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Since: Apr 09

Hotel California

#24 Jan 15, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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People only see it from their little perspective. If you want a job, you want a job. Conservation laws are not about the individual, however.
What do you suppose would happen if there were no conservation laws? Do you think logging companies give a damn if an animal goes extinct?
Not saying the government is perfect and doesn’t make mistakes when it comes to policies, but it beats the alternative.
I do in fact think the companies involved in the logging industry do care about conservation. they all employ foresters and the health of the forest is paramount to them harvesting a good product. I know in the cities they are portrayed as monsters devouring every tree they can. The Sierra Club (for one) was smart, they told their story to the city people that have no clue how it really is, nor do they care, it's not their little part of the world :)

As far as the science being revised, you would be mistaken. They have never lessened any of the laws, they add to them continuously. I know several government scientists, they have never and I mean never admitted to any mistakes.
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#25 Jan 15, 2014
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Check out where and how the money from conservation laws that collect revenues from so many different sources is spent, then tell me they are a good thing!
It cost more for 1 game-warden than it does to stock 100 lakes.
Average hourly salary $26.77 Annual Income $55,670.
See where your deer, hunting, and fish license is spent?
Not for conservation of nature!
If you don't have someone who enforces the laws, no one is going to follow them. We already tried no conversation. It didn't work. That's why we have it, now. As imperfect as it is, it's better than the alternative.
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#26 Jan 15, 2014
Always Wary wrote:
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I do in fact think the companies involved in the logging industry do care about conservation. they all employ foresters and the health of the forest is paramount to them harvesting a good product. I know in the cities they are portrayed as monsters devouring every tree they can. The Sierra Club (for one) was smart, they told their story to the city people that have no clue how it really is, nor do they care, it's not their little part of the world :)

If they really cared, they wouldn't clear cut.

If they really cared, they would replant with species that are representative of the species they have harvested.

If they really cared, they wouldn't favor trees that grow the fastest and that can be harvested sooner.

[QUOTE who="Always Wary"]<quoted text>As far as the science being revised, you would be mistaken. They have never lessened any of the laws, they add to them continuously. I know several government scientists, they have never and I mean never admitted to any mistakes.
They may not have revised all the laws, but not all the animals they are trying to protect have recovered such that they can. I know they have removed certain animals off the endangered species list, however.

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I have no problem with the timber industry. We need wood. I just don't think that such an industry would regulate itself for anything other than it's own interests. There may be some overlap between industry's interests and society's interests and that may be why industry does some things that society would also like to see, but it's not out of altruism and where industry's interests conflict with society's interests, you can bet your bottom dollar industry is not going to pay much attention to the interest of society.

I would rather an owl not go extinct than have more wood. We can get wood from elsewhere ... other things besides wood can be used to build ... the price of wood can even rise. Folks can find other jobs too. You cannot get an animal back once it is extinct. We do not own this planet. Not everything on this planet should be all about humans. We share this planet and the other living organisms on this planet have just as much right to it as us. We are not rare ... we are not special ... we are over populated. We are raping the planet just for us, because that's how many of us see it ... something that is just for our benefit and to hell with everything else. I don't agree with that.
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#27 Jan 15, 2014
I messed up the quotes on the first part of your response.
Always Wary wrote:
<quoted text>
I do in fact think the companies involved in the logging industry do care about conservation. they all employ foresters and the health of the forest is paramount to them harvesting a good product. I know in the cities they are portrayed as monsters devouring every tree they can. The Sierra Club (for one) was smart, they told their story to the city people that have no clue how it really is, nor do they care, it's not their little part of the world :)
If they really cared, they wouldn't clear cut.

If they really cared, they would replant with species that are representative of the species they have harvested.

If they really cared, they wouldn't favor trees that grow the fastest and that can be harvested sooner.
food for thought

La Grange, IL

#28 Jan 15, 2014
If the tea party ever gets their way, we'll all be foraging in the woods for berries. This gentleman is ahead of the time on that aspect.

Anyhoo, as anybody from W. Virginia .can attest, regulations stand in the way of progress! Dang it- they cost money!
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Adrian, MI

#29 Jan 15, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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No, I'm not saying that. Live like a natural man if you want, but you still must comply with conservation laws that are established for a compelling reason that advances compelling interests of society as a whole.
I have much more sympathy for Eustice. I don't think there should be any property tax. I don't think you should have to pay the government what is for all practical purposes an annual rent to keep land that you own. I think someone like Eustice should be free to live off of land that he owns ... at the same time, even in his case, he doesn't own wildlife that stumbles upon his land ... we all own it. He should still be subject to conservation laws that advance the compelling interests of society as a whole.
I dunno anyone who is a serious outdoorsman who doesn't support conservation laws.
how many bear claws and stone knives does a fishing license cost?

