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#308 Jun 27, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Never heard of Mississippi lynch mobs, huh?
"There are 2805 [documented] victims of lynch mobs killed between 1882 and 1930 in ten southern states."
State - No. of victims
Mississippi 462
Georgia 423
Louisiana 283
Alabama 262
South Carolina 143
Florida 212
Tennessee 174
Arkansas 162
Kentucky 118
North Carolina 75
And that's just the South - lynchings were not predominantely a Southern thing - lynchings of blacks happened all over the US as recently as the 1960's.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_...
http://www.umass.edu/complit/aclanet/USLynch....
Millions of Jews, had all their possessions confiscated, were made slaves, and then were gassed in the 1940s. Why aren't they all living in ghettos? Why don't only 50% of them graduate high school? Why aren't 70% of Jewish babies born out of wedlock?

At a certain point in time, you need to stop pointing the finger at everyone else and point it at yourself.

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#309 Jun 27, 2013
65007noogard wrote:
<quoted text>
Most would've been more than willing to work with Herman Cain as well.
Right on!

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#310 Jun 27, 2013
To many black folks, he's not a real brother, tho. He doesn't buy into the victim mentality that they've been spoon fed.

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Powellton WV

#311 Jun 27, 2013
We need to approach things like medicine
in a different manner than we have been.

This is just the way it is.

When you take Any job in medicine you
take an oath. Most take that oath very
seriously.
The first day at your job the facility,
the government, the society makes you
break that oath.

Do you understand what I'm saying?

Your oath says : I'll do my best, do
no harm, care for each person ...no matter
what race, religion, illness/injury to the
very best of my ability.

But the facility says: They have no insurance,
or no money, or the insurance company says
"Only 4 days for a person w/COPD whether or
not they are better"....and they make you turn
this person out.
Bam....you just broke your oath.
B/c you put a sick person on the street knowing
they need medical help.

Can you understand where I'm coming from?

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Powellton WV

#312 Jun 27, 2013
We cannot continue to use the "medical
system" as a cash cow for stock holders.

It is IMMORAL.

Medical care should be a Right.

Period.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

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#313 Jun 27, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
You should venture more than 2.5 miles from your house every now and then. Pay a visit to Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, North Carolina and Texas. There is no such thing as civil rights in the SE. I've been there, I know - I've seen it firsthand. Better yet, ask one of our fine Offbeat members that live in the SE like Bex - she's seen it - she knows.
So,by your reasoning there is no racism in say.... Detroit,Chicago's Southside? Watts? How about Watts? East St. Louis? I know,East Philly.... There CAN'T be no racism in East Philly. Right?

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#314 Jun 27, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Why does it matter whether it happened here or not? Millions of Jews were gassed in WWII and many of those who survived came here and did quite well. My friend in college is parents went through “the killing fields” of Cambodia. They started a successful business. You keep saying that far less things that happened here 60 + years ago, mean so much more, but haven’t explained why. I’d much rather not be able to vote and not be able to go white schools, than live through the killing fields.
<quoted text>
MOVE. My ancestors got on a f’ing boat across the ocean, left everything they ever knew, everyone they ever knew, risked death, traveled to a foreign land, where folks spoke a different langague, in search of a better life.
If you wanna get out of the ghetto, don’t want to raise your kids in that environment, go move to f’ing Kansas. That’s what I would do. It’s really stupid personal decisions that perpetuates this cycle. You can live on welfare just as well in Kansas as you can in the inner city … probably better, in fact.
Problem is, folks are unwilling to do things to give their children a brighter future. They'd rather live in a rat infested, crime ridden, ghetto.
Did you say Move?

Oh lord.....where would you like the whole
damn city of Detroit to move?

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Powellton WV

#315 Jun 27, 2013
Poverty in this country is directly
related to political policies.

Maybe the U.S. should take a page
from Brazil's play book.

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Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#316 Jun 27, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
To many black folks, he's not a real brother, tho. He doesn't buy into the victim mentality that they've been spoon fed.
Sweetheart....when you've Been victimized ....
it's not a "mentality."

Only someone who has had all advantages in life
would write something like that.

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#317 Jun 27, 2013
I mean really artic, to me, in this day in age, as I exist now should matter that much more if my great grandparent was treated like in the South 70+ years ago verses in Germany 70+ years ago?

You seem to think if my great grandparent were treated like crap 70+ years ago in the south, this completely justifies me, in this day and age (even though it wasn't me myself who was treated like crap in the south 70+ years ago) being a non-productive member of society, but if my great grandparent were treated like crap 70+ years ago in Germany, it must have been very easy for great grandparent, any intervening family members, and myself to have recover from loss of all our possessions, gas chambers, and enslavement, such that we should naturally have been productive members of society.

That makes no sense.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

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#318 Jun 27, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
And speaking of civil rights...
The US Supreme Court struck down a key part of the Voting Rights Act on Tuesday in a ruling denounced as a setback for civil rights.
Wow!!!
Go figure - 8 white people and one token black guy.
Good. Long overdue. The time is past when special laws/protections for a sacred few continues to be law. The voting rights act AND affirmative action became irrelevant the second Barry H. Obama was announced the winner in November 2007.

