Should McCarthy and Thompson Be Forced To Leave GB

[PACKERBACKER57]

normallylikeyellow wrote:

Why do you sign your posts, when your name is displayed already? It's like "a film by" someone I've never heard of. Cowher, Dungy, Ditka, Shula, Landry, Stram, Noll, Madden, Flores were all players and have SB rings. Holmgren and Billick were NFL draftees. Jeff Fisher and George Halas and Dan Reeves played. Shula has more wins than anyone. Halas is 2nd, Landry 3rd, Noll 5th, Marty Schottenheimer (played) is 6th, Reeves is 7th, Bud Grant (played) is 11th. That's 1785 wins. Some weak points for you to refute--blowhard.

Why ask why ? You named the few who played, but were not top end players, you know exactly what I meant and proved my point! All coaches played at some level. The only three you mention that had a stellar career was Landry, Grant, and Halas (with 6 teams in the league).You forgot Curley,Starr,Homgren,Infanti. You must not be a Packer fan if you don't know that.How many coaches have been in the league since it's inception...lets add up their records, knucklehead.What a weak response.You help prove my point !

PB57

[PACKERBACKER57]

superfly wrote:

I must leave this thread now squares. I would like to thank all my readers for there support. as for peckerbutter57.jeramy and gbf, enjoy the azz woopen dallas hands you. and also ya gotta stop with all yhe hate.---- COME ON PEOPLE SMILE ON YOUR BROTHER TRY TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER RIGHt NOW.-you go boo farve, ok? ok. all my love, the super of flymatrie.

THAYYYY WHATTT?

[PACKERBACKER57]

Pack Fan in Sea of Purple wrote:

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Stunning...simply stunning. I feel very sorry for you, and everyone close to you in your life. There is nothing of any value to you, or anything you have posted on this board. Unfortunately, I think it is obvious it is way too late for you.
Back to football. I have no idea what you are actually defending in this thread. Is it as simple as you think TT and MM are doing a good job, and you don't want them removed????Just typing that sentence just made me laugh out loud, do to it's utter insanity. If you actually believe that statement, my only question to you is...how long? How long do you want them to be in control of the best organization in football before you decide that they are driving it into the ground? What has to happen before you change your mind?
I don't know how to put that any more simply. For some reason, I don't think I'll get a legitimate answer from you. And frankly I don't care, life is too short to waste time trying to argue with lunatics. Just as long as you're happy, fiddling while Rome burns, I could care less about you and anything you think. Have a nice day.

YOU MAKE NOPOINTS. BLAH,BLAH,BLAH.A waste of flesh and bones and use of oxygen. Don't bother me ingrate!

PB57

[Pack Fan in Sea of Purple]

PACKERBACKER57 wrote:

<quoted text>YOU MAKE NOPOINTS. BLAH,BLAH,BLAH.A waste of flesh and bones and use of oxygen. Don't bother me ingrate!
PB57

Thank you for proving my point. I knew I was expecting too much from you.

[Danger D]

PACKERBACKER57 wrote:

<quoted text> As a matter of fact most players make poor coaches, but good front office people, I think history "bears" me out if you take the time to read (or can). Why did you use Lawrence as an example...you dabble in the "nose candy", do you ?
PB57

I'll gladly take the time to read. Please present some evidence of your ravings (since it's clearly "a matter of fact"), and I'll read it. Otherwise, shut it.

[normallylikeyell ow]

PACKERBACKER57 wrote:

<quoted text>Why ask why ? You named the few who played, but were not top end players, you know exactly what I meant and proved my point! All coaches played at some level. The only three you mention that had a stellar career was Landry, Grant, and Halas (with 6 teams in the league).You forgot Curley,Starr,Homgren,Infanti. You must not be a Packer fan if you don't know that.How many coaches have been in the league since it's inception...lets add up their records, knucklehead.What a weak response.You help prove my point !
PB57

lol Sure I did. Your exact words: "As a matter of fact most players make poor coaches, but good front office people, I think history "bears" me out if you take the time to read (or can). History does not bear you out.

