El's Kitchen

“Hands across the sea”

Since: Jun 06

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#19516 Dec 4, 2012
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
I recall similar,
I remember 'safe houses' the Irish hiding their 'own'
from THE BLACK & TANS
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/black_an...
all a long time ago..
but leaving a bitter taste,
which probably is better off laid buried..
This old story still simmers to this very day!
always like 'threading upon thin ice.'
Even last night there was trouble in Belfast..>>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northe...
My own opinion about this is
they shoud STOP trying to stir up trouble
about a dern flag!
knowing from experience how volatile
and.. WHERE
things like that can lead..
kind of
'let sleeping dogs lie'
I think!
A slight difference Grace, with all due respect. I responded to
interest in what was a war involving the world, hence WW11, my own personal recollections, I was talking about hundreds of enemy aircraft droning overhead, bombing cities, it would have to be heard to be believed. Being brought up in darkness as no lights
had to be shown from windows after daylight hours.
I am not minimising any of the problems relating to Ireland, quite the opposite, but you yourself didn't live through those times, and that is what I was responding to.
It is gratifying to learn that the atrocities committed by the said
Black and Tans so repelled any decent minded Briton, that it helped bring about a more peaceful time.

"However, many of the atrocities popularly attributed to the Black and Tans may have been committed by the Auxiliary Division; and some were committed by Irish RIC men. For instance, Tomás Mac Curtain, the Mayor of Cork, was assassinated in March 1920 by local RIC men and the massacre of 13 civilians at Croke Park on Bloody Sunday was also carried out by the RIC although a small detachment of Auxiliaries were also present. However, most Republicans did not make a distinction, and "Black and Tans" was often used as a catch-all term for all police and army groups.
The actions of the Black and Tans alienated public opinion in both Ireland and Great Britain. Their violent tactics encouraged both sides to move towards a peaceful resolution. Edward Wood MP, better known as the future Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax, rejected force and urged the British government to make an offer to the Irish "conceived on the most generous lines".[6] Sir John Simon MP, another future Foreign Secretary, was also horrified at the tactics being used. Lionel Curtis, writing in the imperialist journal The Round Table, wrote: "If the British Commonwealth can only be preserved by such means, it would become a negation of the principle for which it has stood".[7] The King, senior Anglican bishops, MPs from the Liberal and Labour parties, Oswald Mosley, Jan Smuts, the Trades Union Congress and parts of the press were increasingly critical of the actions of the Black and Tans. Mahatma Gandhi said of the British peace offer: "It is not fear of losing more lives that has compelled a reluctant offer from England but it is the shame of any further imposition of agony upon a people that loves liberty above everything else".[8]"

“Hands across the sea”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#19517 Dec 4, 2012
Groucho aka falcon68 wrote:
<quoted text>Since being laid up with the knee, and all that, I've been able to watch more and more of the Beeb... Top Gear, Hammond's Crash course, Graham Norton... I've been watching "The Hour", and how the telly was strictly regulated back in the day. I also like the UK version of Law and Order... you get to see the UK court system in action, reminiscent of Rumpole of the Bailey, well, sort of. For older British shows, it's PBS in these parts, I always get a laugh out of Hyacinth of "Keeping up appearences"....I also catch Ab Fab every once in a while. I'll have to check on availability of "Are you being served?" on DVD, as I rarely see it anymore... and "Fawlty Towers"...
Glad to hear that you got the knee surgery done Falcon,
just the one knee? You will be glad in time you went for it.
I do love the Graham Norton show, he has the most interesting guests, it's a funny old world though, here am I watching American
shows and our home grown ones are popular over there.
I could watch Fawlty Towers series all over again, never fails to
amuse.

“Hands across the sea”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#19518 Dec 4, 2012
Enjoyed 'Skyfall' immensely, it was very well
done. Made a pleasant day out.
Reeling from the cost of popcorn and coke...
did without rather than pay the price they
charge, had a cup of tea and a fairy cake
when we came out of the cinema, risk of sounding mean.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#19519 Dec 4, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
Enjoyed 'Skyfall' immensely, it was very well
done. Made a pleasant day out.
Reeling from the cost of popcorn and coke...
did without rather than pay the price they
charge, had a cup of tea and a fairy cake
when we came out of the cinema, risk of sounding mean.
Economically wise option you did ... after the movie. Same in our cinemas for popcorn and coke, a big take of the wallet.

