The biggest reason SF is in XLVII

The biggest reason SF is in XLVII

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Alex Marvez is a Senior NFL Writer for FOXSports.com. He has covered the NFL for the past 17 seasons as a beat writer and is the former president of the Pro Football Writers of America.

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“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#47 Feb 4, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>San Francisco plays the 4-3? Then maybe their linebackers need to get into better shape, because you can't have 3 GAMES, against explosive offences, and give up so many points, and expect to win each and every one of those games.

As for the safeties, if San Francisco is playing the 4-3, or the 3-4, you STILL have 4 players in the secondary, and even if you have 2 Pro Bowlers back there, you still have either 1 or 2 others that are either not pulling their weight, or should be shipped out. YOU take a look at the team, and as the General Manager of the San Francisco 49ers, you tell me who stays, and who goes in San Francisco's back 7 or 8, alright? Just outline their positions when you show who is staying or who is going, based on either the 3-4 formation or the 4-3 formation.

If you get it right, the San Francisco 49ers franchise owes you a party at your house, and they should bring you on as a scout for their team, and free season tickets for 4 people, as long as you keep San Francisco winning...deal?

;)
Also They could use depth at outside linebacker (right and left)so they can have fresh legs rush the qb when the starters are gassed
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#48 Feb 4, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
No you don't just throw your hands up. You judge each play on it own content. Those 2 plays were very different. It may not seem that way to a novice. Roddy white was under 5 yards down field. Crabtree was past 5. Bowman was not grabbing. Bal. DB WAS holding. You can't even compare the 2
Ball was in the air, White was poised to catch that ball, Bowman is NOT allowed to contact a player that isn't facing him, as White was turned to FACE the ball, and was about a foot away from Bowman, Bowman made contact with White BEFORE the ball got there, that would be a CLEAR pass interference call, if you want to get technical, but hey...pass interference envelops MORE than just holding, The_Solution...it also envelops illegal contact (in which that play that Bowman contacted White was AT LEAST that), where the illegal contact HINDERS the offensive player from catching the ball (pass interference)!

Glad that you learned something today. Now, where did that blown call rob San Francisco of 7 POINTS again (not 2, not 3, but 7 POINTS, The_Solution)? Remember, even with a penalty, San Francisco had to EARN that 7 POINTS...they just didn't do it...END POINT...GAME OVER!

I am just as disappointed as you are, but there is hope next year for San Francisco...next time, the coaches hopefully won't call passing plays that close to the goal line, and hopefully, if the coaches do, then Kaepernick will have enough sense to change the call, and take control of the game, like the special elite quarterback that he will be next year, in hopes that he will lead San Francisco to their next Super Bowl, and several more in the years to come (sure that the Ravens may get 1 or 2 more, but it looks like San Francisco's got the league now)!

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#49 Feb 4, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>And the blown calls were ONLY in favour of Baltimore...that is what you want everybody to believe, The_Solution? It is a conspiracy to keep the Super Bowl championship away from San Francisco? It's the New Orleans screw job, much like the Montreal screw job that gave the WWF title to Shawn Michaels over Bret Hart all over again, except with the Vince Lombardi trophy getting snatched from San Francisco, and given to a less deserving team like Baltimore?

GIVE IT A REST, The_Solution! I told you to PLACE this 'blown call' on a priority list of the ones that I listed in a PREVIOUS comment, and tell me where you think that that 'blown call' rates in IMPORTANCE where it came to San Francisco losing. I didn't say that the blown call wasn't A factor...I'm just saying that it was almost a non-factor, as there are MANY OTHER FACTORS that kept San Francisco from winning the Super Bowl, and they only have themselves to blame!
1. Turnovers
2. Penalties.(Those committed by SF)
3. Missed calls*
4. Last possession play calling
5. Blown coverages
6. Missed tackles

*#29 Carrie Williams pushes a ref and was not ejected or flagged. It should have been an automatic ejection. I can show you video if you want. Missed Kaepernick facemask. And the last 2 holds of the game.