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Since: May 13

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#30 Jan 15, 2014
Jeb Wilson wrote:
it don't matter eustace aint no different than anybody else who owns land. dang man eustace thinks he owns all the land from far as the eye can see.
Are you talking about Eustace Eustace? The Eustace? If so, he is a fruitcake.....I bet his teeth hasn't seen a toothbrush in months or even a decent shower; with Soap!
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Adrian, MI

#31 Jan 15, 2014
Always Wary wrote:
<quoted text>Because not everyone believes the same thing about the gold fringe.
Some think this - " The gold or yellow fringe flag is your warning that you are leaving your Constitutionally secured rights on the floor outside the door to that courtroom. " Sorry I forgot the source!
Some think it means martial law.
Some think is means you are under a power unrecognized worldwide.
Lastly, some think it is simply a decoration.
Army study guide - gold fringe
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_bo...
it reminds me of when Request put the four bands on his robes sleeve because he thought it looked cool after seeing all the different colored bands at a university graduation ceremony

he never read Jefferson I guess, sad
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Adrian, MI

#32 Jan 15, 2014
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI don't you think it's about time you made your point?
What it's got to do with a man catching a mess of fish to feed himself I have no idea but please continue.
This mountain man didn't 'dynamite' the river he just wanted something to eat which should be a freedom privilege.
It's those that take advantage of whatever it is - that the laws are made for
which pisses me off too!
Why should the innocent have to suffer for what the azzholes do?
Put a 'corn cob' up their azz not mine!
in Michigan an old law for migrant farm workers allows anyone to eat from a farm field as long as they take nothing uneaten when leaving

makes scene to me
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Adrian, MI

#33 Jan 15, 2014
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Check out where and how the money from conservation laws that collect revenues from so many different sources is spent, then tell me they are a good thing!
It cost more for 1 game-warden than it does to stock 100 lakes.
Average hourly salary $26.77 Annual Income $55,670.
See where your deer, hunting, and fish license is spent?
Not for conservation of nature!
members of the Michigan aquaculture association want to supply the fish to the state for stocking at 5% of what it cost the state to raise them

the state won't consider it
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Adrian, MI

#34 Jan 15, 2014
Always Wary wrote:
<quoted text>
I do in fact think the companies involved in the logging industry do care about conservation. they all employ foresters and the health of the forest is paramount to them harvesting a good product. I know in the cities they are portrayed as monsters devouring every tree they can. The Sierra Club (for one) was smart, they told their story to the city people that have no clue how it really is, nor do they care, it's not their little part of the world :)
As far as the science being revised, you would be mistaken. They have never lessened any of the laws, they add to them continuously. I know several government scientists, they have never and I mean never admitted to any mistakes.
they are concerned with timber profits not environmental impact downstream

most corprat researchers are shills

2222, all in
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Adrian, MI

#35 Jan 15, 2014
Always Wary wrote:
By the way that was link to a private web site, not the US Army!
...

http://www.vexman.net/flagspec.htm
Anonymous

Sharon Springs, NY

#36 Jan 15, 2014
Jeb Wilson wrote:
dang man i thought this was about eustice in nc.
That's what I thought at first too! That is the guy who lives in Turtle island, right?
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#37 Jan 15, 2014
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>how many bear claws and stone knives does a fishing license cost?
A bear skin would be more than enough to buy one.
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Adrian, MI

#38 Jan 15, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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A bear skin would be more than enough to buy one.
thats a high price to pay

they say "what does not kill you will make you stronger"

thing is bears will kill you

“You think so?”

Level 8

Since: Nov 12

Greensburg, IN

#39 Jan 16, 2014
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>in Michigan an old law for migrant farm workers allows anyone to eat from a farm field as long as they take nothing uneaten when leaving
makes scene to me
I tried that with a watermelon patch and you should have seen the mess they left!
Never again, I won't allow people in my lettuce bed, garden, or picnic areas.
People have turned into a =Bunch of Litterers= I keep all my road frontage property mowed
and respectable and guess where all the trash is thrown out? I'd love to catch someone doing it,
you wouldn't believe what their place would look like in a day or two-including toilet papering.

Not to be out done, Indiana permits land owners to kill deer on their own property without a license. How many you want? LOL
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Adrian, MI

#40 Jan 16, 2014
oh look, my happy iconer is back

“New & Improved..”

Level 8

Since: Oct 07

Formerly From Kenya

#41 Jan 16, 2014
Wait till the shyt starts hitting the fan on water rights...coming to a theater near you...
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Adrian, MI

#42 Jan 16, 2014
justaguess wrote:
Wait till the shyt starts hitting the fan on water rights...coming to a theater near you...
15 years ago a limnology professor told me no one in the states would understand water concerns until it cost them $7 to flush the toilet, being from Egypt gave him some insight

“defusing bigot mind-bombs ”

Since: Nov 09

-- every day --

#43 Jan 16, 2014
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>15 years ago a limnology professor told me no one in the states would understand water concerns until it cost them $7 to flush the toilet, being from Egypt gave him some insight
I heard/read more than once that the next "Big War" will happen over water resources, not oil.

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