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#451 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
Makes perfect sense to anyone with any reading comprehension ability...
Again, please explain why it should matter where one's grandparent or great grandparent were persecuted.
You seem to think it matters so much that certain folks ancestors were persecuted here, long before they were even born, such as to justify large segments of their community being completely unproductive members of society.
When I mention that Jews were treated much worse and subject to genocide, you say oh, that doesn't matter because that didn't happen here, notwithstanding the fact that many who survived the holocaust immigrated here afterwards. Why should it matter so much where one's ancestors were mistreated? You seem to think where the persecution happened is soooo important, but haven't even bothered to explain why this is the case.
For the last time - we are talking persecution in the US - not Nazi Germany, Iraq or Eastern Europe.

Stop trying to cram a completely different subject into a thread that has nothing to do with the Jews being persecuted and mistreated in Germany. All Jewish immigrants were welcomed into this country. Were some persecuted by hate groups in the US? Sure...as were Italians, Polish, Germans, Japanese, Chinese, etc.- with an emphasis on Blacks.

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#452 Jul 1, 2013
You're boy Obama is doing a hell of a job winning over our allies too:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/01/world/europe/eu...

Maybe we should just call him "Bush Light."

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#453 Jul 1, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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For the last time - we are talking persecution in the US - not Nazi Germany, Iraq or Eastern Europe.
Stop trying to cram a completely different subject into a thread that has nothing to do with the Jews being persecuted and mistreated in Germany. All Jewish immigrants were welcomed into this country. Were some persecuted by hate groups in the US? Sure...as were Italians, Polish, Germans, Japanese, Chinese, etc.- with an emphasis on Blacks.
Actually what we are talking about is the fact that you and others on here feel that a disproportionate segment of the black community are justifiably unproductive members of society, because according to you, their great grandparents and perhaps grandparents were persecuted, even tho, they themselves are not persecuted today.

What we are also talking about is the fact that you and others on here feel that because their great grandparents and perhaps grandparents were persecuted that black folks today are entitled to receive affirmative action and other race specific programs that are designed to reverse discriminate against other racial groups and treat them as a preferred class. I simply asked, why are these programs necessary, when many other groups have overcome persecution, whether here or abroad, and seem to do far better than blacks as a group have done?

The point being, instead of pointing the finger at society or things that happened 60+ years ago and advocating for race based programs that show them preferential treatment, you really need to point the finger at the individuals of this group that under perform. Until you change their approach in life, their value system, none of this shyte you and those on the left propose to do in order to improve their life will do anything to improve their life as a group. Stop making excuses for people just cause it suits your bleeding heart agenda. You do them and our nation a disservice by doing so.

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#454 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
You're boy Obama is doing a hell of a job winning over our allies too:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/01/world/europe/eu...
Maybe we should just call him "Bush Light."
You should probably call him...Mister President....Two Terms, too....

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#455 Jul 1, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>You should probably call him...Mister President....Two Terms, too....
Your point is? Bush was two terms too. I guess according to your school of thought this makes him a great wonderful President. Oh wait, in political hack parlance that only applies to two term democrat Presidents.

Fair enough, we'll go with "Mister President Bush Light."

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#456 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Actually what we are talking about is the fact that you and others on here feel that a disproportionate segment of the black community are justifiably unproductive members of society, because according to you, their great grandparents and perhaps grandparents were persecuted, even tho, they themselves are not persecuted today.
What we are also talking about is the fact that you and others on here feel that because their great grandparents and perhaps grandparents were persecuted that black folks today are entitled to receive affirmative action and other race specific programs that are designed to reverse discriminate against other racial groups and treat them as a preferred class. I simply asked, why are these programs necessary, when many other groups have overcome persecution, whether here or abroad, and seem to do far better than blacks as a group have done?
The point being, instead of pointing the finger at society or things that happened 60+ years ago and advocating for race based programs that show them preferential treatment, you really need to point the finger at the individuals of this group that under perform. Until you change their approach in life, their value system, none of this shyte you and those on the left propose to do in order to improve their life will do anything to improve their life as a group. Stop making excuses for people just cause it suits your bleeding heart agenda. You do them and our nation a disservice by doing so.
Actually, you couldn't be more wrong - even if you tried. I said the civil rights of blacks are still being violated in this country, even to this day. I cited proof. You countered with a comparison to the Jewish plight in Nazi Germany. You didn't offer anything to bolster your arguement other than a bunch of long-winded crapola.