To answer an earlier question I saw a possible late hit on flaaco that could have been called
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#51 Feb 4, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
SF plays the 3-4. I think the problem is SF keeps their starting 11 on the field even when the offense brings in extra WR's. So they end up with a line backer covering a WR. That also makes the starters way more tired throughout the game. I saw a stat that said SF starting 11 played 90% of all plays this year, which was by far the most in the NFL. So I think they need to use 3 to 4 CB packages a little more. I think the #1Cornerback Rodgers needs to go. I think the #3 cb culliver needs to move to #4 and a new #3 be brought in.
So, the reserve tackles and linebackers are suitable enough for the San Francisco 49ers? It seems as if Jim Harbaugh needs to take that stat of his starting 11 playing 90% of the defensive plays into account! That is just not a feasible stat, in a game like the one that they played yesterday! You need good (not phenomenal, but good) reserve tackles, linebackers and safeties to be able to come in and keep their defence strong and fresh!

Lord knows what would happen to San Francisco if a team decided to simply run hurry up offence against them. Atlanta nearly had San Francisco...thank goodness that San Francisco was able to force turnovers in that game!

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#52 Feb 4, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever you say, kid...still doesn't automatically give San Francisco A TOUCHDOWN for a penalty. THAT'S what I'm trying to get through to you. There's no saying that IF the call was made, that San Francisco was going to win that game...but hey...try to say yes, as my next comment is prepared for your ignorant arse!

:D
If it was p.i it would be on the 1. Holding puts them at 2.5. 4 plays from either most likely wins

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#53 Feb 4, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>Ball was in the air, White was poised to catch that ball, Bowman is NOT allowed to contact a player that isn't facing him, as White was turned to FACE the ball, and was about a foot away from Bowman, Bowman made contact with White BEFORE the ball got there, that would be a CLEAR pass interference call, if you want to get technical, but hey...pass interference envelops MORE than just holding, The_Solution...it also envelops illegal contact (in which that play that Bowman contacted White was AT LEAST that), where the illegal contact HINDERS the offensive player from catching the ball (pass interference)!

Glad that you learned something today. Now, where did that blown call rob San Francisco of 7 POINTS again (not 2, not 3, but 7 POINTS, The_Solution)? Remember, even with a penalty, San Francisco had to EARN that 7 POINTS...they just didn't do it...END POINT...GAME OVER!

I am just as disappointed as you are, but there is hope next year for San Francisco...next time, the coaches hopefully won't call passing plays that close to the goal line, and hopefully, if the coaches do, then Kaepernick will have enough sense to change the call, and take control of the game, like the special elite quarterback that he will be next year, in hopes that he will lead San Francisco to their next Super Bowl, and several more in the years to come (sure that the Ravens may get 1 or 2 more, but it looks like San Francisco's got the league now)!
So of that is a penalty then why wouldn't a qb just throw at a WR every time he was being pressed? Answer that

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

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#54 Feb 4, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>So, the reserve tackles and linebackers are suitable enough for the San Francisco 49ers? It seems as if Jim Harbaugh needs to take that stat of his starting 11 playing 90% of the defensive plays into account! That is just not a feasible stat, in a game like the one that they played yesterday! You need good (not phenomenal, but good) reserve tackles, linebackers and safeties to be able to come in and keep their defence strong and fresh!

Lord knows what would happen to San Francisco if a team decided to simply run hurry up offence against them. Atlanta nearly had San Francisco...thank goodness that San Francisco was able to force turnovers in that game!
The reserve MLB Grant is good. They have one good reserve tackle so they could use another 1 or 2 solids ones. They have one solid reserve safety so the could use another one of them too I guess
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#55 Feb 4, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Turnovers
2. Penalties.(Those committed by SF)
3. Missed calls*
4. Last possession play calling
5. Blown coverages
6. Missed tackles
*#29 Carrie Williams pushes a ref and was not ejected or flagged. It should have been an automatic ejection. I can show you video if you want. Missed Kaepernick facemask. And the last 2 holds of the game.
To answer an earlier question I saw a possible late hit on flaaco that could have been called
You actually surprise me, because I totally saw San Francisco's resurgence after the lights came back on as something that made me forget about the score of penalties that San Francisco took in the game, which I believe was A BIG FACTOR!

Alright...I would put it this way, and the reason I would put it this way, is because of the chronological order of the game, factored in with importance of each reason of San Francisco's demise, based on intensity...

