Grading the NFC North in the draft: P...

Grading the NFC North in the draft: Packers manage to make themselves even better

There are 169 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 1, 2011, titled Grading the NFC North in the draft: Packers manage to make themselves even better. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The Vikings' draft might not have been the best in the NFC North pound for pound, but it might have the most long-term impact on the division's landscape.

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Whatever

Las Vegas, NV

#1 May 2, 2011
It's bad enough when the random football fan says the Vikings screwed up by passing on Karen Rodgers in 2005. So when a so-called professional sports writer makes the same mistake, I can only shake my head.

They had a healthy Pro-Bowler in Daunte Culpepper when that draft rolled around. Why would they have drafted ANY quarterback in the first round?!? No one could have predicted that he would soon suffer a knee injury that ended his tenure in MN.

Try harder, or I'm taking your job, Fowler.
Randy Moss

Saint Paul, MN

#2 May 2, 2011
Whatever wrote:
It's bad enough when the random football fan says the Vikings screwed up by passing on Karen Rodgers in 2005. So when a so-called professional sports writer makes the same mistake, I can only shake my head.
They had a healthy Pro-Bowler in Daunte Culpepper when that draft rolled around. Why would they have drafted ANY quarterback in the first round?!? No one could have predicted that he would soon suffer a knee injury that ended his tenure in MN.
Try harder, or I'm taking your job, Fowler.
I made Culpepper look good. The man never could hit me in stride, I was always reaching or jumping for it.
Outsidelookingin

Grantsburg, WI

#3 May 2, 2011
"Karen Rodgers." Brilliance already this morning. Gee, let's play the game of turning Vikings players names into girls names. Oh what fun. Go Pack!
the real just another day

Hugo, MN

#4 May 2, 2011
Outsidelookingin wrote:
"Karen Rodgers." Brilliance already this morning. Gee, let's play the game of turning Vikings players names into girls names. Oh what fun. Go Pack!
I'm in. Let's start with the coach, ok.

'Leslie'? W T F is that? Is it Lester, or Charlie? Nope. Leslie. Couldn't make it up if I tried....
Packas Fan

Chanhassen, MN

#5 May 2, 2011
Whatever wrote:
It's bad enough when the random football fan says the Vikings screwed up by passing on Karen Rodgers in 2005. So when a so-called professional sports writer makes the same mistake, I can only shake my head.
They had a healthy Pro-Bowler in Daunte Culpepper when that draft rolled around. Why would they have drafted ANY quarterback in the first round?!? No one could have predicted that he would soon suffer a knee injury that ended his tenure in MN.
Try harder, or I'm taking your job, Fowler.
Truth hurts doesn't it. Remember who the Queens took in '05? Let me remind you: Troy Williamson and Erasmus James. How did that work out for ya?? LOL! Ol'Daunte WorthlessPepper destroyed your team. One of the worst QB's in franchise history. As I've said b4, the Queens have a history of making poor, poor draft choices and this yr is no exception.

On a positive note, lets talk about what this article is really about. The World Champs made themselves even tougher if you can fathom that. Ted Thompson is once again a genius which will make the rest of the division shutter with fear. Good luck ViQueens! LOL!
Vikings Fan

Des Moines, IA

#6 May 2, 2011
I'm happy we passed on Rogers! I wouldn't want kind of guy on my team, ignoring cancer patients in the airport.

I think time will tell on Ponder, you can't jump to conclusions yet. There is no doubt that he won't be the starter this year or even next, we'll groom him behind a McNabb or Hasselbeck. It's not like Rogers just walked in the door and started, he sat behind a legend and learned.

