Baltimore Ravens' Matt Birk rants against gay marriage based on 'Catholic values' - Last Word

Oct 1, 2012 Full story: www.metroweekly.com 153

Matt Birk of the Baltimore Ravens football team wrote publicly about his disdain for gay and lesbian marriage rights on Sunday, Sept. 30. His opinion piece appeared in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Calling marriage a "sacred institution," Birk claimed that, "as a Christian," he believed that man-woman marriage is "privileged and recognized" in order for children to be raised in stable homes.

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“NOW will ya give me”

Since: Sep 12

some fightin' room ? !

#1 Oct 1, 2012
Another case to prove my point I often state here. The Roman Catholic Church, and many lay Catholics simply do NOT BELIEVE IN FREEDOM OF RELIGION.

THAT is UNAMERICAN.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#2 Oct 1, 2012
If marriage had anything to do with raising children in a stable home, he MIGHT have a point there. But since it doesn't, he's nuts.
Junior Esquire

El Segundo, CA

#3 Oct 1, 2012
Plus i'm sure that Matt Birk and the rest of the NFL players were tired of Chris Kluwe making the whole NFL look gay.
Thunderfarts

United States

#4 Oct 1, 2012
Was Sandusky chatholic...
Junior Esquire

El Segundo, CA

#5 Oct 1, 2012
eJohn wrote:
If marriage had anything to do with raising children in a stable home, he MIGHT have a point there. But since it doesn't, he's nuts.
Sounds like something "Lacez" would say.
The MAIN purpose of marriage is and always has been to provide a stable home for raising children.
So the next gay post is going to say: well, what about the couple that can't have children?
Then i'm going tp reply: Yes, what about it? We're not talking about exceptions, we're talking about the rule.

BTW, "stable" doesn't mean like in the Groundhog Day sense, it means: 1 man + 1 woman.
Junior Esquire

El Segundo, CA

#6 Oct 1, 2012
Thunderfarts wrote:
Was Sandusky chatholic...
Nope. Just queer.
disgusted american

Philadelphia, PA

#7 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
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Nope. Just queer.
he Is/was Catholic , Married, and a PEDOPHILE.....like alot of the RCC preist - want society to devolve....beleive in religion
Junior Esquire

El Segundo, CA

#8 Oct 1, 2012
disgusted american wrote:
<quoted text>he Is/was Catholic , Married, and a PEDOPHILE.....like alot of the RCC preist - want society to devolve....beleive in religion
A lot of homosexual men marry women, quite often to have children. Then when the last child is grown, they proclaim: "I have come to the conclusion that I am gay, and I can no longer live a lie." and expect the wife and kids to engage him in a group hug while singing kum ba yah.
Then the devastated wife and kids watch from the window as he drives off to complete his metamorpohsis into a true homosexual.
John E

Detroit, MI

#9 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
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A lot of homosexual men marry women, quite often to have children. Then when the last child is grown, they proclaim: "I have come to the conclusion that I am gay, and I can no longer live a lie." and expect the wife and kids to engage him in a group hug while singing kum ba yah.
Then the devastated wife and kids watch from the window as he drives off to complete his metamorpohsis into a true homosexual.
Proof to back up your claims, please.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#11 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
A lot of homosexual men marry women, quite often to have children. Then when the last child is grown, they proclaim: "I have come to the conclusion that I am gay, and I can no longer live a lie." and expect the wife and kids to engage him in a group hug while singing kum ba yah.
Then the devastated wife and kids watch from the window as he drives off to complete his metamorpohsis into a true homosexual.
So we see that marriage is NOT necessarily about providing a stable home... not when a person is improperly pigeonholed into a life that does not suit them. Such men (or women) should be encouraged early on to embrace who they are, so they do NOT drag anyone else into a lie of a life. Gay people should be allowed and encouraged to marry other gay people. Otherwise, straight people may be pulled into something unexpected and unwanted. That's the legacy of asking people to "hide" who they are.

EVERYONE in a family, including the children, will be happier, healthier, and more well-adjusted, when openness and honesty are encouraged, when committment is heartfelt and unpressured.

There will always be homes with children, which are headed by same-sex couples. Banning gay marriage will not change that fact. It will only ROB those homes of the very stability that the ROBBERS THEMSELVES claim is so important to home life.

DNF

““Be guided by principles..."”

Since: Apr 07

Baltimore

#13 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
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Sounds like something "Lacez" would say.
The MAIN purpose of marriage is and always has been to provide a stable home for raising children.
So the next gay post is going to say: well, what about the couple that can't have children?
Then i'm going tp reply: Yes, what about it? We're not talking about exceptions, we're talking about the rule.
BTW, "stable" doesn't mean like in the Groundhog Day sense, it means: 1 man + 1 woman.
You are free to spout your pet theories. But they aren't facts.