1. Terrible playcalling, where it came to forcing the run, that the defence wasn't giving San Francisco
2. PENALTIES against San Francisco
3. Inability to contain Anquan Boldon early/sloppy coverage (Jacoby Jones touchdown)
4. Not going back to successful plays that WORKED against the Ravens' defence, the intermediate pass, that caught linebackers like Ray Lewis flatfooted (arguably one of Ray Lewis's WORST games of the season, and maybe of his whole career), and gave openings for Crabtree and Davis to carve up the Ravens' back 7!*********
5. MISSED CALLS
6. TERRIBLE SPECIAL TEAMS (absolute KILLER...another Jacoby Jones touchdown)
7. Randy Moss
8. LAST POSSESSION PLAY CALLING (everybody on San Francisco has to take responsibility for that one!)

As for each one above, the importance I would give them is basically in the same order, except moving 8 and blending it in with reason 1, while taking reason 6 and blending it in with reason 3, and then moving 3 to number 2 and 2 to number 3. I hope that isn't all that confusing for you.
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#56 Feb 4, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
If it was p.i it would be on the 1. Holding puts them at 2.5. 4 plays from either most likely wins
But then, there would STILL be a fair bit of time left (maybe 30 seconds, maybe more), and Baltimore has 3 TIMEOUTS, and a hot quarterback, and would only need a field goal to WIN, or to tie (provided that San Francisco SUCCESSFULLY converted the 2 point convert)...you didn't think of THAT, did you???
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#57 Feb 4, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
So of that is a penalty then why wouldn't a qb just throw at a WR every time he was being pressed? Answer that
There is the premise that the referee rules on the CATCHABILITY of a ball...if the referee figures that a quarterback simply threw in that direction, but the receiver couldn't make a play on the ball, it is either ruled a throwaway, or it could be seen as intentional grounding. USUALLY, the referee will just keep the flag in his/her pocket, and act as if nothing wrong happened at all.

Not saying that it is right, but sometimes, what can you do?

Was it a bad call? I could say yes. COULD that bad call have been avoided, by a more aggressive play call by San Francisco? MOST DEFINITELY! This is why I don't look on that blown call as being as egregious to the outcome of the game, as say the ruling where the Arizona Cardinals lost the Super Bowl to the Pittsburgh Steelers, simply because the refs ruled that Santonio Holmes got both feet in, which I, to this day, can't say that he did, through any videotape evidence that I have seen so far.
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#58 Feb 4, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
The reserve MLB Grant is good. They have one good reserve tackle so they could use another 1 or 2 solids ones. They have one solid reserve safety so the could use another one of them too I guess
You REALLY want that scout job, that afterparty at your house next year, and those season tickets, don't you, The_Solution? LOL!

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#59 Feb 4, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>You actually surprise me, because I totally saw San Francisco's resurgence after the lights came back on as something that made me forget about the score of penalties that San Francisco took in the game, which I believe was A BIG FACTOR!

Alright...I would put it this way, and the reason I would put it this way, is because of the chronological order of the game, factored in with importance of each reason of San Francisco's demise, based on intensity...

1. Terrible playcalling, where it came to forcing the run, that the defence wasn't giving San Francisco
2. PENALTIES against San Francisco
3. Inability to contain Anquan Boldon early/sloppy coverage (Jacoby Jones touchdown)
4. Not going back to successful plays that WORKED against the Ravens' defence, the intermediate pass, that caught linebackers like Ray Lewis flatfooted (arguably one of Ray Lewis's WORST games of the season, and maybe of his whole career), and gave openings for Crabtree and Davis to carve up the Ravens' back 7!*********
5. MISSED CALLS
6. TERRIBLE SPECIAL TEAMS (absolute KILLER...another Jacoby Jones touchdown)
7. Randy Moss
8. LAST POSSESSION PLAY CALLING (everybody on San Francisco has to take responsibility for that one!)

As for each one above, the importance I would give them is basically in the same order, except moving 8 and blending it in with reason 1, while taking reason 6 and blending it in with reason 3, and then moving 3 to number 2 and 2 to number 3. I hope that isn't all that confusing for you.
On that first SF drive they had an illegal formation that took away the 20 yard Vernon Davis play. They then didn't move the ball an inch on the drive. I think that messed up there momentum for the first half. They had an off sides that our Bal from a 3 and 8 to a 3rd and 3. A facemask put them in the red zone. On 3rd and 10 A P.I on culliver gave them a first. The penalties Hurt a lot. Also SF had flaco and the running backs in the back field but missed the tackles about 5 or 6 times in the game which is not like the niners

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#60 Feb 4, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>But then, there would STILL be a fair bit of time left (maybe 30 seconds, maybe more), and Baltimore has 3 TIMEOUTS, and a hot quarterback, and would only need a field goal to WIN, or to tie (provided that San Francisco SUCCESSFULLY converted the 2 point convert)...you didn't think of THAT, did you???

