for 40+ years, this isnt the first time they have me totally baffled. Don't know if you have seen any of the Viking games this year, but if you have, what are a rival fans thoughts?
This season I've only seen parts of Viking games while at sports bar while watching Packer games. Nothing I've seen of the Viking QBs changes my impressions of any of them. Their stats and records haven't impressed me either. From what I have seen of Cassel, Freeman and Ponder in previous seasons I think Freeman has the most talent and potential. However, none of them are consistent enough. And as you say, Freeman lacks familiarity with the offense and players. He apparently doesn't have the greatest work ethic either. I guess if I was coach and Ponder was healthy I would play him. A healthy starter shouldn't lose his job unless he gets outplayed or the team decides it's time to make a change for change's sake. Ponder hasn't been clearly outplayed and I doubt that the Vikings are ready to make a QB change right now. Perhaps when Freeman gets more acclimated or near the end of the season to find what Freeman might be able to contribute and to see if they want to keep him beyond this season.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#1726 Oct 13, 2013
Bleeds Purple wrote:
Rest assured the Vikings will be the team to give the Giants their first win.No doubt about it.
Your tone has changed a bit. Reality might bite, but it's better to see it than to ignore it.
40for60

Duluth, MN

#1727 Oct 13, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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How is anything ruined by bringing me up? Does my being right all of the time ruin things for you? Come on man! It can't be any worse than how the Vikings ruin things for you. ROFLMAO
Somehow, it would seem that you are the only one impressed by you. Maybe you can build on that.
40for60

Duluth, MN

#1728 Oct 13, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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Isn't it odd that I'm the one that gets accused of making predictions? In fact, I rarely do. The experts and eric and you make predictions, yet it seems to piss people off more that I point it out than if I actually made the predictions myself. It's weird.
You must mean like how you predicted a Super Bowl win for GB last year in July?
And of course you are always right, lol.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#1729 Oct 13, 2013
40for60 wrote:
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You must mean like how you predicted a Super Bowl win for GB last year in July?
And of course you are always right, lol.
You must be referring to when you insisted that I pick a Super Bowl winner before the season. I had repeated many times that such predictions were meaningless to me. But you kept whining like the little bitch that you are. So I picked the favorite, which I believe was the Patriots. You knew the prediction meant nothing. I knew at the time it must be a sad pathetic attempt by a whiny loser to have a "gotcha" moment. Ever since then you have proven that I was right over and over again. What is it like to live such a sad pathetic life? What keeps losers like you from offing yourselves?
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#1730 Oct 13, 2013
40for60 wrote:
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Somehow, it would seem that you are the only one impressed by you. Maybe you can build on that.
Jealous much? I used to think you were only envious of my team. It's so much more enjoyable knowing how much it gets to you that I was right about your team. Wouldn't you love to be right about the Vikings? A least once in your life? ROFLMAO
Packer Backer WichitaKs

Wichita, KS

#1731 Oct 14, 2013
eric wrote:
<quoted text>The Ravens bomb was inexcusable! NO WAY IN HELL should a safety be playing so close to the other safety AND that close to the line of scrimmage and allow a WR to get passed him,( granted he tripped but do you really think that would have made a difference?)Damn good thing Rodgers made a few nice throws late,Finley actualy caught the damn ball ( although the dumb ass went out and killed the clock instead of staying in and make Balt. use a T.O.) and great thing Lacy finished off a great day with a great ending! Putting the game away and ive been waiting for a year to see the Packers do that! Pound the freaking ball,a few long time eating drives and bury the game away like they did.
BY THE WAY>...MJS mentioned or reported that James Jones and Randall Cobb's injuries may not be as bad as they originally thought it was
What pisses me off is when the Packers go to a 3-man rush in long yardage situations. All game they had been putting descent pressure on Flacco and then quit doing it. If you give any QB enough time he will find an open receiver. Never have been a big fan of the "prevent" defense. That being said, a very good effort by the defense yesterday. Hopefully, the injuries to Cobb and Jones aren't season enders. Next man up and let's go, maybe find and Andre Rison-type again. By the way, where is our little buddy Ezg/Viking Nation buddy? Vikings go in the tank and the little liar crawls in a hole hides? Come on, Ezg/VN, show yourself and take your medicine. Don't come out if the Vikings win a game. If you were a true fan of the Vikings we would be hearing from you.
Spielman

United States

#1732 Oct 14, 2013
Looking forward to watching Freeman stink up the field next...

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#1733 Oct 14, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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Is this your way of saying that THE problem is coaching? Do you really think a coaching change will make everything right with the Vikings? Are the Vikings good at every position? If not, are you okay with the GM?
Coaching makes a helluva difference. Look at this years Patriots 5-1. Bellichek consistently finds talent through free agency and the draft. He's excellent at finding players who can play in his system. Hell everyone said the Vikings had no recievers last year (even with Harvin) Brady has no recievers yet he finds a way to win........

