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Is that a "WHITE" racist question?
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Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:32 PM PDT.

www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/18/1201804/-De...

Democrats need to do better with white voters part 4

What do I mean by "Democrats need to better with white voters"? And what do I mean by "part 4"? The latter is easy to answer. It turned into a multi-post subject, where the entirety of part 1 was devoted just to answering the question of why. That's why I'm going to give just the brief version of why Democrats need to win more white votes, despite all the attention given to generational differences among voters and the Republican attempts at reaching out to young people, non-whites, generally what the recent elections revealed as Democratic-leaning demographic groups (DLDGs). The gist is this:

President Obama won the popular vote by a narrow enough margin, that Republicans can overcome it if they have any success reaching out to DLDGs. Yes, I'm aware of how they've been tripping over their own tongues, but let's give ourselves a margin of error by assuming they do better enough at outreach to give themselves a chance at the electoral college.
Republicans won a healthy majority of the US House with a large minority of the overall vote, and a similar dynamic holds true in many state legislatures. We have to win more white voters if we hope to win majorities of seats.

I'm aware the demographic trends have been in our favor, but I don't see why we should concede elections while we wait for elections to be handed to us. I also don't like just assuming current trends continue. I prefer giving ourselves a margin of error, just in case GOP outreach works, or demographic trends change.

So that's the brief version of why Democrats have to win more white voters. There are a lot of variables involved, like age, religion, income, a bunch more, and identifying those was done in part 2 (please check there before asking why I didn't consider something, because probably I did). I devoted part 3 to one variable, population density, which has a remarkable correlation to the presidential vote. It got its own post partly because it's rather complicated, but also because this seems like the single most important variable. At a minimum, it seems population density will suggest some overlooked targets for future elections and possible future strategies.

So in this final part, we get down to the application of all this analysis. How do we win more white votes? If it was resolvable in a single blog post I suppose it would be more obvious and already done, so I can't pretend to have the whole solution. I do have ideas though, after the jump, but first one point to make about the feasibility of winning a bigger share of the white vote. Could we increase Obama's 39% a few points to, say, 43%? Obama's share in 2008 was, oh look, 43%. That would seem definitive proof we can do this. So let's do this:

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Somebody needs to start listening to middle class rural voters. Right now, neither major party is.

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Take their food stamps and welfare away! The GOP does that to them and these folks LOVE them for it!

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YES

Many rural ppl are working class
citizens (whatever the hell that
means these days) and Need the
education.

They get hung up on "non issues",
mostly due to lack of education,
and don't see the bigger picture.

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With many of them Fox news is
the gospel truth even tho they
have been caught up time and
time again distorting the truth.

If they could start seeing past
these "non issues" like gay marriage,
abortion (which has been legal since
the '60s), or the ever fav around
here "He's going to take my gun",
we Might actually be able to get
the important things accomplished.

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arctic wrote:
With many of them Fox news is
the gospel truth even tho they
have been caught up time and
time again distorting the truth.
If they could start seeing past
these "non issues" like gay marriage,
abortion (which has been legal since
the '60s), or the ever fav around
here "He's going to take my gun",
we Might actually be able to get
the important things accomplished.
Well, that answers my question about your previous post ... "what do you mean?" And pre-empted how I was going to respond.

"God(gays, abortions, non-white people, and non-Christians who AREN'T terrorists) and guns." That about covers it.

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I don't think they care. They have all the poor and the illegal Mexicans and don't need the rest of us to win an election. And they aren't even trying to clean up the rolls where Mickey Mouse, etc, vote in Chicago.

