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#247 Jun 26, 2013
Marissa 2 wrote:
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I do consider myself to be a Conservative...but I actually vote for the person...rather than Party...but Obama is just a dismal failure...I give him an F...just like I gave W. Bush...no lol
Yeah I know what you mean. Voting for the person is the best way to go versus voting for the party. I'm the same way although I am a registered Democrat. I did vote for Obama but he didn't originally have my support. I was supporting Hillary from the get go. Obama was an experiment and although I don't give a flat out F, I give him a C- considering the utter disaster created by the Texan who was in office before him who couldn't even run an oil business in "Little Big Texas" but somehow people thought he could run a surplus that Clinton left. It's going to take another 2 Presidents to get back to normal and people can't see that (or too stupid to see it). Giving Obama my vote was a tough decision because I was considering voting for the opponent but I'm one person who actually research both candidates from both sides and their votes in the past and such. There are no good candidates anymore smh. We're stuck with Dumb and Dumberer for candidates now from both parties.

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#248 Jun 26, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Not doubting what you're saying, but ABC, NBC and CBS are not 24-hour news broadcast stations - typically.
Kinda' apples to oranges a lil' bit other than FOX and MSNBC.
Watching this coverage of the George Zimmerman trial...i was wondering just when the "L" in HLN began to start standing for, LYNCHMOB?

“Voters elect Big Bird”

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#249 Jun 26, 2013
arctic wrote:
We sit here and watch other countries
DO what we Should be doing but are being
plain sh1t a$$ stubborn about.
Like banking regulations.
Canada has never had a bank crisis and
we've had what...? 16 in 100 yrs? lol
Universal health care...Canada, France,
Australia, Great Britain, Cuba, Germany,
...New Zealand for f@cks sake.
Gun regulation...see above countries.
Feel free to move to the "above" country that suits you best. I'm sure they'd welcome you with open arms....... Just be sure in your revoking your American Citizenship you tell them you want to live in a country just.....like......theirs.

Oh,and if there IS something you don't agree with that you want to invoke your civil right to protest the current offending law and have it AMENDED to how YOU think it should be.

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#250 Jun 26, 2013
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Okay. 4:1......Still a little one sided. But not to worry. Fox STILL pulls in the ratings those 4 would DIE(NOT a bad idea) for. Wonder if it has something to do with their message,or maybe the MESSengers.
Just like, Dancing With The Stars and Honey BooBoo....how impressive.....people love the carnival and car crashes too.....

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Powellton WV

#251 Jun 26, 2013
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Feel free to move to the "above" country that suits you best. I'm sure they'd welcome you with open arms....... Just be sure in your revoking your American Citizenship you tell them you want to live in a country just.....like......theirs.
Oh,and if there IS something you don't agree with that you want to invoke your civil right to protest the current offending law and have it AMENDED to how YOU think it should be.
I am an American and thus have say so
in this country.

Last time I checked our government was
"by, for and of the ppl" and WE are the ppl.

We are protesting. Signing petitions and
calling our senators.
Joe Manchin (sp?) is listening.
I wish others were.

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#252 Jun 26, 2013
WV was blessed with Senator Byrd.
He worked For WV until the day he died
and we mourned his loss.

When Joe took his place I didn't like it.
But he has proven himself to be a listener.
Like Byrd.
But if others don't help ....?
What can be done?

“Voters elect Big Bird”

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#253 Jun 26, 2013
arctic wrote:
WV was blessed with Senator Byrd.
He worked For WV until the day he died
and we mourned his loss.
When Joe took his place I didn't like it.
But he has proven himself to be a listener.
Like Byrd.
But if others don't help ....?
What can be done?
Byrd was like many old time Dixiecrats. He has 4-SALE stamped all over his forehead. When the Klan was paying his price he found being a klansman profitable. When the tide turned he sold out to the civil rights Klan. When the enviro-whackos started making noise he paid the environment lip service but protected King Coal. If he had lasted a few more years he'd of sold out King Coal as Oblammer pushed his "Green" (as in folding green to his cronies)agenda and coal was demonized even more. Mancin will do what is best for mancin..... That's what politicians DO.