If I remember correctly. The pack didnt have a great year the year they let Sherman go. I dont think anyone was expecting to much from them when McCarthy came in, and he turned the team around right away.

I think the Vikes have to much talent to be 1-4. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. They cant stop any offense with the defense they play. To much talent, It has to be coaching. On the offensive side? Somethings wrong when you cant score a TD until garbage time on the Panthers. JMO..........
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#1736 Oct 14, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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Coaching makes a helluva difference. Look at this years Patriots 5-1. Bellichek consistently finds talent through free agency and the draft. He's excellent at finding players who can play in his system. Hell everyone said the Vikings had no recievers last year (even with Harvin) Brady has no recievers yet he finds a way to win........
If I remember correctly. The pack didnt have a great year the year they let Sherman go. I dont think anyone was expecting to much from them when McCarthy came in, and he turned the team around right away.
I think the Vikes have to much talent to be 1-4. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. They cant stop any offense with the defense they play. To much talent, It has to be coaching. On the offensive side? Somethings wrong when you cant score a TD until garbage time on the Panthers. JMO..........
You aren't comparing the Vikings to the Patriots, are you? Do you really think the Vikings are the same as the Patriots if they had Bill Belichick? Belichick was a head coach in the NFL BEFORE the Patriots. Guess what? He was fired after racking up a 36–44 record.

However, I do agree that coaching makes a difference. The Patriot's may have Bill Belickick but they also have Tom Brady, and an organization that is run well and drafts well. Do you think Leslie Frazier (or any new Viking coach) will have what Belichick has with the Patriots?

BTW you don't remember Sherman correctly. Nothing needed to be "turned around" from the Sherman years. Mike Sherman's first 5 seasons (as coach and GM) were all winning seasons. He had a 53-27 record, his .663 winning percentage was second only to Vince Lombardi, the Packers made the playoffs 4 straight seasons and won the division 3 straight seasons!

In 2005 the Packers brought in Ted Thompson as GM. He kept Sherman one year in which the the Packers went 4-12! Ted fired Sherman and brought in his own "guy" as head coach which many GMs do. Then it took Ted and McCarthy a few years to return the Packers to the kind of success the Packers had under Wolf/Holmgren and Sherman. Sherman (as coach) wasn't THE problem. Mike Sherman as GM was THE problem if you want to put blame on one thing. I've never been a fan of one person holding both positions. So I was okay with Sherman losing the GM position. Once a new GM came in, Sherman was soon to be gone. I was actually surprised Thompson let him stay a season, but as it turned out Ted used that to his advantage. He then had a ready excuse for "rebuilding" a winning program. So it was kinda brilliant! But neither Thompson or McCarthy turned things around right away. Unless you call taking a team to LESS success as "turning them around right away." The success the Packers NOW enjoy under McCarthy and Thompson took awhile to create.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#1737 Oct 14, 2013
Think about it. Bill Belichick got a second chance after his disasterous stint in Cleveland. Mike Sherman has not gotten a second chance as a head coach in the NFL even though he had tremendous success as an NFL "coach" and has continued to have good success as a coach ever since. Mike Sherman is currently the offensive coordinator of one this season's surprise teams, the Miami Dolphins! The Vikings could do much worse than to sign Sherman as head coach.
GBPfan

Colorado Springs, CO

#1738 Oct 14, 2013
Packer Backer WichitaKs wrote:
<quoted text>What pisses me off is when the Packers go to a 3-man rush in long yardage situations. All game they had been putting descent pressure on Flacco and then quit doing it. If you give any QB enough time he will find an open receiver. Never have been a big fan of the "prevent" defense. That being said, a very good effort by the defense yesterday. Hopefully, the injuries to Cobb and Jones aren't season enders. Next man up and let's go, maybe find and Andre Rison-type again. By the way, where is our little buddy Ezg/Viking Nation buddy? Vikings go in the tank and the little liar crawls in a hole hides? Come on, Ezg/VN, show yourself and take your medicine. Don't come out if the Vikings win a game. If you were a true fan of the Vikings we would be hearing from you.
I agree totally about the prevent defense. I was able to keep myself from breaking anything after that 4th and 21. So it coulda been worse! LOL

Don't expect to see Ezg back for the remainder of the season. YEAH! It never fails. Any POS lying scumbag like that invariably proves to also be a coward! Besides, after all of the incredibly STUPID crap he said during the off season, he is better off to stay away from the Packer related threads.
eric

