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Nov 25, 2012
 
Grace Nerissa wrote:
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Returning to this post as promised, El.
How do children see Christmas today..
um!
I think it has become very commercialised.
[lol, stating the obvious, I know]
children see that and must wonder why their
parents are willing to go into debt in order
to give them so many material things at Christmas,
it simply wasn't like that in my time -
by coincidence we were discussing this on another
thread, and what i wrote in # 177 sums up exactly
what I mean!
DON'T get me wrong,
Im not trying to portray myself as this little luminous angel,
bet if all the toys that are available today, had been there back then,
and if I had had blinkered parents who were willing to
buy me ANYTHING, I demanded - pretty sure, I'd be as demanding and greedy a little
devil as most kids are today.
Fact is, times were VERY different back then, and because they were..
I escaped.
I think children today see Christmas as a
'gimme gimme' all the way
and they don't know when enough is enough,
because there seniors get caught up in the
subliminal message around Christmas>
which imprint on the mind
"Buy! buy! buy..
Give your kids everything they desire,
or they won't like it,
if they feel more underprivileged
than their peers"
This, of course,[in my view]
doesn't apply to ALL
children..
but it does .. to many.
An admirable answer, thanks again Grace.

It seems that it is our generation who have 'spoilt' kids
into wanting, and getting, their little hearts desires.
As prior to that, people were just not in a financial position
to lavish much on their children at all.
Certainly not in my experience anyway, not too long after the war
money, and what could be bought with it, was thin on the ground.
I hold my hands up, as being a 'one-parent' family, I was determined
that my son would not go without, in fact 'went over the top' in
ensuring he had what his little friends had, and more.
I recall, I even had his shirt hand made, lol.
I gave of myself also, when the other boys and their dads joined forces on the playing field, my 'skills' as a bowler in cricket when I was
Games Captain at shcool, came into being, and although I say it myself, I was better than the dads. lol
Happy days!

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Nov 25, 2012
 
shirtS...lol

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Nov 25, 2012
 
TONY....just heard about the floods in FOWEY...
Fowey Cornwall! I honestly thought you was
in a far flung place, waiting for you to come
back to the UK. Shows my geographical knowledge!
Just to say hope you are safe and have avoided
the severe flooding.

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Nov 25, 2012
 
Grace Nerissa wrote:
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Undoubtedly El..
I would have found a way 'any way''some way' to get that violin
As ,
I remember my eldest son,' had a few shillings' saved as from early teens he was always 'mad' into
Music from the word go -) he had it saved for this adored guitar
And found a little job to help pay off the rest in instalments
He asked me go guarantor
(I could have paid the balance) but figured it was better for him
To learn early, knowing he would appreciate more what he bought himself..
In time 'twas all paid up and he owned his guitar
And went on to have a very successful career in music.
Not inferring you 'spoilt' yours Grace....:)

You got it just right.

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eleanorigby wrote:
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A fine example based on your own (and your eldest's son's experience.
Thankyou Grace.
My point being, it isn't always sheer greed drives one to queue all night
to reap a bargain...
It is the only way sometimes that some folks can obtain a 'luxury' that they would not otherwise be able to afford.
A pleasant day to you too and to all who visit the kitchen.
Thanks El,
I think that's a wonderful .. intelligent
..
when you said
'obtaining a luxury they couldn't otherwise'

Wish I'd thought of that little gem and how true.

Last time, I posted fm 1Phone.
I put on the heating and ran back up to
hog the bed another while! lol
Very frosty here brrrr!

Must rush off now,
will be back to reply to other later

***

Paisley

ANY NEWS of a new baba!??????

hope all's going well.

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correction>

'a wonderful .. intelligent point'

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Paisley_Posey wrote:
<quoted text>Wow so you've seen it waaaay to much! I don't know how you did it, I could've NEVER done it! I can't handle the public without the incentive of large TIPS! lol
The holiday hours were killer. I did stock and merchandising not sales.

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Grace Nerissa wrote:
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True, True,
but LOL! RM,
No shopping at midnight for you..
I appreciate your opinion -
good that we're all different lol>
We have a state of-the-art huge mall very near
where I live, and in it, there's 24hour supermarket,
very often I go there, and midnight would be too early for me!
to visit lol
I oftentimes wander over there from midnight to 2: 30am..
with my security dog sitting beside me in the passenger
seat,
I,love to dawdle in there late, looking thru' CD's..
and books, picking up various grocery items, and having a look
see how many 'e's' and food additives they have,
later I might wander down the 'pet' isle and buy Ali a toy.
I love wandering around.. late, somehow I always did lol
Must ask El to do a touch of genealogy,
see if Dracula figures anywhere back along
my family chain: Ha ha!
"Ordinary day" shopping like that in 24-hour "super-stores" here during late, late evening or early, early morning hours is not that odd here. I've talked with folk on shift work, or change their sleep schedule as they can who take advantage of that time period for their convenience and with fewer other folks out and about, a more leisurely shopping experience.

