“Denny Crain”

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#34721 May 13, 2014
tragic deaths no scandals wrote:
<quoted text>
Too bad the republican congress turned down numerous state dept requests for additional funding for security.
Although how does one secure a consular office from an RPG?
Too bad heavy weapons and Mortar fire was called a demonstration over a video for 2 weeks before the election. The woman in charge of State department funding testified under oath that funding had nothing to do with security request for the the consulate. That is a truth you don't like but what does truth matter to you

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#34722 May 13, 2014
you can not prevent any thing , only deter it .......

suicide bomber blows up no mater what you do

you think a gun in the house prevents a break in??

4 US presidents were assassinated even though they were protected......

doesn't mean a thing , we only hope that the fear will prevail

the fear of the aftermath

Since: Jun 06

Liverpool, UK

#34723 May 13, 2014
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>it was a miss quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Xwy-CPaXgOcXX
a reference to your post , just a silly response concerning sir T and myself
peas were easily replanted, if they germinate before the next deluge they will be fine
glad I asked...:) that was good to see again.

fingers crossed the peas make it through..:)

“Denny Crain”

Level 8

Since: Jan 11

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#34724 May 13, 2014
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
glad I asked...:) that was good to see again.
fingers crossed the peas make it through..:)
It was in the 50's this morning and a high in the low 60's :)

Since: Jun 06

Liverpool, UK

#34725 May 13, 2014
tallyho wrote:
LADY EL..........
Day five of the Rochester Lilac Festival begins Tuesday, and as warm as it promises to be it might be the prefect day to see what they've got in store.
For you vino lovers, Tuesday begins the festival's Wine and Chocolate pairing. It's back for a second time this year.
Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, visitors can taste more than 150 vintages from more than 30 winemakers.
For only $15, wine will be "perfectly paired" with gourmet food, cheeses and of course, chocolate.
Also on tab for Tuesday, performances from Spencerport High School Jazz band, MoChester a Live classic album: Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon and much more.
It sounds Perfect, just my sort of occasion. I should love to be there!
Will you be going yourself, perhaps with the Lady friend? Sounds
awfully nice where you live.

Since: Jun 06

Liverpool, UK

#34726 May 13, 2014
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
El,
You'll laugh at this, when I mentioned WALES in my last post,
Just after that I went into the kitchen,
put the radio on, as usual...and did a double take when I heard a male voice
Say 'Were you thinking of Wales,
At first, I thought the house was haunted, Ha ha! But no, it was just an ad on radio
for various holidays !
We must be in sync, as, ALSO ..tomorrow afternoon,
I'll also be at the vets! have an appointment made for Ali's annual
Injections plus kennel cough treatment(she hates that one)
The minute I take her there, she KNOWS and wants to bolt!
won't come out from behind me, but of course, they are so highly
trained they are lovely to her and always manage to coax her out!
Yes, we're both enjoying this weather, cool enough but lovely
To look at..
'Mr Jangles'-
lol
Nice story:)
LOL Grrace....I can just imagine!...:)

Well, Pob Luc tomorrow, I know how sensitive the larger dog can be
occasions like this, hope Ali goes on alright. Not nice for them.
I did reply much earlier but my post did not show btw.

Since: Jun 06

Liverpool, UK

#34727 May 13, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>It was in the 50's this morning and a high in the low 60's :)
Huge drop in the temps....at least the floods have abated.
Been gorgeous here this afternoon, but down to 2C overnight
or so we are told. I still have my Winter duvet on my bed.

My apologies about querying who wrote the verse. I see it was
written by a person of integrity....and very fitting.

“Denny Crain”

Level 8

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#34728 May 13, 2014
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
Huge drop in the temps....at least the floods have abated.
Been gorgeous here this afternoon, but down to 2C overnight
or so we are told. I still have my Winter duvet on my bed.
My apologies about querying who wrote the verse. I see it was
written by a person of integrity....and very fitting.
I tried to read it to my wife and it broke me up. How abount a nice cuppa? Sugar and milk please :)

Since: Jun 06

Liverpool, UK

#34729 May 13, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>I tried to read it to my wife and it broke me up. How abount a nice cuppa? Sugar and milk please :)
That's understandable Denny.