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#319 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
We need to approach things like medicine
in a different manner than we have been.
This is just the way it is.
When you take Any job in medicine you
take an oath. Most take that oath very
seriously.
The first day at your job the facility,
the government, the society makes you
break that oath.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Your oath says : I'll do my best, do
no harm, care for each person ...no matter
what race, religion, illness/injury to the
very best of my ability.
But the facility says: They have no insurance,
or no money, or the insurance company says
"Only 4 days for a person w/COPD whether or
not they are better"....and they make you turn
this person out.
Bam....you just broke your oath.
B/c you put a sick person on the street knowing
they need medical help.
Can you understand where I'm coming from?
It's like anything ... there are limited resources. There are not endless supplies of healthcare resources. What universal systems have done is rationed the supplies. Yes, everyone gets healthcare and that's good, but you get a lower standard of care than a system that is not rationed, provided you can afford it, and that is bad if you are one who can afford it.

It's also not any more selfish for me to say gee, I don't want a lower standard of care so that someone else can have a better standard of care than it is for someone currently with a lower standard of care to want me to have a lower standard of care so that they can have a better standard of care. The only difference between us is I pay for my own current standard of care and they want a handout to improve theirs, which IMO makes them more selfish than I.

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#320 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you say Move?
Oh lord.....where would you like the whole
damn city of Detroit to move?
There are 100,000s of other cities in this land. Do you think if I were black, living in Detroit, I'd care where everyone else would move to. Nope, I'd only care about doing what's best for me and my family. Imagine that!

“Voters elect Big Bird”

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#321 Jun 27, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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I'm talking about a Confederate flag decal on a school bus in Georgia. I'm talking about the University of the South. I'm talking about establishments that still don't allow blacks to frequent them in Mississippi. I'm talking about the SB's in Lousisiana that still display their KKK decals in their car window. I'm talking about racism - it is still alive and well in the Southeast. Just not blacks - the holier-than-thou, almighty SB's have now included Hispanics and Muslims on their hate map.
Make no bones about it - racism exists exclusively in every corner of the United States.
Just so you know.... The race card is DEAD. DEAD. DEAD. It has been played so many times for the STUPIDEST,most mundane sh1t that true real racism NOW is ignored.

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#322 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
Sweetheart....when you've Been victimized ....
it's not a "mentality."
Only someone who has had all advantages in life
would write something like that.
Folks today are not victimized. The only things you've pointed to are things that happened 50+ years ago, stickers on a bus, and the fact that some people aren't welcome in certain restaurants. If I couldn't eat at McDonalds cause I'm white, had to ride on a bus with a sticker that said "I hate whitey," and my grandpa couldn't drink out of certain water fountains, I think I'd be just fine, even if I hated McDonalds.

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#323 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
Poverty in this country is directly
related to political policies.
Maybe the U.S. should take a page
from Brazil's play book.
Poverty is directly related to individual choices and family values. This is why Asian folks generally don't live on welfare in this country, even Asians that come here from countries where they were repressed.

Political policies can be used to incentive better individual choices, but for that to happen, you have to be careful about rewarding poor decision making and to the extent you do assist folks, you should structure programs to make sure folks are putting their best foot forward or giving something back to society in exchange for aid. If you just give folks a free lunch, it does nothing to change the root of poverty, which again is poor decision making and family values. It re-enforces these things.

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Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#324 Jun 27, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's like anything ... there are limited resources. There are not endless supplies of healthcare resources. What universal systems have done is rationed the supplies. Yes, everyone gets healthcare and that's good, but you get a lower standard of care than a system that is not rationed, provided you can afford it, and that is bad if you are one who can afford it.
It's also not any more selfish for me to say gee, I don't want a lower standard of care so that someone else can have a better standard of care than it is for someone currently with a lower standard of care to want me to have a lower standard of care so that they can have a better standard of care. The only difference between us is I pay for my own current standard of care and they want a handout to improve theirs, which IMO makes them more selfish than I.
It's not a lower standard of care.
Canadian medical care is very good.

You're listening to talking points alone.

YOU don't have to give up your health
care so others can have.
That's just a myth.

Do you think there aren't enough ARVs in
the world to cover everyone? There is enough
to cover each and every single person in the
entire world.....IF that is you can afford them.

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Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#325 Jun 27, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are 100,000s of other cities in this land. Do you think if I were black, living in Detroit, I'd care where everyone else would move to. Nope, I'd only care about doing what's best for me and my family. Imagine that!
There are 100,000s cities in this land.
And each and every one of them have it's
poor, basically "black" section.

Even the local college town has an area
called "D-Block."
It covers the projects. Funnily enough
there are a lot of ppl from Detroit living
there.

Level 9

Since: Nov 10

Powellton WV

#326 Jun 27, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Folks today are not victimized. The only things you've pointed to are things that happened 50+ years ago, stickers on a bus, and the fact that some people aren't welcome in certain restaurants. If I couldn't eat at McDonalds cause I'm white, had to ride on a bus with a sticker that said "I hate whitey," and my grandpa couldn't drink out of certain water fountains, I think I'd be just fine, even if I hated McDonalds.
Those ppl that were victimized 50 yrs ago are still
alive. And they have kids and grandkids. No doubt
their kids were raised w/these stories. Also w/warnings
to keep their kids out of the same situations.

Racism is ugly and evil and it is dying a long, slow,
hard death in this country.

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#327 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not a lower standard of care.
Canadian medical care is very good.
You're listening to talking points alone.
YOU don't have to give up your health
care so others can have.
That's just a myth.
Do you think there aren't enough ARVs in
the world to cover everyone? There is enough
to cover each and every single person in the
entire world.....IF that is you can afford them.
If you wish to see a specialist in Canada, you have double the wait time than in the U.S. That's why some Canadians come here for procedures and you don't ever hear of Americans going to Canada for procedures. Imagine having cancer and having to wait twice as long to see a specialist, just so someone can have free healthcare. No thank you.

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