For the last time - it is about civil rights and the violation of said rights - in America. This does not mean myself or others are neo-Nazis or lack any compassion for other oppressed groups. It also does not mean that we are "bleeding hearts." Just because you aren't subjected to it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. When right-wingers go on the defensive and begin the name calling - they are usually wrong.

I decided to stop at 1930 since you said there was little evidence of black oppression in this country. If you would like an entire list of hate crimes in America since the 1930's, then I suggest you start with the FBI - they do keep an extensive list of said crimes on file.

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#457 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Your point is? Bush was two terms too. I guess according to your school of thought this makes him a great wonderful President. Oh wait, in political hack parlance that only applies to two term democrat Presidents.
Fair enough, we'll go with "Mister President Bush Light."
This recovering, healthy economy plus no new ground wars is both great and wonderful.....according to my "school of thought"....sic.....

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#458 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
You're boy Obama is doing a hell of a job winning over our allies too:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/01/world/europe/eu...
Maybe we should just call him "Bush Light."
So I would imagine your "boy" not only lost the last election but will lose the next one, eh?

My "boy" is still in the White House - what's your "boy" doing?

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#459 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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That should matter to me why?
Maybe you should've picked the Backstreet Boys also - or do you support heroin addicts as well?

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#460 Jul 1, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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So I would imagine your "boy" not only lost the last election but will lose the next one, eh?
My "boy" is still in the White House - what's your "boy" doing?
We're gonna start up those White House Tours again, exclusively for this new generation of republican's that have never seen it.....Restricted : No tea party House members.....Sorry, we have to draw the line, somewhere.....

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#461 Jul 1, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Actually, you couldn't be more wrong - even if you tried. I said the civil rights of blacks are still being violated in this country, even to this day. I cited proof. You countered with a comparison to the Jewish plight in Nazi Germany. You didn't offer anything to bolster your arguement other than a bunch of long-winded crapola.
You mentioned a bus sticker of a confederate flag on one bus in Georgia or something … oh the scars that must cause an entire nation of black people … how do they even go about their lives knowing there is a racist bus driver in Georgia!!!

You also mentioned that black people are not welcome in some restaurants, to which I said well my whitey self is not welcome in certain establishments frequented by black people. I guess the fact that I'm not welcome in certain establishments frequented by black people should have caused me to fail to graduate high school, have a bunch of babies with a bunch of women, and go to jail.

Not only that, but I got discriminated against when I applied to college. The horror. Now that I think about it, given all this abuse I’ve experienced in life, I should really be on welfare!

What else you got?
milwaukee69 wrote:
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For the last time - it is about civil rights and the violation of said rights - in America.
Not one of the things you’ve mentioned that still occurs today justifies the achievement gap when it comes to black people as a group.
milwaukee69 wrote:
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I decided to stop at 1930 since you said there was little evidence of black oppression in this country. If you would like an entire list of hate crimes in America since the 1930's, then I suggest you start with the FBI - they do keep an extensive list of said crimes on file.
Dude, work on your reading comprehension. What I have consistently said is black people today are not persecuted such that it justifies reserves discrimination against non-blacks or such that it justifies the achievement gap when you compare blacks as a group to other racial groups. Many other groups throughout history have experienced far worse treatment than blacks in America do today and that did not hold them back or cause them to vastly underachieve when given a fair opportunity to succeed.

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#462 Jul 1, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>This recovering, healthy economy plus no new ground wars is both great and wonderful.....according to my "school of thought"....sic.....
The economic recovery has nothing to do with Obama, but keep deluding yourself that anything good that happens is 100% due to him and anything bad that happens is Bush's fault. It's Bush's fault that we bugged our allies on Obama's watch.

It's really too bad our allies are not as dumb as Obama lovers and aren't going to ask Bush, rather than Obama, why we are spying on them.

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#463 Jul 1, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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So I would imagine your "boy" not only lost the last election but will lose the next one, eh?
My "boy" is still in the White House - what's your "boy" doing?
What's my boy doing? He's not pis$ing off our allies by spying on them ... he's not spying on Americans and watching every phone call they make and email they send ... he's not intimidating the press ...