Oh and Packas Fan, you must have nailed it, we've been aweful in the draft.....AP, Greenway, Rice, Harvin.....boy they've just been terrible. Give me a break!
Packas Fan

Chanhassen, MN

#7 May 2, 2011
Vikings Fan wrote:
I'm happy we passed on Rogers! I wouldn't want kind of guy on my team, ignoring cancer patients in the airport.
I think time will tell on Ponder, you can't jump to conclusions yet. There is no doubt that he won't be the starter this year or even next, we'll groom him behind a McNabb or Hasselbeck. It's not like Rogers just walked in the door and started, he sat behind a legend and learned.
Oh and Packas Fan, you must have nailed it, we've been aweful in the draft.....AP, Greenway, Rice, Harvin.....boy they've just been terrible. Give me a break!
Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't want a Super Bowl Championship and a Super Bowl MVP on your team. LOL! AR is one of the most stand up guys on the team. He's quiet in his faith and very modest about his success and fame. He stays grounded and his drive to win fits perfectly with the Packas. He and Gramps Favre obvioulsy don't like each other cuz of Favre's arrogance. But yes, AR was able to learn from him. But he's created his own legacy now.

You don't get it. You end of drafting guys like AP, Green, Rice, and Harvin because it means you sucked the yr before. AP fell in your lap at #7 cuz you don't get that high of a draft pick if you were good the previous yr. Headache Harvin was a gamble and still has ? marks. Greenway was a nice find but he's nothing compared to Claymaker, or even Bishop, Pappinga, or Frank Zombo. Rice is probly gone too. The Vikes have done nothing since drafting those above mentioned players. The NFC Championship a few yrs ago was a fluke and you know it. That why Ted Thompson is light yrs ahead of any other Gen Mgr in the NFL; including Spielman.
Artie

Washington, DC

#8 May 2, 2011
Let's not forget that the Pack will have Ryan Grant coming back from injury as well. They will be a scary team to face.
GO PACK GO

Saint Paul, MN

#9 May 2, 2011
"Oh and Packas Fan, you must have nailed it, we've been aweful in the draft.....AP, Greenway, Rice, Harvin.....boy they've just been terrible. Give me a break!"

Yeah just a couple more star players to add to that empty trophy case, Right??? Only about half of your "star" players were home grown where as the Pack (besides Pickett and Woodson) had all home grown players. You better hope Ponder pans out or the Queens will enjoy another trophy-less decade of football.
GO PACK GO

Saint Paul, MN

#10 May 2, 2011
Packas Fan wrote:
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Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't want a Super Bowl Championship and a Super Bowl MVP on your team. LOL! AR is one of the most stand up guys on the team. He's quiet in his faith and very modest about his success and fame. He stays grounded and his drive to win fits perfectly with the Packas. He and Gramps Favre obvioulsy don't like each other cuz of Favre's arrogance. But yes, AR was able to learn from him. But he's created his own legacy now.
You don't get it. You end of drafting guys like AP, Green, Rice, and Harvin because it means you sucked the yr before. AP fell in your lap at #7 cuz you don't get that high of a draft pick if you were good the previous yr. Headache Harvin was a gamble and still has ? marks. Greenway was a nice find but he's nothing compared to Claymaker, or even Bishop, Pappinga, or Frank Zombo. Rice is probly gone too. The Vikes have done nothing since drafting those above mentioned players. The NFC Championship a few yrs ago was a fluke and you know it. That why Ted Thompson is light yrs ahead of any other Gen Mgr in the NFL; including Spielman.
I agree with most of what you're saying but please don't get too arrogant as a fellow Packer fan. No way is Greenway better than Clay but I would easily take him over the rest of our linebacking corp, especially Poppinga and Zombo. We still have time to gloat(especially to Queens fans) but lets keep things in perspective.
Tom SSP

Minneapolis, MN

#11 May 2, 2011
Vikings needed to take a left OT. Carimi passed over?? We need new linemen that can block. Our $100 million dollar front now have no heart. Favre was constantly running for his life and AP was stopped for more losses than gains. Our linemen should be tearing up defense linemen vs. watching them go by without doing anything. Someone get Sandra Bullock so can have "The Blind Side 2".
secret squirrel

United States

#12 May 2, 2011
Wow, i didn’t think that was possible, there so good.
Frank W

Greer, SC

#13 May 2, 2011
Ponder was considered a borderline first-rounder? By who? Obviously time will tell whether or not this was a wise pick. However, there is no question it was a desparate pick, and desparate picks rarely, if ever, work out.