A nice cup of sweet tea coming up....

you'll feel better...:)

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#34730 May 13, 2014
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
"Afternoon Cuz Luke...
Mighty fine accent you have there, lol. I do so love accents, mine is neutral thanks to
my aunt who was a fanatic about my speaking 'correctly'...consequently I stuck out
like a sore thumb in my humble neighbourhood. Luckily I can 'switch' to any accent
the occasion demands...it's a form of empathy with the person with whom I am speaking.
Told you I was weird! lol
Does your daughter have very much longer to wait Luke? It doesn't seem yesterday
that Grace's grandaughter made her appearance, already she is three months old.
Tempest fugit.
Of all things.....'The Dust Bowl' is on PBS at this moment in time...talk about coincidences.
Have a great weekend..:)
Aunt -- a special word, with these American dialects:

some rhyme with taunt

some (like me) thyme with ant, or can't

some (like Appalachian relatives of generation or older) rhyme with ain't

The newest family member is due in mid-September.

You can't go wrong with a Ken Burns film. I hope you enjoyed it -- a disaster of weather and farming practices of the times in the plains states.

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#34731 May 13, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Dear Grace what does her going on TV accomplish other than showing she cares. You measure things in results not in showing you care. I feel very sad for these poor girls kidnapped by a group of Muslim terrorist. My feeling sad has no effect on the situation. The terrorist want to trade these girls for captured members of their terrorist group. We have no members of their group nor does Ireland. The only way to release those poor girls is massive military intervention. Does Ireland, England, or America want to go to war with this group of terrorist?
Take it away, Crain. You're in charge. What's your massive military intervention strategy?

The western world's countries support as it is now isn't to your liking, I take it. U.S. is assisting with non-combat specialists (why shouldn't we understand the high possibility of our CIA and/or covert Special Forces already being deployed) and reconnaisance materiel. Aren't there other western countries on board.

We don't have the lead here, nor should we without Nigeria turning it over to us, or to whoever Nigeria would accede for military and diplomatic assets.

Your rant about the First Mother is utterly pathetic. It's fitting and proper for her role articulated to rally hearts and minds behind the actions; and to involve hearts and minds in the world concerns and the Twitter-verse of world scope about this sorry situation.

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#34732 May 13, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Dear Grace what does her going on TV accomplish other than showing she cares. You measure things in results not in showing you care. I feel very sad for these poor girls kidnapped by a group of Muslim terrorist. My feeling sad has no effect on the situation. The terrorist want to trade these girls for captured members of their terrorist group. We have no members of their group nor does Ireland. The only way to release those poor girls is massive military intervention. Does Ireland, England, or America want to go to war with this group of terrorist?
And oh BTW --- "The only way to release those poor girls is massive military intervention."

Massive military intervention (and God help if it's not carefully and skillfully planned and executed) means blood of hundreds of girls on your hands.

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#34733 May 13, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
This brought tears
"A bump in the road" .... remember that calloused statement? Do you recall the President referring to the Benghazi incident as "a bump in the road?" The poem was written by a MARINE CORPS Officer (ANON).
*THE BATTLING BOYS OF BENGHAZI *
*We're the battling boys of Benghazi *
*No fame, no glory, no paparazzi.*
*Just a fiery death in a blazing hell *
*Defending our country we loved so well.*
*It wasn't our job, but we answered the call,*
*fought to the Consulate and scaled the wall.*
*We pulled twenty Countrymen from the jaws of fate *
*Led them to safety, and stood at the gate.*
*Just the two of us, and foes by the score,*
*But we stood fast to bar the door.*
*Three calls for reinforcement, but all were denied,*
*So we fought, and we fought, and we fought 'til we died.*
*We gave our all for our Uncle Sam,*
*But Barack Obama didn't give a damn.*
*Just two dead seals who carried the load *
*No thanks to us.........we were just "Bumps In The Road".*
This is very touching. You're shaken more than when 20 first graders and 6 six teachers were slain; where your concerns articulated then was out of the NRA playbook, particularly concerned about more gun laws.

BUT, I have real problems on two counts, stemming from an anonymous source.

Integrity my ass. Why is this anonymous?:

1. More than likely this is being passed around in right-wing email/newsletters as has been with MUCH quarter-baked "truths", and/or outright falsehoods in content and/or origins of these "truths".