Glad you enjoyed the film and the day out, dear El!

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#19520 Dec 4, 2012
franko wrote:
<quoted text>use the blowing function on the vacuum cleaner?
Doh! That oughta work. Thanks for the tip, Franko.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#19521 Dec 4, 2012
Boomer7 wrote:
<quoted text>
A small vacuum or the stuff you clean your computer keyboard with.
Thanks Boom. It's going to be a tedious task and seems the vacuum is the tool for the job.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#19522 Dec 4, 2012
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't begin to imagine. I also can't fathom how someone can live though that or a soldier in a war zone and then go home to 'normal' whatever normal was.
I only recall being told of my two uncles, one in the Airforce the other in the Army. The pilot was treated like royalty while his brother the army soldier was emancipated and ragged. They actually happened to cross paths in India and did not even recognize one another.
Thank you for sharing.
Were your uncles in WWII?

If so, "the greatest generation" by and large did come back to "normal life". So many didn't talk about much of it, not until years later anyway.

For your aunts or whoever to tell you about your uncles, it may have been a result of years of hearing piece-by-piece what your uncles had to tell.

I remember my dad talking about WWII to his contemporaries in town in my whippersnapper presence ... to a point. Sure don't know how much more he told when I (and brother) wasn't around. He did belong to American Legion and VFW, but I can't really remember how regular he was in attending meetings or socializing, not many likely because we didn't live where the buildings were.

Later, and later... we had SOME talk about WWII but not a lot. There were still distance factors -- in miles and personal.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#19523 Dec 4, 2012
Groucho aka falcon68 wrote:
<quoted text>I love them both, actually... If you know both, then the XR and XT look pretty much like the US 1966-69 variety. One of these days I shall own an aussie XB... it's a Mad Max thing...
Ah! No, I am only slightly aware of Aussie racing Falcons not the production model distinctions of them.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#19524 Dec 4, 2012
Alrighty then, Kitchen-eers! Give Wednesday a good go, come what may.

“guess who Lois?”

Level 7

Since: Dec 06

A little hole in the wall.

#19525 Dec 4, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
Enjoyed 'Skyfall' immensely, it was very well
done. Made a pleasant day out.
Reeling from the cost of popcorn and coke...
did without rather than pay the price they
charge, had a cup of tea and a fairy cake
when we came out of the cinema, risk of sounding mean.
EL ... that was honest, not mean ... the fact is that the theatres do indeed rake us over the coals as far as price of food and drink .... how else will they pay those $20 million wages of the actors?

“guess who Lois?”

Level 7

Since: Dec 06

A little hole in the wall.

#19526 Dec 4, 2012
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
Doh! That oughta work. Thanks for the tip, Franko.
thought I'd save you the trouble of blowing with your breath ... you could pop an aneurism trying that on an entire tree.

“Hands across the sea”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#19527 Dec 5, 2012
Silly me...the Saint's name I mentioned earlier
is not Llandwyn...that's the name of the island,
she herself was called Dwynwen....so much easier
to pronounce! This is one of my favourite places to visit, worth a read if you are interested.

http://www.anglesey-history.co.uk/places/llan...

Happy Hump Day all patrons of the kitchen.

“Hands across the sea”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#19528 Dec 5, 2012
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
Economically wise option you did ... after the movie. Same in our cinemas for popcorn and coke, a big take of the wallet.
Glad you enjoyed the film and the day out, dear El!
Thanks Dear Luke. We had a mad chase along the A55 to get there
on time, and of course there is always something to slow one down,
one of the lanes was shut due to road works, fortunately
P is able to put his foot down, too much so, lol, got there with five minutes to spare. You can imagine my delight when the opening scenes of the movie were of a car chase! Got into it
after about 15 minutes and enjoyed it eventually.
Thinking back to when growing up, we had four cinemas within walking distance, my uncle took me to the cinema, or the pictures as we called it, every Friday night, stopping at the sweet shop
on the way. Happy times.
I take it you lived quite rural growing up?