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Right here under my thumb

#254 Jun 27, 2013
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Okay. 4:1......Still a little one sided. But not to worry. Fox STILL pulls in the ratings those 4 would DIE(NOT a bad idea) for. Wonder if it has something to do with their message,or maybe the MESSengers.
Fact: FOX news does have all the foxes.

I like watching FOX with the mute button on.

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#255 Jun 27, 2013
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Very interesting, milwaukee69.

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#256 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
I think somewhere around 70% of
the country is on the same page.
Ppl are tired of the B.S.
Tired of "the banks failing" and
"wall street crashing"
Tired of the "war on drugs."
Agreed.
arctic wrote:
Tired of "bail outs."
Agreed to some extent. The bail outs were necessary, tho, in many cases to prevent the problem from becoming much worse. The problem is one the front end, the regulatory aspect … the goal should be to prevent the necessity of bailouts.
arctic wrote:
Tired of the bigotry over homosexuals.
Agreed. The republicans are on the wrong side of history.
arctic wrote:
Tired of the bigotry over sex.
What do you mean by this?
arctic wrote:
Tired of the bigotry over race.
What do you mean by this? I think affirmative action needs to go away. I also think racial discrimination laws need to be enforced, but I don’t think any race should be given special treatment.
arctic wrote:
Tired of fighting the same g@ddamn
battles over and over like abortion.
Agreed.

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#257 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
We sit here and watch other countries
DO what we Should be doing but are being
plain sh1t a$$ stubborn about.
Like banking regulations.
Canada has never had a bank crisis and
we've had what...? 16 in 100 yrs? lol
Agreed. The problem is there is no “American Public Lobby”. There sure is a banking lobby, however.
arctic wrote:
Universal health care...Canada, France,
Australia, Great Britain, Cuba, Germany,
...New Zealand for f@cks sake.
Every study that compares our system with that in those countries shows that those who already have insurance in this country would have worse insurance under a universal system. A universal system is a rationed system. Rationed systems leads to shortages and waiting periods.

Why should those of us with insurance have worst healthcare so that other people can have better healthcare? Is their health more important than mine? As is often the case, those who want handouts say “hey, we are all one team and need to work together,” but it’s a one way street. It’s only a “team,” when they want something from someone else.

The 50 percent of us who actually pay income taxes are expected to give them more and more and they ar unwilling to do anything more to contribute. And you can say, we’ll they don’t want to be that way and they have no choice, but there is something to be said about lying in the bed that you made for yourself, instead of transferring costs of poor decision making onto those who did not make those decisions.

I don’t put my hand on a hot stove, because it will burn my hand … if doing so caused your hand to get burned, rather than mine, I’d be more inclined to put my hand on a hot stove. You completely ignore this aspect in your political thought, i.e. by shifting costs of poor decision making onto others and society at large you lessen the disincentive for folks to behave like irresponsible jacka$ses. The policies you advocate directly lead to a more irresponsible society. We need a more responsible society, not a less responsible society.

Folks in Asia don’t live in ghettos, barely speak their language, have babies when they are 15 or 16 nearly to the extent that folks in our society does, because it’s highly frowned upon and they have higher standards when it comes to personal responsibility and accountably. Education is also stressed far more over there, at the family level. Our deficiencies in this regard are the primary cause of poverty. Shifting the costs associated with these values, simply encourages these values. We need to go more in the opposite direction, IMO.

Yes, there should be a safety net, but as JFK said, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Far too many folks only ask for shyte from this country.
arctic wrote:
Gun regulation...see above countries.
None of the gun regulation laws would do much to stem gun violence. They are mostly feel good measures. Most gun violence is caused by handguns and much of it is confined to inner city violence.

