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Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#576 Jul 5, 2013
Marissa 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Then they should be thinking about the consequences of their actions...Nothing is free...
Well...yeah...we should All Always think
about the consequences of our actions.

Unfortunately we are humans and not Vulcan.
All of us are not always completely logical.

Sometimes we follow our emotions....that may
be what the old saying "No one is perfect"
is all about.....

To hold everyone to the standard of perfection
all of the time is illogical.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#577 Jul 5, 2013
That being said....

Ppl Do need to start being more responsible.
We have over 7 billion ppl on the planet.
Every other species of animal knows not to
overpopulate its environment.
Mass starvation is a real possibility in the
future.

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#578 Jul 5, 2013
Narrow Minded Fools wrote:
<quoted text>I bet less "tax dollars" are spent on prevention than the years of welfare that this country is inundated with. Ya know? Imagine the money saved if less unwanted children were born and forced through the system? There are your true tax dollar savings! A .20 cent condom vs. 18+ years of welfare for one child!(actually many more years. The cycle for these types continues and is never broken as they stay on it forever while they raise their unwanted children and their children raise their children and so on and so forth).
Planned parenthood = education! Always a good thing and a great investment.
Well here's an idea...welfare for 1 child out of wedlock...after that...you are on your own...Think of what this would do for both situations...I'm SO tired of Bleeding Heart liberals...giving EVERYTHING away at tax payers expense...they have NO sense of RESPONSIBILTY...no lol

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#579 Jul 5, 2013
New here wrote:
<quoted text>Then abortion is not a societal matter, to be decided by politicians. If contraception is a private matter (and it really is- ask your own vagina)then legislatures should not be making these calls. It's very personal and private. See, the thing is, those who are so set on outlawing abortion are set on outlawing contraception as well. They seem to want women to be perpetually pregnant (if married) or perpetually chaste, if not. They also want you to believe that small government is "good" and "small" when it's all up in your uterus.
They are set on outlawing contraception at Tax payers expense...when I used it...it was covered by my insurance...not at tax payers expense...the way it should be...btw, if Insurance companies cover Viagra...they should cover birth control...no lol

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#580 Jul 5, 2013
Marissa 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well here's an idea...welfare for 1 child out of wedlock...after that...you are on your own...Think of what this would do for both situations...I'm SO tired of Bleeding Heart liberals...giving EVERYTHING away at tax payers expense...they have NO sense of RESPONSIBILTY...no lol
Even Bill Cosby, says about people having Responsibilty for their own actions...Mr. Cosby raised 5 children...he should know what he's talking about...no lol

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#581 Jul 6, 2013
Marissa 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Even Bill Cosby, says about people having Responsibilty for their own actions...Mr. Cosby raised 5 children...he should know what he's talking about...no lol
Only icons...but no real response...not surprised.

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Since: Aug 08

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#582 Jul 9, 2013
arctic wrote:
Sublime I couldn't even read through
your entire post.
I'm not 80. I'm 44.
Not entirely ancient just yet.
The '80s wasn't that long ago.
I wasn't allow to play baseball in the '80s.
Even tho my dad was a coach (played in minor
league b/f the war), my brother played.
Myself and another girl went behind our parents
backs and tried out. We were both put on the
Marathons.
I'd been playing since I was little and was
really good. My dad was furious. First practice, my first time at bat and the pitcher
hit me 3 times. The first 2 I stood there through because the other guys were in the
dugout snickering. The 3rd hit was in the hand
and broke 2 fingers. Tracy and I walked home
from that practice knowing that no matter how
damn good we were they weren't going to let
us play.
My dad said I told you so.
Later on in high school me and 3 other girls
wanted to try out for football. The coach was
the history teacher. He told us in the hall that
if we even Tried out he'd fail every one of us.
Don't tell me it doesn't happen anymore.
My daughter runs up against many of the
same walls today.
Thatís really not society so much as you parents fault in terms of their lack of support for you. I think that it was awful that your folks allowed others in authority positions to treat you that way. I donít have a daughter, but if I did and I found out the coach permitted a pitcher to hit her intentionally and even break her fingers, the ensuing conversation would not be very pleasant. Same for the other situations you mentioned.

I was born in 77 and grew up in the 80s and early 90s. We had a few girls in our little league and one of the best pitchers was a girl.