Monroe, WI

#1739 Oct 14, 2013
Packers are bringing up Miles White WR from the practice squad.To bad Charles Johnson left for Cleveland or he would have Rodgers as his qb instead but ( who was to know GB would lose 2 WR 2 days later)
eric

Monroe, WI

#1740 Oct 14, 2013
Myles White...
eric

Monroe, WI

#1741 Oct 14, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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You aren't comparing the Vikings to the Patriots, are you? Do you really think the Vikings are the same as the Patriots if they had Bill Belichick? Belichick was a head coach in the NFL BEFORE the Patriots. Guess what? He was fired after racking up a 36–44 record.
However, I do agree that coaching makes a difference. The Patriot's may have Bill Belickick but they also have Tom Brady, and an organization that is run well and drafts well. Do you think Leslie Frazier (or any new Viking coach) will have what Belichick has with the Patriots?
BTW you don't remember Sherman correctly. Nothing needed to be "turned around" from the Sherman years. Mike Sherman's first 5 seasons (as coach and GM) were all winning seasons. He had a 53-27 record, his .663 winning percentage was second only to Vince Lombardi, the Packers made the playoffs 4 straight seasons and won the division 3 straight seasons!
In 2005 the Packers brought in Ted Thompson as GM. He kept Sherman one year in which the the Packers went 4-12! Ted fired Sherman and brought in his own "guy" as head coach which many GMs do. Then it took Ted and McCarthy a few years to return the Packers to the kind of success the Packers had under Wolf/Holmgren and Sherman. Sherman (as coach) wasn't THE problem. Mike Sherman as GM was THE problem if you want to put blame on one thing. I've never been a fan of one person holding both positions. So I was okay with Sherman losing the GM position. Once a new GM came in, Sherman was soon to be gone. I was actually surprised Thompson let him stay a season, but as it turned out Ted used that to his advantage. He then had a ready excuse for "rebuilding" a winning program. So it was kinda brilliant! But neither Thompson or McCarthy turned things around right away. Unless you call taking a team to LESS success as "turning them around right away." The success the Packers NOW enjoy under McCarthy and Thompson took awhile to create.
I agree with you about Sherman being a very good coach,as a GM,not so much. He made mistakes like everyone else but.IF you do remember we lost Mike Wahle ( LG), Marco Rivera ( RG)( although Dallas overpaid for Marco) but we couldn't afford Wahle as we were up against the cap,in part because Mike signed Joe Johnson to the ridiculous contract, Signed Cledius Hunt and had to let Vonnie Holiday go, and being up against the cap,TT decided to rebuild and i think you will agree,Ted and Co. did a nice job! Hopefully after this year GB wins its 3 straight div.title ( matching Sherman,that you mentioned before) but most important are Championships and unf. Sherman never got us there,we got to the playoffs but not quite over the hump. Sherman would be a great coach in Minn.although i would search for a new GM.( as long as its not Eliot Wolf,hes Ted replacement when Ted retires or gets fired some day) Eliot learned from Dad Ron and from his current boss Ted. Dad like FA and Ted is a drafter,I wonder if Eliot will combined. Ron had a nice combo of draft picks and FA,,TED has a lopsided amount of draft picks and a few ( very well placed ) FA,so it should be interesting to see how Eliot handles things ( unless he gets hired and signed from GB) but seems hes the heir to Ted Thompson but again you never know,why be Ted assistant for another few years when you can run your own show ( unless he really LOVES GB and is willing to sacrifice a season or 2).To bad Mike Holmgren didnt stick around a little longer or he would have been named GM after Ron retired
40for60

Eveleth, MN

#1742 Oct 14, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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You must be referring to when you insisted that I pick a Super Bowl winner before the season. I had repeated many times that such predictions were meaningless to me. But you kept whining like the little bitch that you are. So I picked the favorite, which I believe was the Patriots. You knew the prediction meant nothing. I knew at the time it must be a sad pathetic attempt by a whiny loser to have a "gotcha" moment. Ever since then you have proven that I was right over and over again. What is it like to live such a sad pathetic life? What keeps losers like you from offing yourselves?
Your 'revisionist history' is riddled with inaccuracies, but record wise, expected.
You predicted gb to win their 14th championship during July of 2012, insulting me will not change that.(you can do better grasshopper,'loser','bitch','w hiny'.) You are soooooo predictable.
40for60

Eveleth, MN

#1743 Oct 14, 2013
GBPfan wrote:
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Jealous much? I used to think you were only envious of my team. It's so much more enjoyable knowing how much it gets to you that I was right about your team. Wouldn't you love to be right about the Vikings? A least once in your life? ROFLMAO
You must be forgetting the 3-13 season you said the Vikings would endure last year, right? You must be right at least half of the time, congratulations.

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