As for the rest of the draft, the players chosen by the Vikings appear to be pretty solid values. However, the failure to add a top-notch OT hurts, and the failure to address the safety position was not good. This team needs two new starting safeties, and didn't even get one in the draft. Let's hope that free agency,(what ever that looks like) will allow them to address these spots, along with OT.
TGP

Ottawa, Canada

#14 May 2, 2011
As far as Ponder vs Gabert, I like the pick because of his formilarity with the pro set. Leslie said he'd like Ponder to start wk#1 in SD. If Gabert had been the pick then we'd be adding McNabb or however to start the season. I for one am more than willing to give Christan his due.I feel much better about this pic now since I've had time to do a little research on him.As far as the OLine goes first and formost they were pretty beat up last year and hopefully they all come in healthy this year. I'm not making excuses, there will be free agents signing at some point and the money we'd waste on McNabb would be better served on one or two linemen,a reliable backup and possibly move Webb back to a wideout.Rice,Percy and Webb,or two TE sets, Peterson and Garhert in the back field whats not to like?
Packas Fan

Chanhassen, MN

#15 May 2, 2011
GO PACK GO wrote:
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I agree with most of what you're saying but please don't get too arrogant as a fellow Packer fan. No way is Greenway better than Clay but I would easily take him over the rest of our linebacking corp, especially Poppinga and Zombo. We still have time to gloat(especially to Queens fans) but lets keep things in perspective.
Point taken my friend. But that response was from the ridiculous comment made by 'Vikings Fan' sayin' he's glad they passed on AR. He's just bitter. Greenway is a nice cute little player, but he has no help around him. Henderson is inconsistent/injured, and Leber and whoever else they have should be playing in the Arena League. Clay Matthews makes other guys around him better. I forgot to mention Brad Jones and Eric Walden. That means All Pro Nick Barnett is as good as gone with all our other studs. What other team(s) have that kind of depth at LB? No one! Especially the Queens.
Huge Jazz

Montréal, Canada

#16 May 2, 2011
Good watercooler conversation but no one knows how this will turn out until maybe 3 years down the road.
Makes No Sense

Saint Paul, MN

#17 May 2, 2011
Let's see:

1. The Packers got more role players. Unless the CBA changes, they ony can have 53 players. I thought the key to the Packers success was their volume of role players to fill in for injured players. So basically they made a bunch of parallell moves -- a bunch of guys who will get cut and others who will be kept, but not upgrades over the guys they will replace. Outside a young OT and another WR, nothing was added that will significantly improve their team.

2. The Packers missed a big opportunity to become perhaps the most dangerous AND balanced offense in the NFL. Once RB Mark Ingram fell to the mid-20's, why not trade away a 3rd round pick to move up about 4 spots and get him? Seriously, think what the Packers offense would be like with a workhorse Pro Bowl caliber RB, instead of just these "finds" and role players filling in? So mark that down as a missed opportunity for the Packers, much more than the Vikings missing the chance to move up and get Blaine Gabbert because the Vikings couldn't afford to give away any draft choices, but the Packers could.

3. Immediate draft grades are useless. My guess is the Packers would have low grades every year since Thompson was the GM. Remember the question of the first pick being a 4th WR just two years ago when the O line and other areas were in shambles? Or can Thompson make no mistakes (oh how people forget the injury-proned Justin Harrell with a 1st or Brian Brohm with a 2nd).