2. IF it is an active military member, this officer has violated his duty and Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Such a hero in either 1 or 2.

Semper fi.

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#34734 May 14, 2014
DOC:...."you have PATHOGEN"

give it o me straight doc....

DOC: "ok you have STREPTASCOHALYTIC HYPOCHALOUS
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Munith, MI

#34735 May 14, 2014
tallyho wrote:
DOC:...."you have PATHOGEN"
give it o me straight doc....
DOC: "ok you have STREPTASCOHALYTIC HYPOCHALOUS
hearing voices again pops

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#34736 May 14, 2014
Good Wednesday Kitchen-eers.

Here in the New World, we can't lay hands on anything with history going back through Norman, then Saxon/Roman times and being fitted for defense in 20th century conflicts.

What you learn from today's Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pevensey_Castle

Pevensey Castle was reoccupied between 1940 and 1945, during the Second World War, when it was garrisoned by units from the Home Guard, the British and Canadian armies and the United States Army Air Corps. Machine-gun posts were built into the Roman and Norman walls to control the flat land around Pevensey and guard against the threat of a German invasion. They were left in place after the war and can still be seen today.

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#34737 May 14, 2014
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
This is very touching. You're shaken more than when 20 first graders and 6 six teachers were slain; where your concerns articulated then was out of the NRA playbook, particularly concerned about more gun laws.
BUT, I have real problems on two counts, stemming from an anonymous source.
Integrity my ass. Why is this anonymous?:
1. More than likely this is being passed around in right-wing email/newsletters as has been with MUCH quarter-baked "truths", and/or outright falsehoods in content and/or origins of these "truths".
2. IF it is an active military member, this officer has violated his duty and Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Such a hero in either 1 or 2.
Semper fi.
GOOD MORNING VIETNAM !!![movie, Robin Williams, good one]

Which can morph to The Fog of War [see: Robert McNamara]

So, I can be helpful in dispensing with some "war fog" pertaining to the issue at hand:

1. as expected;
National Gun Forum, Patriots Heart Network, Conspiracy Paranormal, and [my favorite] My Right Wing Dad ...(several more I'm sure)

http://www.google.com/search...

2. Source is no longer ANON
Now we know ...
erroneously attributed to William Bauer, a USMC Colonel (whomever that is; retired?) John E. Roberts claims authorship, and being former Navy Seal.
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2013/05/who-wrote...

Granite Grok "Dominating the Political Bandwidth of New Hampshire" -- dominating !!(so claimed). << That boast might be worth a snicker>>

Inform all patriots about the erstwhile poem authorship. It will be appreciated.

"Off we go into the wild blue yonder"

or;

"It's a long way to Tipperary"

“Truth + context + perspective”

Since: Nov 09

informs against BS

#34738 May 14, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Too bad heavy weapons and Mortar fire was called a demonstration over a video for 2 weeks before the election. The woman in charge of State department funding testified under oath that funding had nothing to do with security request for the the consulate. That is a truth you don't like but what does truth matter to you
more on Fog of War, which significantly pertains from Vietnam through Benghazi

.... "Why Stevens, who died of smoke inhalation in the first of two attacks that took place late Sept. 11 and early Sept. 12, 2012, would turn down the offers remains unclear. The deteriorating security situation in Benghazi had been the subject of a meeting that embassy officials held Aug. 15, where they concluded they could not defend the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi. The next day, the embassy drafted a cable outlining the dire circumstances and saying it would spell out what it needed in a separate cable.

“In light of the uncertain security environment, US Mission Benghazi will submit specific requests to US Embassy Tripoli for additional physical security upgrades and staffing needs by separate cover,” said the cable, which was first reported by Fox News.

Army Gen. Carter Ham, then the head of the U.S. Africa Command, did not wait for the separate cable, however. Instead, after reading the Aug. 16 cable, Ham phoned Stevens and asked if the embassy needed a special security team from the U.S. military. Stevens told Ham it did not, the officials said.

Weeks later, Stevens traveled to Germany for an already scheduled meeting with Ham at AFRICOM headquarters. During that meeting, Ham again offered additional military assets, and Stevens again said no, the two officials said.

