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#19843 Dec 15, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>All I want is a fighting chance :)Instead of 20 people being killed the number will be much smaller if someone is shooting back at them
the number would also be smaller if the guy had no gun at all ....

3 adults teachers could have jumped a guy with a knife and overpowered him without risk to their own lives ... but a man with a gun can shoot down a hall at someone coming at them ...

true .. a gun can counter a gun ..

But consider this ....

considering the amount of road rage, etc, I shudder to think that everyone in a car has a loaded gun with them ...

“guess who Lois?”

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#19844 Dec 15, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>All I want is a fighting chance :)Instead of 20 people being killed the number will be much smaller if someone is shooting back at them
consider this ... how many bar fights occur on a daily basis around the world? Usually drugs and alchohol are part of the reason for the fracass in the first place.

Also, lets add the wife beaters out there to the list.

Let's imagine we put a loaded gun into everyone's hand ...

how many will use a gun instead of their fists?

If only one in 1000 decided to use a gun in that situation, How many shootings PER DAY would occur if everyone had a loaded gun with them?

Sadly the world has about 1% of the population that has little self control when they get angry, many of them are dangerous ... but 1% of the world is 70 million people ...

I don't think that the "one gun counters another gun" theory works with these poeple.

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#19845 Dec 16, 2012
Glad to see that somebody has been keeping the fire
stoked and the coffee pot going.

Have learned to my cost that the 'flu jab does not entirely protect against 'flu. But...at least
time to recover before Christmas.

Good Morning All Stateside and G'Afternoon this side
of the pond.

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#19846 Dec 16, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>That is exactly what the founders wanted. A well armed people and no large standing army. Title 10 says everyone is in the militia age 21 to 40. If you have previous experience in the army you are in the militia till age 65. I feel much safer knowing people with no criminal record are armed like I am when I go out in public. I don't want only the criminals to be armed ! You meet the most polite people in gun shows :)
You have made some extremely valid points Denny, most informative to the layman in respect of your country's laws and such.

Just one thing, and that is, I believe the mother of the assailant was also a member of a gun show...and possibly her sons also, at least the
one who murdered her, as she taught him to shoot or was responsible for him learning to shoot.

“ain't she sweet?”

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#19847 Dec 16, 2012
franko wrote:
<quoted text>the number would also be smaller if the guy had no gun at all ....

3 adults teachers could have jumped a guy with a knife and overpowered him without risk to their own lives ... but a man with a gun can shoot down a hall at someone coming at them ...

true .. a gun can counter a gun ..

But consider this ....

considering the amount of road rage, etc, I shudder to think that everyone in a car has a loaded gun with them ...
Great minds are thinking alike, especially on the last part. Reasonable people have been known to snap.

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#19848 Dec 16, 2012
franko wrote:
<quoted text>consider this ... how many bar fights occur on a daily basis around the world? Usually drugs and alchohol are part of the reason for the fracass in the first place.

Also, lets add the wife beaters out there to the list.

Let's imagine we put a loaded gun into everyone's hand ...

how many will use a gun instead of their fists?

If only one in 1000 decided to use a gun in that situation, How many shootings PER DAY would occur if everyone had a loaded gun with them?

Sadly the world has about 1% of the population that has little self control when they get angry, many of them are dangerous ... but 1% of the world is 70 million people ...

I don't think that the "one gun counters another gun" theory works with these poeple.
.....and again, some of those folks may have been perfectly reasonable law abiding people who for whatever reason snapped.

“Grab all the good”

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#19849 Dec 16, 2012
franko wrote:
<quoted text>the number would also be smaller if the guy had no gun at all ....
3 adults teachers could have jumped a guy with a knife and overpowered him without risk to their own lives ... but a man with a gun can shoot down a hall at someone coming at them ...
true .. a gun can counter a gun ..
But consider this ....
considering the amount of road rage, etc, I shudder to think that everyone in a car has a loaded gun with them ...
Franco most state have carry laws and there are always guns in my car as well as other drivers. We have had concealed carry for about 15 years here in Texas without all the violence that the anti gun crowd said would happen. It has been the same in all the other states as well

“ain't she sweet?”