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#258 Jun 27, 2013
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Byrd was like many old time Dixiecrats. He has 4-SALE stamped all over his forehead. When the Klan was paying his price he found being a klansman profitable. When the tide turned he sold out to the civil rights Klan. When the enviro-whackos started making noise he paid the environment lip service but protected King Coal. If he had lasted a few more years he'd of sold out King Coal as Oblammer pushed his "Green" (as in folding green to his cronies)agenda and coal was demonized even more. Mancin will do what is best for mancin..... That's what politicians DO.
"That's what politicians DO"

Not exactly.

They are supposed to DO what their voters
Say do. And, as times change, so do ppl and
their ideas.
Mancins ideas aren't popular in Washington.
In many circles they are not even popular here,
mostly among the undereducated.(or flat out
stupid)
But if you look at the country as a whole then
yes, he has the majority support.

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#259 Jun 27, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Agreed.
<quoted text>
Agreed to some extent. The bail outs were necessary, tho, in many cases to prevent the problem from becoming much worse. The problem is one the front end, the regulatory aspect … the goal should be to prevent the necessity of bailouts.
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Agreed. The republicans are on the wrong side of history.
<quoted text>
What do you mean by this?
<quoted text>
What do you mean by this? I think affirmative action needs to go away. I also think racial discrimination laws need to be enforced, but I don’t think any race should be given special treatment.
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Agreed.
There is still discrimination.
Against African Americans and women.

I don't agree w/this new argument that
says: Racism is gone so we should do away
w/the laws against it.

It's really not gone.

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Powellton WV

#260 Jun 27, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Agreed. The problem is there is no “American Public Lobby”. There sure is a banking lobby, however.
<quoted text>
Every study that compares our system with that in those countries shows that those who already have insurance in this country would have worse insurance under a universal system. A universal system is a rationed system. Rationed systems leads to shortages and waiting periods.
Why should those of us with insurance have worst healthcare so that other people can have better healthcare? Is their health more important than mine? As is often the case, those who want handouts say “hey, we are all one team and need to work together,” but it’s a one way street. It’s only a “team,” when they want something from someone else.
The 50 percent of us who actually pay income taxes are expected to give them more and more and they ar unwilling to do anything more to contribute. And you can say, we’ll they don’t want to be that way and they have no choice, but there is something to be said about lying in the bed that you made for yourself, instead of transferring costs of poor decision making onto those who did not make those decisions.
I don’t put my hand on a hot stove, because it will burn my hand … if doing so caused your hand to get burned, rather than mine, I’d be more inclined to put my hand on a hot stove. You completely ignore this aspect in your political thought, i.e. by shifting costs of poor decision making onto others and society at large you lessen the disincentive for folks to behave like irresponsible jacka$ses. The policies you advocate directly lead to a more irresponsible society. We need a more responsible society, not a less responsible society.
Folks in Asia don’t live in ghettos, barely speak their language, have babies when they are 15 or 16 nearly to the extent that folks in our society does, because it’s highly frowned upon and they have higher standards when it comes to personal responsibility and accountably. Education is also stressed far more over there, at the family level. Our deficiencies in this regard are the primary cause of poverty. Shifting the costs associated with these values, simply encourages these values. We need to go more in the opposite direction, IMO.
Yes, there should be a safety net, but as JFK said, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Far too many folks only ask for shyte from this country.
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None of the gun regulation laws would do much to stem gun violence. They are mostly feel good measures. Most gun violence is caused by handguns and much of it is confined to inner city violence.
Your logic, when it comes to universal
health care, is what?

You have it. It's good insurance.
Anyone who doesn't have good insurance or enough
money to pay for it did something wrong in life
and should suffer for it?

Is that about right or did I misunderstand?