“Hands across the sea”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#19529 Dec 5, 2012
franko wrote:
<quoted text>EL ... that was honest, not mean ... the fact is that the theatres do indeed rake us over the coals as far as price of food and drink .... how else will they pay those $20 million wages of the actors?
I know....seven pounds ninety five for a bag of popcorn and
a coke, not even keen on coke, it's daylight robbery!
I noticed the lady on one side of me had taken in her own,
she surrepticiously took a drink throughout the movie...not
that I was watching, lol. Actually, she and her partner
were most kind, they had the end seats and moved up the row
to make it easier for P and did so cheerfully. Nice people.

“Towards Christmas.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

‘

#19530 Dec 5, 2012
franko wrote:
<quoted text>thought I'd save you the trouble of blowing with your breath ... you could pop an aneurism trying that on an entire tree.
LOL

That's funny..

Imagine the Doc.

'And my good man how did you get
this aneurism?'

'I was blowing the dust off my Christmas tree' Ha ha!

why didn't you let the wind do that! ha!

“Towards Christmas.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

‘

#19531 Dec 5, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
A slight difference Grace, with all due respect. I responded to
interest in what was a war involving the world, hence WW11, my own personal recollections, I was talking about hundreds of enemy aircraft droning overhead, bombing cities, it would have to be heard to be believed. Being brought up in darkness as no lights
had to be shown from windows after daylight hours.
I am not minimising any of the problems relating to Ireland, quite the opposite, but you yourself didn't live through those times, and that is what I was responding to.
It is gratifying to learn that the atrocities committed by the said
Black and Tans so repelled any decent minded Briton, that it helped bring about a more peaceful time.
"However, many of the atrocities popularly attributed to the Black and Tans may have been committed by the Auxiliary Division; and some were committed by Irish RIC men. For instance, Tomás Mac Curtain, the Mayor of Cork, was assassinated in March 1920 by local RIC men and the massacre of 13 civilians at Croke Park on Bloody Sunday was also carried out by the RIC although a small detachment of Auxiliaries were also present. However, most Republicans did not make a distinction, and "Black and Tans" was often used as a catch-all term for all police and army groups.
The actions of the Black and Tans alienated public opinion in both Ireland and Great Britain. Their violent tactics encouraged both sides to move towards a peaceful resolution. Edward Wood MP, better known as the future Foreign Secretary Lord Halifax, rejected force and urged the British government to make an offer to the Irish "conceived on the most generous lines".[6] Sir John Simon MP, another future Foreign Secretary, was also horrified at the tactics being used. Lionel Curtis, writing in the imperialist journal The Round Table, wrote: "If the British Commonwealth can only be preserved by such means, it would become a negation of the principle for which it has stood".[7] The King, senior Anglican bishops, MPs from the Liberal and Labour parties, Oswald Mosley, Jan Smuts, the Trades Union Congress and parts of the press were increasingly critical of the actions of the Black and Tans. Mahatma Gandhi said of the British peace offer: "It is not fear of losing more lives that has compelled a reluctant offer from England but it is the shame of any further imposition of agony upon a people that loves liberty above everything else".[8]"
True El,
Point well taken.
and thanks for a very good post,
Must have been frightening having lived through that..

One thing I remember from those times..
was the rationing, I remember my late parents
having a matchbox full of sugar EACh,
and at meal time they would take the little
box out and carefull dropp a little in the tea,
well as a very small child I thought this was 'WONDERFUL:'!!!
and HOW I longed to have a matchbox full of sugar of my VERY OWN(:

The shining innocence of a child's mind!

***

A few other things.

CONGRATS on the great ROYAL news -
hope Kate will be ok,
I remember a light 'morning sickness'
in one pregnancy, and what a horrid feeling,
I recall how every scent in a supermarket
seemed heightened, a mix of baked bread, washing powder,
meat, polish etc.. all seemed to mingle and turn my stomach..

and I only had a mild type,
I really FEEL sorry for her having such
a serious version and hope it will be short lived.

**

I believe there's big snow in the UK..
cold enuf here too!

**

So glad you enjoyed SKYFALL<
it was pure escapism, wasn't it?

**

Well
today is budget day here,
and all the predictions are,
that we are going to be skint alive!!!

Happy day El & everyone here,
keep warm.