In high school, we also had a girl on our wrestling team for maybe a month, before she quit. She wasnít treated unfairly by us or the coaches. She was treated the same as the rest of us. If anything, we respected that she wanted to give it a go, even if we were skeptical that sheíd be able to stick with it.

At the same time, I think if the only way some women will see themselves as equals to men is to be able to compete against them in sports, I think that is problematic because it will be the exceptionally rare girl who could start on a high school football, wrestling, or even baseball team and as you progress into collegiate and pro sports, it becomes very improbable. I personally donít need a woman to beat me in sports for me to see her as my equal. My wife canít compete with me on a purely physical level, but she can on an intellectual level and she has many strengths that I donít have, even if I may be physically stronger, faster, what have you. Athletic ability is also not required to be a leader and as is evidenced by the number of pro athletes who find themselves broke a few years after retirement, athletic ability does not have a strong correlation with intelligence or wisdom.

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Since: Aug 08

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#583 Jul 9, 2013
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
You miss the point....again...
Both women are equally smart.
All ppl, men And women, should be allowed to follow
the path that makes Them happy. W/o being impeded by
societies "rules"
If a woman (or man) feels like being a stay at home
parent/homemaker is their calling in life then that's
the path they should take.
If a woman (or man) feels like the world of business
or politics (or whatever) is their calling then they
should be able to do just that.
W/o their sex being a factor either way.
I agree that people should be able to choose their own path.

However, much of the energy of the feminist movement is primarily focused on women who want to make their career their lifeís focus. They go so far as to suggest how they think men and women should allocate home life responsibilities all so that women can direct more efforts on their career as if dedicating more energy into one's career is some sort of panacea and the key to bliss, which on top of that thinking being flawed, IMO ... not just for women, but also for many men ... also ignores the fact that most women don't want to do this.

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Since: Oct 12

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#584 Jul 9, 2013
Marissa 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Even Bill Cosby, says about people having Responsibilty for their own actions...Mr. Cosby raised 5 children...he should know what he's talking about...no lol
As i recall, did'nt he also suffer a son being murdered...?

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

Level 8

Since: Apr 10

USA

#585 Jul 9, 2013
Marissa 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Well here's an idea...welfare for 1 child out of wedlock...after that...you are on your own...Think of what this would do for both situations...I'm SO tired of Bleeding Heart liberals...giving EVERYTHING away at tax payers expense...they have NO sense of RESPONSIBILTY...no lol
It's not just a Liberal issue, it's Americas issue.

Some think taxpayers paying for contraception is alot cheaper than paying for a child in foster care for 18 yrs.

There are many reasons a woman gets pregnant that has nothing to do with her being responsible. as a woman you should know that.
Sometimes they just don't work..

There are other factors as well, what about woman and girls that are raped? Did you know that over 30,000 women get pregnant that way.

It's easy to get on here and jump on the (everyone should be responsible) band wagon but shit happens.. It's not always black and white which is the problem with the Rep. party...

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#586 Jul 9, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thatís really not society so much as you parents fault in terms of their lack of support for you. I think that it was awful that your folks allowed others in authority positions to treat you that way. I donít have a daughter, but if I did and I found out the coach permitted a pitcher to hit her intentionally and even break her fingers, the ensuing conversation would not be very pleasant. Same for the other situations you mentioned.
I was born in 77 and grew up in the 80s and early 90s. We had a few girls in our little league and one of the best pitchers was a girl.
In high school, we also had a girl on our wrestling team for maybe a month, before she quit. She wasnít treated unfairly by us or the coaches. She was treated the same as the rest of us. If anything, we respected that she wanted to give it a go, even if we were skeptical that sheíd be able to stick with it.
At the same time, I think if the only way some women will see themselves as equals to men is to be able to compete against them in sports, I think that is problematic because it will be the exceptionally rare girl who could start on a high school football, wrestling, or even baseball team and as you progress into collegiate and pro sports, it becomes very improbable. I personally donít need a woman to beat me in sports for me to see her as my equal. My wife canít compete with me on a purely physical level, but she can on an intellectual level and she has many strengths that I donít have, even if I may be physically stronger, faster, what have you. Athletic ability is also not required to be a leader and as is evidenced by the number of pro athletes who find themselves broke a few years after retirement, athletic ability does not have a strong correlation with intelligence or wisdom.
It wasn't only my parents at that time but
the entire community I lived in.
We're talking about '82-'85 when women/girls
were breaking into things that had been considered
strictly male. Like little league.