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#464 Jul 1, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Maybe you should've picked the Backstreet Boys also - or do you support heroin addicts as well?
I dunno where you are trying to go with this. I guess I shouldn't listen to the Rolling Stones, cause, <gasp> they used drugs. Oh my gosh! Jimmy Hendrix too! Oh noes!!! Aerosmith, too! Led Zeppelin, oh my word! Who ever will I listen too?

Dude try a little harder at being a d1ck, cause right now, you just look like a f'ing idiot with this notion that no one should like any band if the members did or died from drugs.

FAIL

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#465 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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You mentioned a bus sticker of a confederate flag on one bus in Georgia or something … oh the scars that must cause an entire nation of black people … how do they even go about their lives knowing there is a racist bus driver in Georgia!!!
You also mentioned that black people are not welcome in some restaurants, to which I said well my whitey self is not welcome in certain establishments frequented by black people. I guess the fact that I'm not welcome in certain establishments frequented by black people should have caused me to fail to graduate high school, have a bunch of babies with a bunch of women, and go to jail.

Not only that, but I got discriminated against when I applied to college.

Many other groups throughout history have experienced far worse treatment than blacks in America do today and that did not hold them back or cause them to vastly underachieve when given a fair opportunity to succeed.
I get your deflection - really I do, so please, please don't repeat it, ok?

So you're not welcome in what establishment? Name one. I said I choose not to frequent some establishments - whether I choose to enter is my own right - and that choice is not based on color. I'm talking about blacks not allowed to enter. It's happened just within the last 40 years at Augusta National Golf Club. And it's just not black people - it's women too. Keep that in mind when you conservatives are crying after the next election. And you have the audacity to actually call the gentleman in the White House, "my boy?" That there is pretty racist in itself - which pretty much explains where your brain is at. But of course, when it is second nature in your vocabulary, you really can't help yourself, can you?

Just remember - racism is a terminal desease - and it cannot be cured.

When, if ever, is it appropriate to constitute or create organizations, establishments or businesses whose membership is limited by gender, race, sexual orientation, religion or other criteria?

And lastly, it's not discrimination by a college if you can't pass the entrance exam. Even a primarily black college such as Grambling State has open enrollment to all races - even white - imagine that.

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#466 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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I dunno where you are trying to go with this. I guess I shouldn't listen to the Rolling Stones, cause, <gasp> they used drugs. Oh my gosh! Jimmy Hendrix too! Oh noes!!! Aerosmith, too! Led Zeppelin, oh my word! Who ever will I listen too?
Dude try a little harder at being a d1ck, cause right now, you just look like a f'ing idiot with this notion that no one should like any band if the members did or died from drugs.
FAIL
Lol...you said it dude, not me - take your foot out of your mouth and speak next time.

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#467 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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What's my boy doing? He's not pis$ing off our allies by spying on them ... he's not spying on Americans and watching every phone call they make and email they send ... he's not intimidating the press ...
LMFGDAO!!!

So the FBI finally showed up at your door did they?

Btw - the Discovery Channel has a UFO/Bigfoot marathon this weekend - just your sort of venue.

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#468 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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What's my boy doing? He's not pis$ing off our allies by spying on them ... he's not spying on Americans and watching every phone call they make and email they send ... he's not intimidating the press ...
One last thing before you self-implode...give me a list of allies that we're spying on.

Please refrain from posting YouTube links and blogs - they're almost as worthless as your posts.

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#469 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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What's my boy doing? He's not pis$ing off our allies by spying on them ... he's not spying on Americans and watching every phone call they make and email they send ... he's not intimidating the press ...
No, but he is finally supplementing his income with a part time job.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_y...

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#470 Jul 1, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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I dunno where you are trying to go with this. I guess I shouldn't listen to the Rolling Stones, cause, <gasp> they used drugs. Oh my gosh! Jimmy Hendrix too! Oh noes!!! Aerosmith, too! Led Zeppelin, oh my word! Who ever will I listen too?
Dude try a little harder at being a d1ck, cause right now, you just look like a f'ing idiot with this notion that no one should like any band if the members did or died from drugs.
FAIL
You're comparing Sublime to Zepplin and the Stones?

Dude, Sublime was two albums shy of being a one hit wonder - they sucked!!!

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