“Towards Christmas.”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

‘

#19532 Dec 5, 2012
El,
Referring back to your #19516

True,
Point well taken.
and thanks for a very good post, El.
Must have been frightening having lived through that..

One thing I remember from those times..
was the rationing, I remember my late parents
having a matchbox full of sugar EACh,
and at meal time they would take the little
box out and carefull dropp a little in the tea,
well as a very small child I thought this was 'WONDERFUL:'!!!
and HOW I longed to have a matchbox full of sugar of my VERY OWN(:

The shining innocence of a child's mind!

***

A few other things.

CONGRATS on the great ROYAL news -
hope Kate will be ok,
I remember a light form 'morning sickness'
in one pregnancy, and what a horrid feeling,
even that was;

I recall how my sense of smell

became heightened, and in a supermarket,
a mix of baked bread, washing powder,
meat, polish etc.. all seemed to mingle and
come at me together turning my stomach..
tho' it didn't last long.

and I only had a mild form,
I really FEEL sorry for her having such
a serious version and hope it will be short lived.

**

I believe there's big snow in the UK..
cold enuf here too!

**

So glad you enjoyed SKYFALL<
it was pure escapism, wasn't it?

**

Well
today is budget day here,
and all the predictions are,
that we are going to be skint alive!!(:

Happy day El & everyone here,
keep warm.

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#19533 Dec 5, 2012
is this TRUE:

Marouane Fellaini to Arsenal? Arsene Wenger says ‘Yes’
Groucho aka falcon68

Dearborn, MI

#19534 Dec 5, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
Glad to hear that you got the knee surgery done Falcon,
just the one knee? You will be glad in time you went for it.
I do love the Graham Norton show, he has the most interesting guests, it's a funny old world though, here am I watching American
shows and our home grown ones are popular over there.
I could watch Fawlty Towers series all over again, never fails to
amuse.
Yes, just the left knee... the right side holding up ok for now. I will admit to this, while I was off, i got caught up in a couple of daytime soaps... One life to live, and General Hospital.

“Hands across the sea”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#19535 Dec 5, 2012
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
True El,
Point well taken.
and thanks for a very good post,
Must have been frightening having lived through that..
One thing I remember from those times..
was the rationing, I remember my late parents
having a matchbox full of sugar EACh,
and at meal time they would take the little
box out and carefull dropp a little in the tea,
well as a very small child I thought this was 'WONDERFUL:'!!!
and HOW I longed to have a matchbox full of sugar of my VERY OWN(:
The shining innocence of a child's mind!
***
A few other things.
CONGRATS on the great ROYAL news -
hope Kate will be ok,
I remember a light 'morning sickness'
in one pregnancy, and what a horrid feeling,
I recall how every scent in a supermarket
seemed heightened, a mix of baked bread, washing powder,
meat, polish etc.. all seemed to mingle and turn my stomach..
and I only had a mild type,
I really FEEL sorry for her having such
a serious version and hope it will be short lived.
**
I believe there's big snow in the UK..
cold enuf here too!
**
So glad you enjoyed SKYFALL<
it was pure escapism, wasn't it?
**
Well
today is budget day here,
and all the predictions are,
that we are going to be skint alive!!!
Happy day El & everyone here,
keep warm.
Well Grace, going back briefly, in all fairness, no matter the scale, violence is violence, I would say almost impossible not
to draw attention to what happened in one's own country....it has been a bloody history all round. You mentioned Belfast, I saw that on Sky News the other morning, five police officers injured amongst others, and as you say, all over a flag. Amazing as to the symbolism of a mere flag. And there are always young ones waiting in the wings as it were, to challenge what they see as wrongful decisions, is it a good thing? Sometimes it is of course.
They of course, haven't been through the traumas of the older generation..it is all new to them. Let us just hope that the flag issue is resolved and quickly.

Rationing brought back a few memories, how on earth did people manage? Do you remember powdered eggs? I do not, but P does...
and a friend buys them to this day, from choice?....(: Ah well.

Nice to hear about the Royal baby...but...already some bright sparks are cashing in by selling mugs inscribed with 'Will and Kate..Royal Baby 2013'. One of the fellows discussing this on the news this morning said he has one inscribed 'Kate loves Willy'...hahaha

Have a lovely day Grace....just a sprinkling of snow today, nice.

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