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#261 Jun 27, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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Agreed. The problem is there is no “American Public Lobby”. There sure is a banking lobby, however.
<quoted text>
Every study that compares our system with that in those countries shows that those who already have insurance in this country would have worse insurance under a universal system. A universal system is a rationed system. Rationed systems leads to shortages and waiting periods.
Why should those of us with insurance have worst healthcare so that other people can have better healthcare? Is their health more important than mine? As is often the case, those who want handouts say “hey, we are all one team and need to work together,” but it’s a one way street. It’s only a “team,” when they want something from someone else.
The 50 percent of us who actually pay income taxes are expected to give them more and more and they ar unwilling to do anything more to contribute. And you can say, we’ll they don’t want to be that way and they have no choice, but there is something to be said about lying in the bed that you made for yourself, instead of transferring costs of poor decision making onto those who did not make those decisions.
I don’t put my hand on a hot stove, because it will burn my hand … if doing so caused your hand to get burned, rather than mine, I’d be more inclined to put my hand on a hot stove. You completely ignore this aspect in your political thought, i.e. by shifting costs of poor decision making onto others and society at large you lessen the disincentive for folks to behave like irresponsible jacka$ses. The policies you advocate directly lead to a more irresponsible society. We need a more responsible society, not a less responsible society.
Folks in Asia don’t live in ghettos, barely speak their language, have babies when they are 15 or 16 nearly to the extent that folks in our society does, because it’s highly frowned upon and they have higher standards when it comes to personal responsibility and accountably. Education is also stressed far more over there, at the family level. Our deficiencies in this regard are the primary cause of poverty. Shifting the costs associated with these values, simply encourages these values. We need to go more in the opposite direction, IMO.
Yes, there should be a safety net, but as JFK said, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. Far too many folks only ask for shyte from this country.
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None of the gun regulation laws would do much to stem gun violence. They are mostly feel good measures. Most gun violence is caused by handguns and much of it is confined to inner city violence.
Australia had numerous "mass shootings" prior
to enacting gun laws.

Since those laws they have had no mass shootings.

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#262 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
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There is still discrimination.
Against African Americans and women.
I don't agree w/this new argument that
says: Racism is gone so we should do away
w/the laws against it.
It's really not gone.
I never said we should do away with laws against it. Affirmative action on the other hand is a law that causes it.

Affirmative action is government sanction discrimination against whites and Asians too. To me when your own government discriminates against you, that's worse than racism at an individual level.

You are always going to have racism at an individual level, and it's not just white folks. How many white folks does say a director like Spike Lee employee on his sets? Two cameramen of equal ability, one white, one black, who do you think he hires?

None of the women in my family or any women I am friends with feel discriminated against have felt discriminated against because they are women. I am sure it happens to some on an individual level and that's wrong and there should be laws against that and they should be enforced, but I don't think it's a huge problem. I also think men my age are less likely to do so towards women. I don't think it makes one bit of difference. The old guard, i.e. the boomers, is moving on to retirement too. I think it was a more prevalent problem in previous generations.

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#263 Jun 27, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
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I never said we should do away with laws against it. Affirmative action on the other hand is a law that causes it.
Affirmative action is government sanction discrimination against whites and Asians too. To me when your own government discriminates against you, that's worse than racism at an individual level.
You are always going to have racism at an individual level, and it's not just white folks. How many white folks does say a director like Spike Lee employee on his sets? Two cameramen of equal ability, one white, one black, who do you think he hires?
None of the women in my family or any women I am friends with feel discriminated against have felt discriminated against because they are women. I am sure it happens to some on an individual level and that's wrong and there should be laws against that and they should be enforced, but I don't think it's a huge problem. I also think men my age are less likely to do so towards women. I don't think it makes one bit of difference. The old guard, i.e. the boomers, is moving on to retirement too. I think it was a more prevalent problem in previous generations.
Affirmative action burns your ass b/c you
feel like it is Your government discriminating
against you?

Must be how African Americans have felt in this
country for 500 yrs.

Just because "whites" have grudging gone along
w/civil rights laws for the last what..?...40 yrs
...doesn't mean that racism is gone.