I've done it a time or two meself but not in quite awhile. I live farther away from the closest one, there are more seemingly more thugs out at these hours now, and deer want to share the roadways with you in the dark of night.

And I'm not as adept in shuffling my sleep schedule that much either!!:)

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"Ordinary day" shopping like that in 24-hour "super-stores" here during late, late evening or early, early morning hours is not that odd here. I've talked with folk on shift work, or change their sleep schedule as they can who take advantage of that time period for their convenience and with fewer other folks out and about, a more leisurely shopping experience.
I've done it a time or two meself but not in quite awhile. I live farther away from the closest one, there are more seemingly more thugs out at these hours now, and deer want to share the roadways with you in the dark of night.
And I'm not as adept in shuffling my sleep schedule that much either!!:)
LOL

We have that in common>
'Shuffling of the sleep schedule'

LOL
Just struck me,
wouldn't that make a great movie title! LOL Ha ha!

Yes,
There's some lunacy re> rambling about late..
meantime, it IS very handy for folks on shift work, say..
who could grab a few groceries on the way home @ 6am..
and not have the worry of waking later in order to go
shopping..

I think life styles have changed SO much,
in later years -
I was reared in a small rural town,
where, many years ago
EVERYWHERE closed sharp at 8pm!!

and WHATEVER one needed, even in an emergency situation,
one would have to wait 'til the following morning
when stores reopened..

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eleanorigby wrote:
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I could miss them because I had a child to consider...
Let's see now, how can I explain without boring the socks off everybody.
Quite easy really. NYC was a lonely place to be for me and my little boy. Funnily enough, it wasn't, until we visited Macy's toy dept., and witnessed all the families there. So, special occasions we spent in NJ en famille.
I led a simple life in New York, having the responsibility of an 8yr old.
This touches me to a fine point, Cuz El !!!(I'm sure others writing/reading here relate to it also).

"I know from whence you came"

Coming from a simple life and observing the processes and rewards of *** responsibility *** intimately and around my community in my youth (while not entirely full of appreciation), the facets of parenting modeled to me largely made more sense as I matured.

While I've had me moments of irresponibility and stupidity, weighing whims of self-indulgence and unwise moments with the safety and long-term balance of well-being in mind and spirit for my daughters when they were in my care ... well, the choices were 'simple'.

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Did you receive the said gales and rain yet El?

I believe the UK was/ and IS being badly hit;

read you mentioned TONY, our friend here,

"Hey Tony!!! Hope you're not introuble...

Warm wishes and cyber kisses blowing your way!

Let's know you are 'hopefully' OK."

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Grace Nerissa wrote:
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LOL
We have that in common>
'Shuffling of the sleep schedule'
LOL
Just struck me,
wouldn't that make a great movie title! LOL Ha ha!
Yes,
There's some lunacy re> rambling about late..
meantime, it IS very handy for folks on shift work, say..
who could grab a few groceries on the way home @ 6am..
and not have the worry of waking later in order to go
shopping..
I think life styles have changed SO much,
in later years -
I was reared in a small rural town,
where, many years ago
EVERYWHERE closed sharp at 8pm!!
and WHATEVER one needed, even in an emergency situation,
one would have to wait 'til the following morning
when stores reopened..
We have the rural town experience in youth in common, Cuz Grace.
Oh yes, life and lifestyles have changed immensely, as they have done historically.

I should say to all ..... know this:

There are motivations for the Christmas "shopping frenzy" for the retailers deal gimmicks besides blatant greed. Folks can stretch their gift shopping budget by this when they think "the hassle is worth it". Younger folks on limited income have this in mind too, but they like the social experience and when they 'know' their parents are "stodgy and at home in bed" all the better !!

Seriously ... the news reports are naturally going to report the excesses, and all the experience is not going to go like that. And, there is very, oh so very, many folks who aren't experiencing that early "frenzy" experiences.

Lifestyles, attitudes (personal and generational), and 'we'... are so different.

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Grace Nerissa wrote:
Did you receive the said gales and rain yet El?
I believe the UK was/ and IS being badly hit;
read you mentioned TONY, our friend here,
"Hey Tony!!! Hope you're not introuble...
Warm wishes and cyber kisses blowing your way!
Let's know you are 'hopefully' OK."
Hear, Hear!

Hope all fare well in any foul weather!