[GBPfan]

PACKERBACKER57 wrote:

<quoted text>Why ask why ? You named the few who played, but were not top end players, you know exactly what I meant and proved my point! All coaches played at some level. The only three you mention that had a stellar career was Landry, Grant, and Halas (with 6 teams in the league).You forgot Curley,Starr,Homgren,Infanti. You must not be a Packer fan if you don't know that.How many coaches have been in the league since it's inception...lets add up their records, knucklehead.What a weak response.You help prove my point !
PB57

He proved your point? What point? That you raise irrelevant issues? This discussion is about getting rid of the Packer's deadweight. It's not about other coaches and GMs. We know these facts: TT was not a great player and he is a dismal failure as a GM. MM was not a great player and is no better than the talent available to him as a coach.

How does your opinion of other coaches and GMs change the facts? Stop trying to make arguments in favor of TT or MM. None of your arguments make any sense. You embarrass them and yourself.

[answerman]

Danger D wrote:

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I'll gladly take the time to read. Please present some evidence of your ravings (since it's clearly "a matter of fact"), and I'll read it. Otherwise, shut it.

I already tried that a couple of pages back, Danger D. Don't hold your breath... it's not going to happen.

By the way, PB57... it's "HoLmgren" and "InfantE", not "Homgren" and "Infanti". Just a public service announcement.

[PACKERBACKER57]

answerman wrote:

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I already tried that a couple of pages back, Danger D. Don't hold your breath... it's not going to happen.
By the way, PB57... it's "HoLmgren" and "InfantE", not "Homgren" and "Infanti". Just a public service announcement.

You are the answerman. I'm impressed at least one of you mellon-head caught it (I really thought all of you would miss it). I hope TT and MM have a long stay in GB.It will be a win/win. The packers will be doing good and you will be wrong.Even if the Packers do not improve it proves absolutetly nothing as the games are dependant on many things.I am already hearing about the people "blameing" Rodgers, or Grant hitting the hole too slow. Get real and stop trying to blame individuals. Just shut up, watch, and observe maybe you can learn something. When you are constantly talking all that you hear is your own words.

PB57

[PACKERBACKER57]

GBPfan wrote:

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He proved your point? What point? That you raise irrelevant issues? This discussion is about getting rid of the Packer's deadweight. It's not about other coaches and GMs. We know these facts: TT was not a great player and he is a dismal failure as a GM. MM was not a great player and is no better than the talent available to him as a coach.
How does your opinion of other coaches and GMs change the facts? Stop trying to make arguments in favor of TT or MM. None of your arguments make any sense. You embarrass them and yourself.

L.O.L. The only dead weight I know of is you and your non- constructive criticism...just fire, fire again, and quit. You are the type that quit's and takes his football home so no one else can play. Enjoy yourself.

PB57

[GBPfan]

PACKERBACKER57 wrote:

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L.O.L. The only dead weight I know of is you and your non- constructive criticism...just fire, fire again, and quit. You are the type that quit's and takes his football home so no one else can play. Enjoy yourself.
PB57

My criticism is of the poor management that has kept the Packers from winning and making the playoffs regularly as the team used to do prior to TT becoming GM. How is that NOT constructive?

I'm the type that takes my football home? Is that why TT should remain in Green Bay? How are your comments constructive? How do your comments have anything to do with Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, or whether they should stay? Why do you think that you can't make an argument on their behalf? Attacks on other people isn't a reason to retain losing management.

[Jeremy]

GBPfan wrote:

According to the Green Bay Press Gazette:
Packers President Mark Murphy said Monday that he’s disappointed with the team’s 4-4 start, especially Sunday’s shocking loss at Tampa Bay, and wants to make sure “changes” are made.
I guess Mark Murphy is a "fair weather fan" also. He seems to be saying the same thing most of us are saying. The few remaining TT and MM fans don't appear to have Mark Murphy on their side. Too bad, so sad!

I didn't hear that, thanks for the positive post. That is very encouraging news!!!!!! I think this Cowboy game may put fans over the edge, I hate to think the Cowboys are gonna beat us, but I haven't seen anything from the Pack to think otherwise. I hate the Cowboys as much as the Vikings and Bears, but they looked good against the Eagles, I'm a little worried about this game. I hope MM doesn't "work" the team too hard this week.

[Jeremy]

PACKERBACKER57 wrote:

<quoted text>You are the answerman. I'm impressed at least one of you mellon-head caught it (I really thought all of you would miss it). I hope TT and MM have a long stay in GB.It will be a win/win. The packers will be doing good and you will be wrong.Even if the Packers do not improve it proves absolutetly nothing as the games are dependant on many things.I am already hearing about the people "blameing" Rodgers, or Grant hitting the hole too slow. Get real and stop trying to blame individuals. Just shut up, watch, and observe maybe you can learn something. When you are constantly talking all that you hear is your own words.
PB57

I have observed this team, we stink on special teams, the O-line is terrible , and we have no pass rush. You misspelled melon, absolutely, dependent, and blaming, can I be a melon head too?

