The power of Tim Tebow has little to do with football

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TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#43 Jan 20, 2012
Laughing Bear Fan wrote:
<quoted text>If Quinn, Orton or Tebow are the answer, I'd hate to know the question. Those were Josh McHoodie's picks/trades. I don't think the QB for the future of the Bronco's is on the roster. I can't see Elway staking his cred on any of them. Orton's gone already, Quinn should go, they should keep Tebow but use him where he's most dangerous, in the red-zone. He has a nose for the end-zone. What about creating a package where a pocket QB moves the team down the field with the understanding once they get inside the red-zone and diffent attack takes the field. Football has remained fairly static, basketball has evolved with a small quick lineup to take the place of the starters when they rest the starters, baseball has evolved with the closer role, football should learn from them because the closer in football is really the red-zone offense. Take advantage of the bend but don't break defenses buy making them bend until they get in the red-zone, then change it up on them. Might work, might not. Thoughts?
A thinking man's offense. I like the idea, but Tebow's teammates probably wouldn't. They've already suffered through Orton and Quinn and would be very upset to have to deal with another QB, especially during crunch time (read: last 5 minutes of a game). They're used to seeing Tebow work his magic and pull out improbable wins with little time left on the clock.

Besides that, who is Denver going to get to run the offense when Tebow is on the sidelines? They haven't had much luck with that sice Plummer left. And, if they do find someone to move the ball 60+ yards, whose to say that that same person wouldn't be just as effective as Tebow in the red-zone?

I think your plan would work if Denver brought in an aging veteran to mentor Tebow. Someone like a Hasselbeck to show him how to prepare for and read pro defenses. I'm betting that's what Elway will do.

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#44 Jan 20, 2012
Laughing Bear Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Of course, He was physically capable but Mentally incapable and most inportantly did not have a dad named Archie so he was doomed. Luck will not be able to run PM's offense, simply won't be ready for that for 5-6 years so a new one will have to be tailored for him AND in the meantime RG3 will be spinning it for a slightly more talented team....So YES Luck will be a bust relative to RG3
I guess this really depends on your definition of "a bust". Was Peyton Manning a bust his first year? How about Cam Newton? They both were record breaking rookies on bad teams. If you measure success by the number of wins, then they were both busts. If you measure success by the offensive output each was responsible for, then they were both resounding successes.

I think we'll have the same dilemma with Luck and RG3. We won't really know how good they are for a couple of years. If I had to make a guess now, I would say that Luck will probably be the more successful of the two, even though I believe they will both do VERY well.

Luck has had the added benefit of being coached in a pro-set system by an outstanding pro quarterback. He's a quick study and has already developed many of the habits, and much of the routine, he will be using on Sundays. Harbaugh can't say enough good things about him.

RG3 is also very talented, but I believe his numbers and success are more a product of the talent around him. If they have a bad game, he has a bad game. Just watch that Baylor/Texas A&M game, then watch the Baylor/TCU game. I think if he ends up in a system with a coach like Harbaugh or Holmgren he will light it up. But if he winds up playing for a Ryan or Reid-like coach we may be talking about what could have been.

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#45 Jan 22, 2012
TMD wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely. Staubach and Young were also very good at keeping defenses honest by scrambling.
The only problem with this is that MLB and safeties have gotten so big and strong, that you have to have a QB that's built like an FB if he is to survive the season playing that way. Even then, sometimes they don't. Cam Newton will learn that next year...
(going off topic here) but is Tressel heading to Indy?

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#46 Jan 22, 2012
Bewitched wrote:
<quoted text>
(going off topic here) but is Tressel heading to Indy?
That's what I would do, but we're talking about Irsay. If he's going to hire Tressel he's taking a very circuitous route to do so. Maybe he's just exercising the due-diligence required by the league for hiring head coaches.

Tressel would seem like the smart pick in lieu of getting a big name coach with pro experience (read: Cowher or Gruden). He already knows the Colts' system (managerial and play calling), and Manning likes him. There's little doubt about his coaching credentials. I think he deserves a shot.

Since: Apr 08

Akron, Ohio

#49 Jan 22, 2012
I wish the Browns had gotten Gruden.

