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“*=* Always Thinking *=*”

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Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#1 Oct 31, 2013
Is it OK for Obama to make speeches that contain lies?

does free speech include lieing?
"reasonably understood by the audience as a statement of fact or an exercise in political theater."
Whatever! Is there a difference - Obama must think so...

"Is a lie just free speech or is it a crime?
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/22/147257716/is-a-...

PS: Yes I know Bush did it too.

“*=* Always Thinking *=*”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#2 Oct 31, 2013
Current through Pub. L. 113-36.(See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

(a) Whoever, with the intent to defraud any person, shall make or cause to be made any false representation concerning the requirements of this chapter, of chapter 2, 21, or 23 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, or of any provision of subtitle F of such Code which corresponds (within the meaning of section 7852(b) of such Code) to a provision contained in subchapter E of chapter 9 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1939, or of any rules or regulations issued thereunder, knowing such representations to be false, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $1,000, or by imprisonment not exceeding one year, or both.

(b) Whoever, with the intent to elicit information as to the social security account number, date of birth, employment, wages, or benefits of any individual
(1) falsely represents to the Commissioner of Social Security or the Secretary that he is such individual, or the wife, husband, widow, widower, divorced wife, divorced husband, surviving divorced wife, surviving divorced husband, surviving divorced mother, surviving divorced father, child, or parent of such individual, or the duly authorized agent of such individual, or of the wife, husband, widow, widower, divorced wife, divorced husband, surviving divorced wife, surviving divorced husband, surviving divorced mother, surviving divorced father, child, or parent of such individual, or

(2) falsely represents to any person that he is an employee or agent of the United States, shall be deemed guilty of a felony, and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding $10,000 for each occurrence of a violation, or by imprisonment not exceeding 5 years, or both.

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#3 Oct 31, 2013
Dont make it right but makes it more commono

“*=* Always Thinking *=*”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#4 Oct 31, 2013
'i' can only guess what your trying to say?
or
did you not understand what I said?

Obama deserves impeaching!

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#6 Nov 2, 2013
if you have inside information you should report your concerns to the proper authorities.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#7 Nov 2, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Is it OK for Obama to make speeches that contain lies?
does free speech include lieing?
"reasonably understood by the audience as a statement of fact or an exercise in political theater."
Whatever! Is there a difference - Obama must think so...
"Is a lie just free speech or is it a crime?
http://www.npr.org/2012/02/22/147257716/is-a-...
PS: Yes I know Bush did it too.
Lying falls under the right to free speech. But as always, rights are paired with responsibilities.

The listeners have a responsibility to recognize lies and reject them. When they don't the liars discover they have an audience of patsies and tell more lies, bigger lies.

“*=* Always Thinking *=*”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#8 Nov 2, 2013
Patsies:
: a foolish person who is easily tricked or cheated
: a person who is easily manipulated or victimized
Therefore-Henceforth
The majority of the voting public will no longer be called the Majority or the public but
Patsobamates.

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#9 Nov 2, 2013
While on the campaign trail in 2007, Barack Obama promised to label GMO foods if elected.
Instead, he appointed Monsanto's former VP/top lobbyist to head the FDA....

Obama Promises to Label GMOs

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#10 Nov 2, 2013
....which leads us to another POTUS lie; the promise to shut the revolving door in Washington....but instead; Liz Fowler, for instance, ran the lobbying operation at insurer Wellpoint over the last decade, then jumped to the Senate to help craft Obamacare, then to Obama's HHS to help implement Obamacare, and now to the lobbying shop of drug giant Johnson & Johnson to help profit from Obamacare.

Obama promised 'NO LOBBYISTS IN MY CABINET OR ADMINISTRATION' right? Why do you let him off for LYING so bad?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#11 Nov 2, 2013
Obama's Failed Promise to Close Gitmo: A Timeline
http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2013/01...

Yep...

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#13 Nov 2, 2013
park street wrote:
if you have inside information you should report your concerns to the proper authorities.
Ya right! So they can 'Michael Hastings' your azz, or if they prefer, the Indefinite Detention law would come in handy for them...lol

SUJ

“Your posts still ”

Level 6

Since: Mar 10

make me giggle

#14 Nov 2, 2013
This citizen doesn't find any of it amusing or worthy of satire.
Not having a POTUS or any leadership who is trustworthy, is, to say the least, horrifying.
The USA today is becoming our great-grandparents nightmares born to life.
America, America where has your majesty gone?

http://youtu.be/u6WZtA0TWWQ

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#15 Nov 2, 2013
unfortunately around here (topix), america has gone to the paranoid psychos...

history is soooooooooo much worse regarding secrecy, the presidency, and lying.

if this is the best ya'll can come up with then nice try... hell, all you have to do is look a few years back to see much worse examples.

its not a republican/democrat thing... it's an american thing which we learned from our european neighbors...

“*=* Always Thinking *=*”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#16 Nov 2, 2013
you said a lot and nothing either.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#17 Nov 2, 2013
Dudedad wrote:
unfortunately around here (topix), america has gone to the paranoid psychos...
history is soooooooooo much worse regarding secrecy, the presidency, and lying.
if this is the best ya'll can come up with then nice try... hell, all you have to do is look a few years back to see much worse examples.
its not a republican/democrat thing... it's an american thing which we learned from our european neighbors...
To paraphrase and summarize: Lying is OK because everyone does it.

Hmm, OK. What's that 'definition of insanity' again? Something, something 'repeat' something, something 'different outcome'?

“Don't Tread on Me!”

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#18 Nov 2, 2013
Dudedad wrote:
unfortunately around here (topix), america has gone to the paranoid psychos...
history is soooooooooo much worse regarding secrecy, the presidency, and lying.
if this is the best ya'll can come up with then nice try... hell, all you have to do is look a few years back to see much worse examples.
its not a republican/democrat thing... it's an american thing which we learned from our european neighbors...
True story. Whopping lies throughout. I just stuck with the ones affecting us today. Can't do anything about the past, except understand our history to comprehend the present. It's an agenda being carried out through each successive administration. They're just competing management strategies. They work for the same CEO.

“No time like the present”

Since: Jul 08

to make it happen!

#19 Nov 2, 2013
POTUS lies? Easy fix. Bush's fault! Don't ever reelect him again!

“No time like the present”

Since: Jul 08

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#20 Nov 2, 2013
Dudedad wrote:
if this is the best ya'll can come up with then nice try... hell, all you have to do is look a few years back to see much worse examples.
There you go, bring up that silly lying under oath about cigars and interns thing. Leave it in the past man!
SLACK

Ludington, MI

#21 Nov 2, 2013
could anyone get elected without stretching things on the stump?

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Since: Jul 08

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#22 Nov 2, 2013
SLACK wrote:
could anyone get elected without stretching things on the stump?
Current POTUS has stretched so many until they broke,that credibility ceased being an option for him long ago.

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