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#264 Jun 27, 2013
And as for women....?

We still make less money, on average,
for the same work.

So the statistics say.

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#265 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
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Your logic, when it comes to universal
health care, is what?
You have it. It's good insurance.
Anyone who doesn't have good insurance or enough
money to pay for it did something wrong in life
and should suffer for it?
Is that about right or did I misunderstand?
No, my logic is, I fail to see why I should have a lower standard of healthcare just so someone can have better healthcare. My logic is that my healthcare is not less important than someone else’s healthcare and they have a lot of nerve if they want me to be worse off, just so they can be better off, without lifting a finger.

I also think the government should focus on making healthcare more affordable, rather than simply taking money from some and giving it to others to buy it for them, which is nothing more than cost shifting. If the government took all your assets and gave them to me so that I could buy a Ferrari, that still doesn’t make the Ferrari and affordable car or as affordable as say a Ford. Calling that act the “Affordable Care Act” is actually a misnomer. It does almost nothing to make healthcare more affordable at a national level. It simply shifts costs. If they put 10% of the effort into fixing a system that has us pay way more for pharmaceutical drugs than folks do in other nations for the same drugs, as they did into enacting that the ACA, that alone would have saved everyone a ton of money and everyone would have been commending Obama and the democrats.

My logic is also if you set yourself up to be a walmart greeter or a cashier and expect to be paid like a highly skilled worker and expect to receive benefits commensurate with a highly skilled worker, such as an engineer, tradesman, or college graduate, you are quite foolish and you really only have yourself to blame when you find out that walmart greeters and cashiers don’t command that level of salary and benefits. I’d also ask what rock you had been living under for the 18 years before you became an adult, when you should have been thinking about your future. If you thought you could raise a family in that line of work, I’d say you are downright delusional, should not have had any children, and were irresponsible if you did. Why do folks feel they can have kids they can’t afford and expect society to pay for what is really their responsibility? Isn’t that irresponsible? Am I missing something?

I also think there are two types of people … those who look within when they want to improve their life and those who look at others and expect others to give them stuff when they want to improve their life. While there are no hard and fast rules (hence I’m not talking about “anyone” or “everyone” as you understood) and sometimes bad things happen to good people (that’s the minority, however … the vast minority … the vast majority who find themselves in need of continuous need of government support mindlessly go through life not thinking about their future or putting in the effort to set themselves up for a good future … they’ve abrogated that responsibility), it’s this dichotomy of thought process that largely explains why some people achieve and others do not.

We need more achievers in our society and less takers. By rewarding takers with an ever increasing level of handouts, demanding less and less accountability, cost shifting the consequences of poor decision making, punishing achievers by making them pay for more and more handouts for the takers, you incentivize being a taker and disincentivize being an achiever. <<<< This is a fact … it’s basic human nature … it’s basic animal nature. Leave dog good out for a coyote and see how much it puts in the effort to go hunt game on its own? A lot of folks are no different. You need to be mindful of this aspect when considering social policy. It’s so important, but it’s an afterthought to liberals.

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#266 Jun 27, 2013
arctic wrote:
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Affirmative action burns your ass b/c you
feel like it is Your government discriminating
against you?
Must be how African Americans have felt in this
country for 500 yrs.
Just because "whites" have grudging gone along
w/civil rights laws for the last what..?...40 yrs
...doesn't mean that racism is gone.
So, two wrongs make a right? Because blacks were treated bad by previous generations, my generation should be punished. Do I understand you correctly?

Also, you are flat out wrong that whites begrudge civil rights. I don't know any white folks who think folks of other skin colors should be treated other than equally.

As is often the case with liberal policies, they know no sensible limits ... now according to liberal dogma, unless you support reverse discrimination and punishing white folks for past sins against minorities, you are a racist or begrudge the civil rights movement. It's not enough just to advocate for equality and color blindness. You must instead advocate for favoritism.

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