So far, not real thrilled with Shurmur.
Not A Peyton

United States

#50 Jan 23, 2012
Teblow and his inconsistent noodle arm...
Guy Wiliford

Vinita, OK

#51 Jan 23, 2012
T. J. Yates did everything Tebow did this year (and more)and everyone's not all gaga over him.
Laughing Bear Fan

Littleton, CO

#52 Jan 24, 2012
Guy Wiliford wrote:
T. J. Yates did everything Tebow did this year (and more)and everyone's not all gaga over him.
Tebow is a social media phenomenom, a fabrication of twitter, facebook and the newest sensation farcebook. You are right he did more than Tebow but they were both last-string QB's coming out of training camp. Tebow billboarded and flash mob'd his way to a starting gig while yates patiently waited his turn through attrition. Tebow got Orton traded and made a great receiver (Brandon Lloyd) want to quit because he couldn't get the ball to him. He has been exposed as a fraud and the exposure will get amped up next year. It will be fun to watch him and his legion of incompetent followers flame out next year. His 15 minutes are over

“Your Own Peace Prize Inside”

Since: Mar 07

Hyannis, Mass

#53 Jan 24, 2012
Laughing Bear Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Tebow is a social media phenomenom, a fabrication of twitter, facebook and the newest sensation farcebook. You are right he did more than Tebow but they were both last-string QB's coming out of training camp. Tebow billboarded and flash mob'd his way to a starting gig while yates patiently waited his turn through attrition. Tebow got Orton traded and made a great receiver (Brandon Lloyd) want to quit because he couldn't get the ball to him. He has been exposed as a fraud and the exposure will get amped up next year. It will be fun to watch him and his legion of incompetent followers flame out next year. His 15 minutes are over
You present one very twisted version of reality there....
Me thinks you have quite an axe to grind over this Tebow character.
Next, you'll be saying Brady had Bledsoe hurt so he could take over the Patriots....
Laughing Bear Fan

Littleton, CO

#54 Jan 24, 2012
WeElectedABunchOfIdiots wrote:
<quoted text>
You present one very twisted version of reality there....
Me thinks you have quite an axe to grind over this Tebow character.
Next, you'll be saying Brady had Bledsoe hurt so he could take over the Patriots....
Didn't really follow the brady/bledsoe drama but Iimaging there wasa conspiracy theory or two. My axe to grind with Tebow is he didn't earn anything, his mignons rented billboards and started a social media onslaught to coerce the broncos into what he wanted. Perfectly orchestrated yet unearned

“Your Own Peace Prize Inside”

Since: Mar 07

Hyannis, Mass

#55 Jan 24, 2012
Laughing Bear Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Didn't really follow the brady/bledsoe drama but Iimaging there wasa conspiracy theory or two. My axe to grind with Tebow is he didn't earn anything, his mignons rented billboards and started a social media onslaught to coerce the broncos into what he wanted. Perfectly orchestrated yet unearned
I am totally unconvinced that he had anything to do with it.
However a frustrated fan base, tired of the same-old-same-old from the owners, along with a media force hungry for stories pushed a rookie third-stringer as the next coming of the the savior.
The Patriots exposed the Bronco's for what they truly are... second string at best.
Woulda Coulda Shoulda

Littleton, CO

#56 Jan 24, 2012
WeElectedABunchOfIdiots wrote:
<quoted text>
pushed a rookie third-stringer as the next coming of the the savior.
The Patriots exposed the Bronco's for what they truly are... second string at best.
Actualy exposed as frauds. Thanks for whipping them

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#57 Jan 25, 2012
- NFL.com 's Jeff Darlington says the Broncos quarterbacks have a fines system going, and sources told him Tebow was docked money every day that the billboard was up -- a total of six days. He apparently was fined for not speaking out against the billboard.

Tebow's supporters with or without Tebow's consent put up a billboard which created separation and dissension amongst the Bronco's QB's. Tebow, even though he knew what it was doing to Orton and Quinn left it up until he was gifted the starting job.

As far as I'm aware of, this has never been done before as far as a player with no real experience having several billboards put up to force the team to make a decision. Tebow cared nothing for his peers feelings or seniority or for the system. Tebow got what Tebow wanted and to still be in contention for the starting QB job after we've seen how bad he can play is atrocious and the bar has now been dropped to an all time low because of Tebow.

Andy Dalton rookie QB of the Bengals tore it up this year, got his team to the playoffs and people hardly mention him. But Tebow stinks it up game after game and pulls some sandlot junk out of his ass a few times while being an evangelical extremest and he's one of the most talked about people in the world.

If Tebow proclaims no faith, he's got NO FAME. He's just another number.
Osama

Mission Viejo, CA

#58 Jan 25, 2012
tebow is an infidel!!!

“Timshel”

Since: Jan 12

Tulsa, OK

#59 Jan 25, 2012
Tebow never came out publicly and had the billboards removed. Tebow never backed Orton as the starter once in any interview. Tebow never supported Orton when the media was thrashing him. If that was anyone else, wouldn't we be calling that person selfish? Putting him/herself before the team?