Traditional marriage has always been about insuring the consolidation of wealth and property within a family unit.

But if you want to make the "Sanctity of Holy Matrimony" nothing more than "Bless us Father so we can breed like chickens" don't count me in as one of your supporters.

My parents marriage was about more than just producing 7 children.

So I'd appreciate you not insulting my dead mother anymore. She was an amazing woman, not a brood cow.

DNF

““Be guided by principles..."”

Since: Apr 07

Baltimore

#14 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
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A lot of homosexual men marry women, quite often to have children. Then when the last child is grown, they proclaim: "I have come to the conclusion that I am gay, and I can no longer live a lie." and expect the wife and kids to engage him in a group hug while singing kum ba yah.
Then the devastated wife and kids watch from the window as he drives off to complete his metamorpohsis into a true homosexual.
A lot of heterosexual men don't take responsibility for the children they father. Just watch a week of Maury Povich.

Then come back and we'll both condemn every straight guy that ever lived.

It makes as much sense as what you are doing.

Since: Apr 08

Chagrin Falls, OH

#15 Oct 1, 2012
If childless heterosexual couples are allowed legal marriage even though they're the "exception to the rule of marriage=children" then there is no reason in the world why same-sex couples should be denied legal marriage. Same-sex couples who are raising kids, and same-sex couples who are not raising kids, are just another "exception" and can't logically be excluded.
Doris

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Oct 1, 2012
EdmondWA wrote:
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... not when a person is improperly pigeonholed into a life that does not suit them. Such men (or women) should be encouraged early on to embrace who they are, so they do NOT drag anyone else into a lie of a life.
How early? Encourage little kids to be homosexuals before 8 or it's too late?

DNF

““Be guided by principles..."”

Since: Apr 07

Baltimore

#17 Oct 1, 2012
Doris wrote:
<quoted text>How early? Encourage little kids to be homosexuals before 8 or it's too late?
Wow PLEASE tell us what is so fabulous about being gay in your mind that an 8 year old would jump at the chance to try it.
Junior Esquire

El Segundo, CA

#18 Oct 1, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>A lot of heterosexual men don't take responsibility for the children they father. Just watch a week of Maury Povich.
Then come back and we'll both condemn every straight guy that ever lived.
It makes as much sense as what you are doing.
Did you reply to the wrong post?
My post wasn't about the quality of fathers.
My post was about being deceitful about your sexual orientation and entering into a marriage with an ulterior motive. The gay propensity for rationalization facilitates such behavior.
Junior Esquire

El Segundo, CA

#19 Oct 1, 2012
Doris wrote:
<quoted text>How early? Encourage little kids to be homosexuals before 8 or it's too late?
The converse is true also. A kid who is on the fence, or confused about his orientation, must be knocked of the fence at an early age. That is why the new California law banning Conversion Therapy for teenagers is problematic.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#20 Oct 1, 2012
Doris wrote:
How early? Encourage little kids to be homosexuals before 8 or it's too late?
There's no such thing as "encouraging" someone to be homosexual. Either they are or they aren't. You can only encourage them to be happy with who they are.

As for what age, that would take some research into the subject, something that many people prefer to block entirely. For them, "never" is the right time. They (somehow) think they're doing kids a good service by simply assuming that everyone around them is straight, and vocally proclaiming that anyone different is an evil destructive deviant.

This attitude does absolutely nothing for kids who ARE growing up with the realization that they are gay. These kids are surrounded by supposedly "trusted loved ones", but they already know that they can't talk about what troubles them. They are surrounded by peers who are different, and they already feel like outsiders. They already worry that they'll be thrown out of their homes if they are open and honest. They already worry about their safety. I know they worry about these things, because I worried about the same things.

I think it would be a good thing to help these kids learn who they are, how they can grow up to be well-adjusted adults, and to let them know that they are welcomed in civilized society, even if they're gay.

Most schools peg sex-ed at around 5th or 6th grade. In a society that is finally learning that gay people are among them, that sounds like the perfect time to teach it.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#21 Oct 1, 2012
Doris wrote:
<quoted text>How early? Encourage little kids to be homosexuals before 8 or it's too late?
No no! That is the STR8's saying...you can keep it! Talking about men with girls.

DNF

““Be guided by principles..."”

Since: Apr 07

Baltimore

#22 Oct 1, 2012
Junior Esquire wrote:
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Did you reply to the wrong post?
My post wasn't about the quality of fathers.
My post was about being deceitful about your sexual orientation and entering into a marriage with an ulterior motive. The gay propensity for rationalization facilitates such behavior.
"The gay propensity for rationalization facilitates such behavior"?

You're a trip. You see a child with a bruise on it's arm and blame the bruise for the action of the adult that put it there.

Now do you know how I figured out you were an attorney? And a bad one at that?

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