Very true.

“Justice always prevails”

Since: Jan 12

vacaville

#61 Feb 4, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>You REALLY want that scout job, that afterparty at your house next year, and those season tickets, don't you, The_Solution? LOL!
Lol ill wait and take those season tickets at the new stadium. Those prices are outrageous
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#62 Feb 5, 2013
The_Solution wrote:
<quoted text>
On that first SF drive they had an illegal formation that took away the 20 yard Vernon Davis play. They then didn't move the ball an inch on the drive. I think that messed up there momentum for the first half. They had an off sides that our Bal from a 3 and 8 to a 3rd and 3. A facemask put them in the red zone. On 3rd and 10 A P.I on culliver gave them a first. The penalties Hurt a lot. Also SF had flaco and the running backs in the back field but missed the tackles about 5 or 6 times in the game which is not like the niners
I TOTALLY FORGOT ABOUT THE ILLEGAL FORMATION PENALTY!!! See how those damn lights going out made me forget this key penalty? You will have to excuse me, because I was having Jamaican breakfast, while watching the game on a 24 inch television (no REAL excuse though, but just saying)...

After you mention that ILLEGAL FORMATION penalty, I am inclined to say that the penalties now outweigh any other factors that contributed to San Francisco's loss to the Ravens!
GBPmies

Finland

#63 Feb 5, 2013
eric wrote:
<quoted text>But the ball was in air,so if contact is made before the ball gets there,its Pass Interference no matter how far or short the throw is.
That is true and it was in the air right away, because Kaep had to get rid of it because of the heavy blitz.

That being said when you watch the play Crabtree runs right at the defender and starts the contact, you can also see him trying to push off to get separation. There was a hold for sure but it is better to hold then allow Crabtree to push off and make a play on the ball for the game winner. There was so much contact by both players and the call, or lack there of, could go either way.

On this video I see contact initiated by Crabtree and his attempt to push off followed by the hold.
at 00:37
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday...

Tough call either way, if Crabtree would have been successful in pushing off and made the catch as anyone think there would have been a flag on him? I donít!

holding of defense = YES,
pushing off of Crabtree = YES

Could have gone either way...
Imo it was a good NON call, but if it happened to the Packers I would be PISSED OFF! LOL!
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#64 Feb 5, 2013
GBPmies wrote:
<quoted text>
That is true and it was in the air right away, because Kaep had to get rid of it because of the heavy blitz.
That being said when you watch the play Crabtree runs right at the defender and starts the contact, you can also see him trying to push off to get separation. There was a hold for sure but it is better to hold then allow Crabtree to push off and make a play on the ball for the game winner. There was so much contact by both players and the call, or lack there of, could go either way.
On this video I see contact initiated by Crabtree and his attempt to push off followed by the hold.
at 00:37
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-gameday...
Tough call either way, if Crabtree would have been successful in pushing off and made the catch as anyone think there would have been a flag on him? I donít!
holding of defense = YES,
pushing off of Crabtree = YES
Could have gone either way...
Imo it was a good NON call, but if it happened to the Packers I would be PISSED OFF! LOL!
When I see it from the angle that the tape plays it in, I see that the 'hold' happened BEFORE the ball was there, and before Crabtree got into the end zone, and I DO see the initiated contact by Crabtree (even though the defender was trying to jam Crabtree), and then I DO see the pushoff that you are trying to say that Crabtree was trying to get away with...

That SOLE play DID NOT lose the game for the 49ers...they had SO MANY OTHER PROBLEMS, that I'm sure they will get fixed next year, INCLUDING getting rid of Randy Moss and David Akers! Oh...and send Alex Smith to New York Jets!
GBPmies

Finland

#65 Feb 5, 2013
Blacktigershark wrote:
<quoted text>
When I see it from the angle that the tape plays it in, I see that the 'hold' happened BEFORE the ball was there, and before Crabtree got into the end zone, and I DO see the initiated contact by Crabtree (even though the defender was trying to jam Crabtree), and then I DO see the pushoff that you are trying to say that Crabtree was trying to get away with...
That SOLE play DID NOT lose the game for the 49ers...they had SO MANY OTHER PROBLEMS, that I'm sure they will get fixed next year, INCLUDING getting rid of Randy Moss and David Akers! Oh...and send Alex Smith to New York Jets!
Well now that you put it that way, maybe Crabtree was trying to push off because he was jammed and held while the ball was in the air (it came out quick and he knew he had to try to get to the ball), I could see how it could be viewed that way too.