I'll give Tebow credit on this, he's driven but, there's a right way and a wrong way to go about getting what you want. Tebow's continued lack of skill as a true QB will do him in. He will be the only reason for his own demise. Being a televangelist 1st and a QB a distant second wont hold water in the NFL for much longer.
Laughing Bear Fan

Littleton, CO

#60 Jan 25, 2012
Osama wrote:
tebow is an infidel!!!
Welcome back Osama. How was your bath?
Osama

Mission Viejo, CA

#61 Jan 25, 2012
Laughing Bear Fan wrote:
<quoted text>Welcome back Osama. How was your bath?
abitsalty

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#62 Jan 25, 2012
_Jusayin_ wrote:
- NFL.com 's Jeff Darlington says the Broncos quarterbacks have a fines system going, and sources told him Tebow was docked money every day that the billboard was up -- a total of six days. He apparently was fined for not speaking out against the billboard.
More wrongheadedness.

It is not Tebow's job or responsibility to correct Broncos fans when they root for the "wrong" player. No where in Tebow's contract does it say he must police the minds or actions of the fans.

Besides that, I'm sure the owner and the NFL were laughing all the way to the bank. Tebowmania drove the game ticket sales, NFL merchandise and TV rating numbers WAY up. No one who owns a business in Denver or Pittsburgh is complaining about the "Tebow effect".

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Tebow's supporters with or without Tebow's consent put up a billboard which created separation and dissension amongst the Bronco's QB's. Tebow, even though he knew what it was doing to Orton and Quinn left it up until he was gifted the starting job.
As far as I'm aware of, this has never been done before as far as a player with no real experience having several billboards put up to force the team to make a decision. Tebow cared nothing for his peers feelings or seniority or for the system. Tebow got what Tebow wanted and to still be in contention for the starting QB job after we've seen how bad he can play is atrocious and the bar has now been dropped to an all time low because of Tebow.
Andy Dalton rookie QB of the Bengals tore it up this year, got his team to the playoffs and people hardly mention him. But Tebow stinks it up game after game and pulls some sandlot junk out of his ass a few times while being an evangelical extremest and he's one of the most talked about people in the world.
If Tebow proclaims no faith, he's got NO FAME. He's just another number.
I guess you must not have read Darlington's article after Tebow and the Broncos won their wild card game:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825d700...

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Tebow never came out publicly and had the billboards removed. Tebow never backed Orton as the starter once in any interview. Tebow never supported Orton when the media was thrashing him. If that was anyone else, wouldn't we be calling that person selfish? Putting him/herself before the team?
I'll give Tebow credit on this, he's driven but, there's a right way and a wrong way to go about getting what you want. Tebow's continued lack of skill as a true QB will do him in. He will be the only reason for his own demise. Being a televangelist 1st and a QB a distant second wont hold water in the NFL for much longer.
How do you support a QB who is 4-14 and asking for a trade? That's all Orton has done for the last year. Hell, the OWNER didn't even back Orton. Nobody was happy with him, and most of the fans (rightfully) wanted him gone. All Tebow did was stay out of it.

How many times have you read anything about Quinn backing Tebow? Did Quinn offer his public support to Tebow at the end of the regular season when the press was attacking him? Does that make Quinn selfish? If so, then why aren't you complaining about him?

TMD

“Look! Up in the sky!”

Since: Dec 06

Columbus, Ohio

#63 Jan 25, 2012
Bewitched wrote:
I wish the Browns had gotten Gruden.
So far, not real thrilled with Shurmur.
I'm not thrilled with the Colts' new hire. They picked Chuck Pagano, the former Ravens DC as their new HC. He knows the defensive side of the ball having served as a DB and LB coach before assuming the role of DC in Baltimore.

He has never coached on the offensive side of the ball, and he likes big, physical 3-4 defenses. The Colts currently have the personnel for a small, fast 4-3 defense. Lots of changes coming.

Pagano also has a history of job-jumping. I don't mean moving up from one job to another. I mean making lots of lateral moves in a very short period of time. His average stay with a team is 2-3 years. Since 1984 he's had 13 defensive jobs, not including this new position with Indy. I wonder how long this new job will last...

Irsay is cleaning house and it's starting to look more and more like Manning is next. Luck better be as good as advertised and have a learning curve as fast as Manning's, or it's going to be a long time before the Colts reach a level even close to what Colts fans have enjoyed over the past ten years.
Tefold

United States

#64 Jan 26, 2012
"The Power of Tim Tebow..." is this a joke...inconsistent noodle arm...

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