[PACKERBACKER57]

Jeremy wrote:

<quoted text>I have observed this team, we stink on special teams, the O-line is terrible , and we have no pass rush. You misspelled melon, absolutely, dependent, and blaming, can I be a melon head too?

Thanks for the spell-check (it seems as what I send out doesn't always get on the thread). Anyways, I wasn't referreing to you. You at least are looking at the whole situation and don't have tunnel vision, I respect that.If simple changeing a GM and coach would solve all the Packers problems I'm all for it, I don't think so however.Then again I thoght Starr,Infante, and Sherman were all good coaches with what they had to work with. Do you know the executive board used to have "special" visitors come in the locker room on game day morning to meet and talk with the players while they were getting ready for the game. Holmgren , put a stop to that practice. Like I said before, there is a lot more to it than you, I or the other "chums" on this thread would EVER know !

PB57

[GBPfan]

PB57, we know all that we need to know. The current management team has turned a team that regularly won and made the playoffs into a team that does neither. What Holgren did years ago was good. However, it has no bearing on the current situation. The fact that Starr and Infante may have been good coaches (with what they had to work with) only indicates that the Packers have had poor management in the past. The results back then are the same as now. Those that are incapable of learning from the past are doomed to repeat it. The Packers had to change management back then in order to move forward. The Packers need to change management now in order to move forward. This isn't nearly as mystifying and difficult as you would have people believe.

[Jeremy]

PACKERBACKER57 wrote:

<quoted text>Thanks for the spell-check (it seems as what I send out doesn't always get on the thread). Anyways, I wasn't referreing to you. You at least are looking at the whole situation and don't have tunnel vision, I respect that.If simple changeing a GM and coach would solve all the Packers problems I'm all for it, I don't think so however.Then again I thoght Starr,Infante, and Sherman were all good coaches with what they had to work with. Do you know the executive board used to have "special" visitors come in the locker room on game day morning to meet and talk with the players while they were getting ready for the game. Holmgren , put a stop to that practice. Like I said before, there is a lot more to it than you, I or the other "chums" on this thread would EVER know !
PB57

But we sure like to think we know everything. That is the fun part about being a fan, now if GB could start winning, that would even be better.

[Mike Ditka]

At least when the Bears and the Packers play somebody will win

[PACKERBACKER57]

GBPfan wrote:

PB57, we know all that we need to know. The current management team has turned a team that regularly won and made the playoffs into a team that does neither. What Holgren did years ago was good. However, it has no bearing on the current situation. The fact that Starr and Infante may have been good coaches (with what they had to work with) only indicates that the Packers have had poor management in the past. The results back then are the same as now. Those that are incapable of learning from the past are doomed to repeat it. The Packers had to change management back then in order to move forward. The Packers need to change management now in order to move forward. This isn't nearly as mystifying and difficult as you would have people believe.

I'll agree to disagree, at least for now.I just remember Ray Rhoades (sp?) and how quick they pulled the trigger. It was good for the organization at that time (even though I thought they just wanted to get the "stigma" of never hiring a black coach off their backs). Since then I have had more faith, that if it needs to be done they will do it.When they cut two defensive backs (safeties), which they needed at both respective times (Rouse - who I thought had promise and I beileve Johnson ? who they had picked up in free agency and showed well)I felt their must be more to it than we know. Either locker room cancer, off field problems, or just a lack of dicipline. I do know that when someone becomes a play maker so to speak that often times they are out of position. When a team practises a defense during the week,then they face the other team in the game if a player is out scheme sometimes "lucky" things happen. Maybe that was happening with these two ??Many interceptions are the fault of the wide receiver turning the wrong way or cutting a pattern short.That's what makes football fun, is trying to learn the game that is constantly changeing, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse.

PB57

[PACKERBACKER57]

Mike Ditka wrote:

At least when the Bears and the Packers play somebody will win

AMEN MIKE !

[PACKERBACKER57]

Jeremy wrote:

<quoted text>But we sure like to think we know everything. That is the fun part about being a fan, now if GB could start winning, that would even be better.

I couldn't agree more...lets hope we have "more" fun this season and finish strong here the second half.

PB57