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#19850 Dec 16, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
Glad to see that somebody has been keeping the fire
stoked and the coffee pot going.

Have learned to my cost that the 'flu jab does not entirely protect against 'flu. But...at least
time to recover before Christmas.

Good Morning All Stateside and G'Afternoon this side
of the pond.
Hope you're feeling better and all good for the holidays!

“Grab all the good”

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Since: Jul 10

Rowlett Tx

#19851 Dec 16, 2012
franko wrote:
<quoted text>consider this ... how many bar fights occur on a daily basis around the world? Usually drugs and alchohol are part of the reason for the fracass in the first place.
Also, lets add the wife beaters out there to the list.
Let's imagine we put a loaded gun into everyone's hand ...
how many will use a gun instead of their fists?
If only one in 1000 decided to use a gun in that situation, How many shootings PER DAY would occur if everyone had a loaded gun with them?
Sadly the world has about 1% of the population that has little self control when they get angry, many of them are dangerous ... but 1% of the world is 70 million people ...
I don't think that the "one gun counters another gun" theory works with these poeple.
Not everyone should have a gun. It is illegal for felons to even own a gun. We have 500,000 Texans with carry permits and things work fine. Crime rates have dropped as states have carry permits. The thing is you never know who is armed. Criminals think twice before they mug someone. In Texas we have about 24 million people with about 51 million guns and that is fine with me. I don't fear the average person who has a carry permit. I am glad he is there. He may save my wifes life if a nut is on a killing spree

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#19852 Dec 16, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
You have made some extremely valid points Denny, most informative to the layman in respect of your country's laws and such.
Just one thing, and that is, I believe the mother of the assailant was also a member of a gun show...and possibly her sons also, at least the
one who murdered her, as she taught him to shoot or was responsible for him learning to shoot.
Good morning El. I hope you are feeling better. A Gun show is like a town market. Dealers in arms rent a table and sell their wares. They obey the same gun laws that are in effect everywhere. Individuals who own a gun can sell their property to anyone. Here we have a tradition of hunting and owning guns. I recently sold several guns at a gun show and bought a new one.

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#19853 Dec 16, 2012
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
Great minds are thinking alike, especially on the last part. Reasonable people have been known to snap.
You are right that seasonable people can snap and that is why I am armed if a reasonable person decides to kill everyone at McDonalds. All I want is a chance to defend my life

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#19854 Dec 16, 2012
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hope you're feeling better and all good for the holidays!
Thank you Quincy. I so rarely get as much as a cold...am really
annoyed with myself! Everything has had to be put on the back burner apart from essential day to day living.

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#19855 Dec 16, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>Good morning El. I hope you are feeling better. A Gun show is like a town market. Dealers in arms rent a table and sell their wares. They obey the same gun laws that are in effect everywhere. Individuals who own a gun can sell their property to anyone. Here we have a tradition of hunting and owning guns. I recently sold several guns at a gun show and bought a new one.
Thanks Denny...am brighter today...:)
I can't quite get my head round any of this. An individual can come up to your table at a gun show and purchase a weapon. I take it he/she then has to have a licence to own that gun? It is hard to obtain a licence here, one would have to claim that a weapon is needed to shoot vermin....of course that curtails the calibre of the weapon. Ain't no bears here!

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#19856 Dec 16, 2012
It is a sad reflection on our respective societies, moreso in the USA it has to be said, when we owe it to those in our care to be in a position to defend them

Had the teacher, for instance, who courageously gave her life in protecting her pupiuls, been armed, could have been a different scenario altogether.

The question is, will gun ownership now increase, of decrease.?

“Grab all the good”

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#19857 Dec 16, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks Denny...am brighter today...:)
I can't quite get my head round any of this. An individual can come up to your table at a gun show and purchase a weapon. I take it he/she then has to have a licence to own that gun? It is hard to obtain a licence here, one would have to claim that a weapon is needed to shoot vermin....of course that curtails the calibre of the weapon. Ain't no bears here!
It used to be much the same here. The rich had no problem getting a license to carry a gun but the poor did not. We had a terrible mass shooting in Texas and the law took a big turn. The carry law was written so that the state MUST give a license to anyone who was not a felon and had not been mentally ill. Texas has always had exceptions for the legal carry of a gun. Crossing two counties allowed you to carry. Saddle bag laws. You don't need a license to own a long gun you need a background check if you buy a pistol from a dealer but not a license to have it in your home. You need a license to carry it concealed. The first law about carry was so complicated it was funny as different interest groups were made happy. Now it has come to you can carry just about everywhere. Not a court nor a school. I feel much safer knowing that there are several people around me in a store who have a legal weapon on them.