As for right now I think the 9ers are the best team in NFL, or at least will start the 2013 season that way. I think they are better team than the Ravens just not on that day. This loss will only make them tougher I think and they should as talented if not more talented next year.

There is very good chance the 9ers will get another shot at the Super Bowl next year. They have a great team and Kaep has only started a few games, wait till he gets going he might be very tough to stop, regardless of what formations they use. He has a great arm and looked very accurate when throwing down field. He made some great throws this post season and that says a lot about how he handles himself. I think he is the real deal and when he gets more WR help coming back from injury he will be even more dangerous, Moss should not be starting on any team imo. I will be looking to draft Kaep and Crabtree in FF league next year.
flubs

UK

#66 Feb 5, 2013
GBPmies wrote:
<quoted text>Well now that you put it that way, maybe Crabtree was trying to push off because he was jammed and held while the ball was in the air (it came out quick and he knew he had to try to get to the ball), I could see how it could be viewed that way too.

As for right now I think the 9ers are the best team in NFL, or at least will start the 2013 season that way. I think they are better team than the Ravens just not on that day. This loss will only make them tougher I think and they should as talented if not more talented next year.

There is very good chance the 9ers will get another shot at the Super Bowl next year. They have a great team and Kaep has only started a few games, wait till he gets going he might be very tough to stop, regardless of what formations they use. He has a great arm and looked very accurate when throwing down field. He made some great throws this post season and that says a lot about how he handles himself. I think he is the real deal and when he gets more WR help coming back from injury he will be even more dangerous, Moss should not be starting on any team imo. I will be looking to draft Kaep and Crabtree in FF league next year.
Hello
Blacktigershark

Edmonton, Canada

#67 Feb 5, 2013
GBPmies wrote:
<quoted text>
Well now that you put it that way, maybe Crabtree was trying to push off because he was jammed and held while the ball was in the air (it came out quick and he knew he had to try to get to the ball), I could see how it could be viewed that way too.
As for right now I think the 9ers are the best team in NFL, or at least will start the 2013 season that way. I think they are better team than the Ravens just not on that day. This loss will only make them tougher I think and they should as talented if not more talented next year.
There is very good chance the 9ers will get another shot at the Super Bowl next year. They have a great team and Kaep has only started a few games, wait till he gets going he might be very tough to stop, regardless of what formations they use. He has a great arm and looked very accurate when throwing down field. He made some great throws this post season and that says a lot about how he handles himself. I think he is the real deal and when he gets more WR help coming back from injury he will be even more dangerous, Moss should not be starting on any team imo. I will be looking to draft Kaep and Crabtree in FF league next year.
They also need a field goal kicker...David Akers has got to go...plus I think that if they trade Alex Smith to the Jets, for linebackers, or better yet safeties, then San Francisco would have solved their back 8 defensive problem, and that will make San Francisco UNBEATABLE!

This means that when San Francisco's offence doesn't get out to a quick start, their defence won't be dropping points, because a receiver like Boldon is able to find holes in their defence. It means that the game will remain a close, virtually scoreless game, UNTIL Kaepernick is able to break through and revive his offence to take over the game!

Moss, the underachiever, has GOT TO GO! If you look at Ed Reed's interception, a pass that was intended for Randy Moss, you will see that Randy Moss didn't run that route at 100%(he ran it at like 85%), and then when Randy Moss figured that he couldn't get the ball (he SHOULD have been at least in the lane where that ball was thrown), Moss quit on the ball, allowing Reed an EASY interception. Randy Moss the best wide receiver in the NFL? NEGRO PLEASE!

As I said before, had any other receiver taken Randy Moss's position in that game for the 49ers, the 49ers would have WON the Super Bowl by 17 points...NO DOUBT!

See you on the podium next year, Kaep! Growing pains, kid...growing pains!

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