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Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
Thu Apr 18, 2013 at 01:32 PM PDT.
www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/18/1201804/-De...
Democrats need to do better with white voters part 4
What do I mean by "Democrats need to better with white voters"? And what do I mean by "part 4"? The latter is easy to answer. It turned into a multi-post subject, where the entirety of part 1 was devoted just to answering the question of why. That's why I'm going to give just the brief version of why Democrats need to win more white votes, despite all the attention given to generational differences among voters and the Republican attempts at reaching out to young people, non-whites, generally what the recent elections revealed as Democratic-leaning demographic groups (DLDGs). The gist is this:
President Obama won the popular vote by a narrow enough margin, that Republicans can overcome it if they have any success reaching out to DLDGs. Yes, I'm aware of how they've been tripping over their own tongues, but let's give ourselves a margin of error by assuming they do better enough at outreach to give themselves a chance at the electoral college.
Republicans won a healthy majority of the US House with a large minority of the overall vote, and a similar dynamic holds true in many state legislatures. We have to win more white voters if we hope to win majorities of seats.
I'm aware the demographic trends have been in our favor, but I don't see why we should concede elections while we wait for elections to be handed to us. I also don't like just assuming current trends continue. I prefer giving ourselves a margin of error, just in case GOP outreach works, or demographic trends change.
So that's the brief version of why Democrats have to win more white voters. There are a lot of variables involved, like age, religion, income, a bunch more, and identifying those was done in part 2 (please check there before asking why I didn't consider something, because probably I did). I devoted part 3 to one variable, population density, which has a remarkable correlation to the presidential vote. It got its own post partly because it's rather complicated, but also because this seems like the single most important variable. At a minimum, it seems population density will suggest some overlooked targets for future elections and possible future strategies.
So in this final part, we get down to the application of all this analysis. How do we win more white votes? If it was resolvable in a single blog post I suppose it would be more obvious and already done, so I can't pretend to have the whole solution. I do have ideas though, after the jump, but first one point to make about the feasibility of winning a bigger share of the white vote. Could we increase Obama's 39% a few points to, say, 43%? Obama's share in 2008 was, oh look, 43%. That would seem definitive proof we can do this. So let's do this:
All fine and dandy; but, a factor of gerrymandering Congressional districts (legal and accepted of course) and the effect of same isn't addressed in this analysis. Congressional politics is the real driver of our mess and morass or our progress in getting things done.

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arctic wrote:
With many of them Fox news is
the gospel truth even tho they
have been caught up time and
time again distorting the truth.
If they could start seeing past
these "non issues" like gay marriage,
abortion (which has been legal since
the '60s), or the ever fav around
here "He's going to take my gun",
we Might actually be able to get
the important things accomplished.
Politics 101 is misdirecting the peoples minds with the smoke and mirrors of non-issues to keep them from realizing that they are getting screwed another way. Like (just a for instance) forget about Wall Street and the bankers being punished for orchestrating the worst recession since The Great Depression- lets drug test those greedy welfare users and save dozens of dollars! And it was teachers and Unions that caused the crisis anyways because they are teaching kids that they should get abortions when they gay marry...

It's always been like this. Politicians count on it. You've read the people. People aren't THAT smart.

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arctic wrote:
Many rural ppl are working class
citizens (whatever the hell that
means these days) and Need the
education.
Boy, you're not kidding!

Without a cyber-matematics & English degree from EKU, most goat ranchers in Indiana wouldn't have a clue as to how to post on Topix - let alone paste and copy SPAM.

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'i'm going to let your 'sweetheart' answer that one for me.
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I don't think they care. They have all the poor and the illegal Mexicans and don't need the rest of us to win an election.
Yep! that bunch and who've they elected are doing a great job!

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Half those who voted for him ca't read, the others just want Obama's stash and all of them can cash their Wlfare checks.
What will they do ifthe other side decides to quit paying their bills?

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quilterqueen wrote:
Half those who voted for him ca't read, the others just want Obama's stash and all of them can cash their Wlfare checks.
What will they do ifthe other side decides to quit paying their bills?
Or write, or spell, or type, or etc.

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quilterqueen wrote:
Half those who voted for him ca't read, the others just want Obama's stash and all of them can cash their Wlfare checks.
What will they do ifthe other side decides to quit paying their bills?
Wel sed!

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WHAT???

Are we now..PICKING on the WHITE POOR FOLKS..that live in RURAL AREAS??.. Sounds like SEGREGATION to Me..I can't STAND.. IT...WHEN election time rolls around AND all eyes are focused on the HISPANICS and BLACK College STUDENTS!!!

VOTERS are VOTERS..regardless of your RACE, CREED, NATIONALITY...

IF WHAT you are proposing.. A BILL that will BENEFIT AMERICA'S CITIZENS.. The VOTERS will YAY IT...NOT NAY IT!!

The President, CONGRESS and The Senate...NEED to RECOGNIZE the American Citizen's..THEMSELVES....and NOT..their ORIGIN!!!

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Right on!!!

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Rural people don't count.

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I'm a rural White Independent voter and yes I count.

I can read and spell and I'm not on Welfare.

Yeah, no kiddin'..

I own my business and a farm.

Oh yes indeed I count!!

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Deer Whisperer wrote:
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Well, that answers my question about your previous post ... "what do you mean?" And pre-empted how I was going to respond.
"God(gays, abortions, non-white people, and non-Christians who AREN'T terrorists) and guns." That about covers it.
God shouldn't even be an issue in Any election.

Separation of church and state is fundamental.

Even tho half of the ppl around here don't understand
the concept.

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