“Grab all the good”

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#19858 Dec 16, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
It is a sad reflection on our respective societies, moreso in the USA it has to be said, when we owe it to those in our care to be in a position to defend them
Had the teacher, for instance, who courageously gave her life in protecting her pupiuls, been armed, could have been a different scenario altogether.
The question is, will gun ownership now increase, of decrease.?
El in Israel teachers are armed to protect the children. I think having responsible people armed is a very good thing that benefits all of us. There are only so many cops

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#19859 Dec 16, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
It is a sad reflection on our respective societies, moreso in the USA it has to be said, when we owe it to those in our care to be in a position to defend them
Had the teacher, for instance, who courageously gave her life in protecting her pupiuls, been armed, could have been a different scenario altogether.
The question is, will gun ownership now increase, of decrease.?
Gun ownership is a great investment. The more they talk about gun bans the higher the prices go. 15 years ago I could buy a semi-auto AK for $80 now they are $600. I am not really interested in those type guns but I should not be able to tell other people they have no right to own them. They are not accurate enough for me. I like tack drivers. I used to buy lots of guns at gun shows. If they were super accurate I would keep them. If they were average I would sell them. A gun is just a tool and can be used for good or bad

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#19860 Dec 16, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>It used to be much the same here. The rich had no problem getting a license to carry a gun but the poor did not. We had a terrible mass shooting in Texas and the law took a big turn. The carry law was written so that the state MUST give a license to anyone who was not a felon and had not been mentally ill. Texas has always had exceptions for the legal carry of a gun. Crossing two counties allowed you to carry. Saddle bag laws. You don't need a license to own a long gun you need a background check if you buy a pistol from a dealer but not a license to have it in your home. You need a license to carry it concealed. The first law about carry was so complicated it was funny as different interest groups were made happy. Now it has come to you can carry just about everywhere. Not a court nor a school. I feel much safer knowing that there are several people around me in a store who have a legal weapon on them.
Why not a court or school, doesn't make sense that those places are eliminated from the public being able to carry a gun...they being
not a felon or mentally ill? It seems to imply that those who are allowed to carry, are not trusted as much as we would like to think.

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#19861 Dec 16, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>El in Israel teachers are armed to protect the children. I think having responsible people armed is a very good thing that benefits all of us. There are only so many cops
The difference being Denny, is that Israel is prone to attack from neighbouring countries.

“ain't she sweet?”

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#19862 Dec 16, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>Gun ownership is a great investment. The more they talk about gun bans the higher the prices go. 15 years ago I could buy a semi-auto AK for $80 now they are $600. I am not really interested in those type guns but I should not be able to tell other people they have no right to own them. They are not accurate enough for me. I like tack drivers. I used to buy lots of guns at gun shows. If they were super accurate I would keep them. If they were average I would sell them. A gun is just a tool and can be used for good or bad
Denny, if the mother of the young man who shot up the school was such avid gun enthusiast and responsible gun owner, she would not have had all those weapons and ammo in a house with a son who had developmental or mental health issues or a personality disorder. It was a powder keg waiting to blow.....and it did......and innocent children and teachers paid the price.

You can share all the facts and propaganda and rhetoric, and the NRA can pervert the spirit of the Second Amendment, but guns were made to kill and they cause more harm than good. I for one will never agree with you that us my right and choice. Sadly the gun lobbyists have all the money to sway the politicians.

There will never be true gun control in the US and tragedies like Connecticut and Columbine and Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois Univ here in Illinois so can walk around with a gun on your hip.

I'll take my chances in Englewood and downtown Chicago before I voluntarily set foot in Texas. Women's healthcare is all but extinct as is a women's right to have an abortion, but you can walk around armed to the teeth.

In my opinion something is drastically wrong with that picture.

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