Now the football thing...lol...that was mostly
for the shock factor. I'm barley 5' and 90lbs
soaking wet (at that time). I loved football and
played it in the neighbors back yard several times
a week.. the guys wouldn't tackle me full on.
(thank god:) I was always the quarterback.
But I knew I couldn't play high school football w/
the giants they had on the team. I'd be killed
first day at practice.

I don't "see" myself as equal to men. I am equal
to any man. I understand the difference b/t
the strengths of women vs the strengths of men.
Different but equal.

Level 8

Since: Aug 08

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#587 Jul 9, 2013
Marissa 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
They are set on outlawing contraception at Tax payers expense...when I used it...it was covered by my insurance...not at tax payers expense...the way it should be...btw, if Insurance companies cover Viagra...they should cover birth control...no lol
Ultimately, policy decisions should be made according to what is best for society. There can be no compelling argument that providing BC at taxpayers' expense costs more than unwanted pregnancies. This issue also goes way beyond just who pays for it too, as children are best raised in a home where they are wanted and where their parents have the means to provide for them.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#589 Jul 9, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree that people should be able to choose their own path.
However, much of the energy of the feminist movement is primarily focused on women who want to make their career their lifeís focus. They go so far as to suggest how they think men and women should allocate home life responsibilities all so that women can direct more efforts on their career as if dedicating more energy into one's career is some sort of panacea and the key to bliss, which on top of that thinking being flawed, IMO ... not just for women, but also for many men ... also ignores the fact that most women don't want to do this.
I don't go along w/ so called "feminists."
Those bra burning women annoy me and hurt
their own cause worse than men ever could.

Kind of like PETA. Their hearts are in the
right place but their antics often cause more
bad publicity than the thing they are trying
to fight....cruelty to animals.

If you act like a wing nut it's hard to get
ppl to take you seriously.

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

Level 8

Since: Apr 10

USA

#590 Jul 9, 2013
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
It wasn't only my parents at that time but
the entire community I lived in.
We're talking about '82-'85 when women/girls
were breaking into things that had been considered
strictly male. Like little league.
Now the football thing...lol...that was mostly
for the shock factor. I'm barley 5' and 90lbs
soaking wet (at that time). I loved football and
played it in the neighbors back yard several times
a week.. the guys wouldn't tackle me full on.
(thank god:) I was always the quarterback.
But I knew I couldn't play high school football w/
the giants they had on the team. I'd be killed
first day at practice.
I don't "see" myself as equal to men. I am equal
to any man. I understand the difference b/t
the strengths of women vs the strengths of men.
Different but equal.
The equality issue isn't about who has the biggest muscles, you know it's about how women are treated.

Do I want to look like a he/she ? No!! I love looking like a women and of course there are thinks men can do better as there are things we can do better.

But if we're up for the same job that we both can do well whats between out thighs shouldn't matter...:P

Level 8

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#591 Jul 9, 2013
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
Now the football thing...lol...that was mostly
for the shock factor. I'm barley 5' and 90lbs
soaking wet (at that time). I loved football and
played it in the neighbors back yard several times
a week.. the guys wouldn't tackle me full on.
(thank god:) I was always the quarterback.
But I knew I couldn't play high school football w/
the giants they had on the team. I'd be killed
first day at practice.
It sounds like you would have been a hindrance to the team and a distraction, then. Given that even you realize that you couldnít play on that team, donít you see why both the players and coaches would find that to be annoying? Success in football involves repetition of plays and repetition at speeds as close to game speed as possible. Instead of practicing against teammates who were likely going to be more on par with their game day opponents, theyíd have to make a special exception for you and take it easy on you or risk hurting you. That wouldnít be fair to them just so that you could get to experience the joy of the shock factor.
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>I don't "see" myself as equal to men. I am equal
to any man. I understand the difference b/t
the strengths of women vs the strengths of men.
Different but equal.
That is why competition between the sexes in all sports should not be some requirement of the movement. Also, if you are going to let women join boys teams, are you going to let boys join girls teams. We didn't have boys softball growing up and my high school and junior high didnít have a boys volleyball team, but they had a girls one. What if the boys decided they wanted to join those teams? Shouldnít girls who canít compete against boys still be able to do sports or do they need to ride the pine?