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Christmas spirit to me
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"The Gift of the Magi"
by O. Henry

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eleanorigby wrote:
So....the company you worked for has laid off the work force...and it is approaching Christmas. Your nine year old daughter who, it just so happens is autistic, her passion is music...has set her heart on a little violin which is resting on a pink cushion in the window of the muscial instruments shop..and marked down...half price for one day only.
She sees this violin as she is passing the shop with her mom, and they hurry home with the cheap cuts of meat that mom has managed to 'aquire' from the friendly butcher.
She gently pulls at her mom's sleeve...'look Mommy, isn't that so wonderful'...Mommy smiles down at her little daughter then sighs vistfully, knowing it beyond their reach.
She does mention it to Daddy after dinner, who doesn't say a word...later she sees him shrugging his thin coat over his shoulders and leave the house.
Where has he gone? Has he gone to queue for the violin for the daughter they love so much.
What would YOU do given the circumstances?. LOL!
I think violin lessons would be cheaper. She gets to play a violin (unless she has to bring her own instrument) but hopefully, he could borrow from someone who trusts him to pay back in installments, see if there is a layaway plan,or find out from Harry Belefonte how those scarlet ribbons really did wind up on the bed in gay profusion???? Anyway, happeeeeee SInday, El, Grace, and kitchen helpers.

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We have the rural town experience in youth in common, Cuz Grace.
Oh yes, life and lifestyles have changed immensely, as they have done historically.
I should say to all ..... know this:
There are motivations for the Christmas "shopping frenzy" for the retailers deal gimmicks besides blatant greed. Folks can stretch their gift shopping budget by this when they think "the hassle is worth it". Younger folks on limited income have this in mind too, but they like the social experience and when they 'know' their parents are "stodgy and at home in bed" all the better !!
Seriously ... the news reports are naturally going to report the excesses, and all the experience is not going to go like that. And, there is very, oh so very, many folks who aren't experiencing that early "frenzy" experiences.
Lifestyles, attitudes (personal and generational), and 'we'... are so different.
So very true,
what you express here about CHRISTMAS, Cuz.

I often think people are *too easily* influenced!

Hence advertising and subliminal messages!

If it is drilled into folks
[which it IS]
via radio..TV.. Newspapers & magazines..

examples>

'Be popular - be sure to have X for Christmas'

'Keep up with your friends &
buy these new style Xmas lights -
you don't wanna be the odd one out'

'Christmas won't be the same unless
you buy this -
let all your guests see what a fine hostess you are'

Rubbish!

I'd add in

'NONSENSE Fek off and quit your brainwashing!'

if you want to spend Christmas in Mc Donald's
or eating an egg sandwich on a park bench .. Christmas Day.

DO just that & be happy in being ' yourself'! Ha ha!

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Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>Lol at your last line RM and
True!

'Prefer to sleep than shop' lol ha ha!

Spose the majority of sane folks would agree with you(:

Wishing you a pleasant Sunday.
....and to you. I'm a gal who loves a good sale......just not at 2am

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eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>A fine example based on your own (and your eldest's son's experience.
Thankyou Grace.

My point being, it isn't always sheer greed drives one to queue all night
to reap a bargain...

It is the only way sometimes that some folks can obtain a 'luxury' that they would not otherwise be able to afford.

A pleasant day to you too and to all who visit the kitchen.
I worked the Friday after Thanksgiving and one of the few ladies who also worked mentioned her hubby was out at 6am to a computer for $299.

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eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>I could miss them because I had a child to consider...

Let's see now, how can I explain without boring the socks off everybody.

Quite easy really. NYC was a lonely place to be for me and my little boy. Funnily enough, it wasn't, until we visited Macy's toy dept., and witnessed all the families there. So, special occasions we spent in NJ en famille.

I led a simple life in New York, having the responsibility of an 8yr old.
Ah. Was your son fond of parades? I certainly understand spending time with the family instead of alone. Did you visit FAO Scwartz? Now THAT must have been a toy store! Dreamland for an 8 yr old boy.

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<quoted text>I think violin lessons would be cheaper. She gets to play a violin (unless she has to bring her own instrument) but hopefully, he could borrow from someone who trusts him to pay back in installments, see if there is a layaway plan,or find out from Harry Belefonte how those scarlet ribbons really did wind up on the bed in gay profusion???? Anyway, happeeeeee SInday, El, Grace, and kitchen helpers.
Cool point on the lessons! You can easily rent an instrument. As the child gets better, you can purchase the rental straight out or upgrade.
My daughter received her drum set after three years of lessons. It was a used set her instructor found and purchased which gave us first dibs on it for the same price he paid.

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