“He didn’t say why. He just turned it down,” a defense official who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the subject told McClatchy."

14 May '13 -- http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/05/14/191235/...
also here ( and a whole lot of sources )
15 May '13 -- http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/late...

and 15 January '14 about the Senate Report here: http://www.navytimes.com/article/20140115/NEW...

The report also says the State Department should not rely on local security alone in countries where the host government cannot provide adequate protection.

The report notes that the State Department in 2012 continued to operate the Benghazi facility, despite U.S. intelligence reports showing the danger was growing.

The report faults the military for being unable to help when needed.“No U.S. military resources in position to intervene in short order in Benghazi to help defend” the U.S. facilities in Benghazi, it says.

Yet it points out that Stevens had rejected additional security. The Defense Department had provided a Site Security Team in Tripoli, made up of 16 special operations personnel to provide security and other help. The report says the State Department decided not to extend the team’s mission in August 2012, one month before the attack.

In the weeks that followed, Gen. Carter Ham, the head of Africa Command, twice asked Stevens to employ the team, and twice Stevens declined, the report said.

and on the way: WMD, Liberation (flowers in rifle barrels), Shock and Awe, and **** MISSION ACCOMPLISHED ****

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#34740 May 14, 2014
I believe the term ........"Fog of war"

is depicting the difficulty of making decisions in the midst of conflict......

not to be confuse with a film same name

Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara is a 2003 American documentary film about the life and times of former U.S. Secretary of Defense

I do believe

“Denny Crain”

Level 8

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#34741 May 14, 2014
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
more on Fog of War, which significantly pertains from Vietnam through Benghazi
.... "Why Stevens, who died of smoke inhalation in the first of two attacks that took place late Sept. 11 and early Sept. 12, 2012, would turn down the offers remains unclear. The deteriorating security situation in Benghazi had been the subject of a meeting that embassy officials held Aug. 15, where they concluded they could not defend the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi. The next day, the embassy drafted a cable outlining the dire circumstances and saying it would spell out what it needed in a separate cable.
“In light of the uncertain security environment, US Mission Benghazi will submit specific requests to US Embassy Tripoli for additional physical security upgrades and staffing needs by separate cover,” said the cable, which was first reported by Fox News.
Army Gen. Carter Ham, then the head of the U.S. Africa Command, did not wait for the separate cable, however. Instead, after reading the Aug. 16 cable, Ham phoned Stevens and asked if the embassy needed a special security team from the U.S. military. Stevens told Ham it did not, the officials said.
Weeks later, Stevens traveled to Germany for an already scheduled meeting with Ham at AFRICOM headquarters. During that meeting, Ham again offered additional military assets, and Stevens again said no, the two officials said.
“He didn’t say why. He just turned it down,” a defense official who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the subject told McClatchy."
14 May '13 -- http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/05/14/191235/...
also here ( and a whole lot of sources )
15 May '13 -- http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/late...
and 15 January '14 about the Senate Report here: http://www.navytimes.com/article/20140115/NEW...
The report also says the State Department should not rely on local security alone in countries where the host government cannot provide adequate protection.
The report notes that the State Department in 2012 continued to operate the Benghazi facility, despite U.S. intelligence reports showing the danger was growing.
The report faults the military for being unable to help when needed.“No U.S. military resources in position to intervene in short order in Benghazi to help defend” the U.S. facilities in Benghazi, it says.
Yet it points out that Stevens had rejected additional security. The Defense Department had provided a Site Security Team in Tripoli, made up of 16 special operations personnel to provide security and other help. The report says the State Department decided not to extend the team’s mission in August 2012, one month before the attack.
In the weeks that followed, Gen. Carter Ham, the head of Africa Command, twice asked Stevens to employ the team, and twice Stevens declined, the report said.
and on the way: WMD, Liberation (flowers in rifle barrels), Shock and Awe, and **** MISSION ACCOMPLISHED ****
We know Stevens had requested more security from the State Department. They did not want to show a US Force in Bengazi. The line was terrorist were on the run after the death of Ben Ladin. Having a military present went against the campaign line. All good questions that need to be answered. Why were the CIA officers told to stand down. They disobeyed their orders and went t the sound of the guns

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