Level 8

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#592 Jul 9, 2013
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't go along w/ so called "feminists."
Those bra burning women annoy me and hurt
their own cause worse than men ever could.
Kind of like PETA. Their hearts are in the
right place but their antics often cause more
bad publicity than the thing they are trying
to fight....cruelty to animals.
If you act like a wing nut it's hard to get
ppl to take you seriously.
I agree.

Level 1

Since: Jul 13

Location hidden

#593 Jul 9, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not just a Liberal issue, it's Americas issue.
Some think taxpayers paying for contraception is alot cheaper than paying for a child in foster care for 18 yrs.
There are many reasons a woman gets pregnant that has nothing to do with her being responsible. as a woman you should know that.
Sometimes they just don't work..
There are other factors as well, what about woman and girls that are raped? Did you know that over 30,000 women get pregnant that way.
It's easy to get on here and jump on the (everyone should be responsible) band wagon but shit happens.. It's not always black and white which is the problem with the Rep. party...
If all 30,000 of the women who were raped had an abortion, it would only account for 3% of the abortions every year. The rape and incest issues that are always brought up are a red herring. The vast majority of abortions are not because of rape, incest, or the mothers health.Now heres a question for you. Do you believe that a married woman should need her husbands permission before she aborts his child?

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

Level 8

Since: Apr 10

USA

#594 Jul 9, 2013
Tim Burr wrote:
<quoted text>If all 30,000 of the women who were raped had an abortion, it would only account for 3% of the abortions every year. The rape and incest issues that are always brought up are a red herring. The vast majority of abortions are not because of rape, incest, or the mothers health.Now heres a question for you. Do you believe that a married woman should need her husbands permission before she aborts his child?
Actually the stats I heard a couple months ago are over 1 million women and children are raped in the US every yr. with 80,000 of them getting pregnant.

Not a red herring, it's a fact. For many reasons other than unprotected sex.. my gawd I can't believe in this day and age women are still get blamed for this. It takes two but somehow the women always pay for it.

I believe a womens body is a womens body and should do with it as she pleases.

Myself I would talk about it. Again everyone doesn't have a fairytale life and sometimes there are choices to make that one can't share..

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Since: Jul 13

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#595 Jul 9, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the stats I heard a couple months ago are over 1 million women and children are raped in the US every yr. with 80,000 of them getting pregnant.
Not a red herring, it's a fact. For many reasons other than unprotected sex.. my gawd I can't believe in this day and age women are still get blamed for this. It takes two but somehow the women always pay for it.
I believe a womens body is a womens body and should do with it as she pleases.
Myself I would talk about it. Again everyone doesn't have a fairytale life and sometimes there are choices to make that one can't share..
So the man has no say in whether or not the child gets born, but if the woman decides to let it live then the man should have to pay child support?---You've almost tripled the amount of pregnancy induced rapes you claim happen. Every statistic I have seen http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248 says around 30,000 http://www.hopeforhealing.org/preg.html
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Hoffman Estates, IL

#596 Jul 9, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the stats I heard a couple months ago are over 1 million women and children are raped in the US every yr. with 80,000 of them getting pregnant.
Not a red herring, it's a fact. For many reasons other than unprotected sex.. my gawd I can't believe in this day and age women are still get blamed for this. It takes two but somehow the women always pay for it.
I believe a womens body is a womens body and should do with it as she pleases.
Myself I would talk about it. Again everyone doesn't have a fairytale life and sometimes there are choices to make that one can't share..
Recently it was reported that about a thousand more MEN than women are sexually assaulted in the military. Given the smaller number of women in the military it's abhorrent and shocking but, that any amount of men are sexually assaulted in the military is shocking too. It speaks to how awful men truly can be. Really- would you expect even ONE guy would get raped? How does that translate into men in civilian life? We know about prison. And maybe that dumbass Subslime guy will say that's "gay stuff" or something stupid like that but, the reality is, it's guys like him who say: "Oh well, she (or he!)should have been stronger!" that make the world so much more dangerous for everyone. It's clear that rape is a crime of violence rather than sex. The number of *straight* men who rape men in the military and prison bears that out. It's the whole attitude that certain people are "weak" and "deserving" of mistreatment that promotes this rape mentality in men. Like: "Girls don't belong on the team..."

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