4. Yes the Packers won the Super Bowl. But they just as easily could have sat at home in January. People forget they needed outside help to back into the playoffs, aided by the greatest comeback in NFL history (the Eagles win over the Giants). So it's not like they were dominant. They just overcame injuries and got hot at the right time. So please recognize it for what it was, and don't revise history to make them the most talented and dangerous team in the NFL.
Packas Fan

Chanhassen, MN

#19 May 2, 2011
Hey 'Makes No Sense', are you being serious?? I haven't laughed this hard since the Pack destroyed the Queens twice last year.
Mel Kiper - The Packers find ways, yet again, to get good value in later rounds. Good luck beating them next year or for years to come.
Trent Dilfer - Florida State quarterback Christian Ponder "melted'' at times in big situations, said Andy Dalton was the best quarterback in this draft, "Listen,'' Dilfer said, "I pray I'm wrong. I hope he [Ponder] rubs it in my face. He's a great kid. But my concern with him is his ceiling is very low. At best, I think he can be Chad Pennington.''
SI -
Minnesota
What I liked: Tight end Kyle Rudolph in the second round. He started as freshman at Notre Dame, has great size (6-6, 259), nice hands and good blocking skills. Paired with Visanthe Shiancoe, he gives the Vikings a potentially great tandem in 2011.
What I didn't like: Christian Ponder. The Vikings clearly need a "quarterback of the future" after the tragically failed Brett Favre experiment of the past two years. Just not sure Ponder is the answer. Look at the list of NCAA leaders in any major passing category last year. Call me when you reach Ponder. When the phone doesn't ring, I'll know it's you.
The Vikings struggled badly in pass protection last year, too, but didn't draft O-line until the sixth round. Grade: C-
Green Bay
What I liked: The Packers were a statistical juggernaut in 2010, finishing No. 1 across the board in our Quality Stats. But they did have one relative weakness, the 16th-ranked offensive line, and smartly addressed that need with their No. 1 pick, OT Derek Sherrod of Mississippi State. Green Bay appeared to nail its top 2010 pick in LT Bryan Bulaga. So if Sherrod pans out, the Packers have a pair of bookend tackles for years to come to protect Aaron Rodgers.
What I didn't like: The Packers have some free-agency vulnerabilities on the defensive front, namely in Cullen Jenkins, but did little to address the unit until the late rounds. But with the free agency situation so volatile leaguewide, it's unclear how any of this will ultimately play out.
The Packers quickly addressed their biggest need while adding 10 young draft picks to compete for spots on an already talented roster. Grade: A
Fox - Green Bay Packers: A-
Analysis: General manager Ted Thompson is the best at what he does because he always drafts for value. He got at least three future starters out of this draft despite drafting in back of every round.
Minnesota Vikings: C+
Analysis: The Vikings failed to address their weak offensive line until the sixth round, which was a big mistake. They will have to look toward free agency to improve in that area on offense.
I could go on and on. Everyone knows Pounder was a desperate reach and the Packers continually prove why the are superb in the draft.
Squidney

Blue Earth, MN

#20 May 2, 2011
Ooo my Cool name is Packas Fan cause I can cut and paste about my awesome Packas team that I want to Pack-Ass with. Get a room with Karen freak!
America is Adrift

Fargo, ND

#21 May 2, 2011
The Packers are doing the right thing - you fall into the Super Bowl, the next thing you want to do is establish a dynasty. And with Aaron Rodgers at QB, the best one in the NFC North, who is still young, the Packers have a great chance to do just that. They also have some nice young pieces on defense, with BJ Raji, Clay Matthews, and that cornerback Truman Williams (I think).

Some scouts like the Ponder move, others don't. I don't think Ponder will be a bad QB, but I also don't think he's going to be a great one either. He's got a lot of pressure on him (early draft selection, veteran team, new stadium - potentially). He is a smart QB. The question is, can we find an offensive system that he can succeed at, and do we have the right pieces around him to make that happen. I still think we're missing a wideout.

I love with the Lions can become with LeShore at RB, Best a 3rd down back, Titus Young to keep coverages off of CJ, and the interior line of Suh and Fairly. If the Lions can get help in the secondary, this is going to be a very scary team to face.

The Bears are even older than the Vikes at some key spots, and the jury is still out on Cutler. The Bears also don't have a wideout that scares anybody, and that has to be a concern going forward.

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