El's Kitchen
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Ludington, MI

#28305 Jul 24, 2013
I have two papers to wright and two big projects on the other side of the state coming up soon so I gotta take a break for a few days, you guys have fun



I think I will be PLANKTON when I return

ta ta

“Ignore the trolls”

Level 6

Since: Oct 08

Bath, UK

#28306 Jul 24, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Both Hitler and Mussolini were socialist from the left. Mussolini put out several Socialist papers.
Sorry Denny, not so. Mussolini did indeed begin life as a socialist, but he very quickly deserted the cause with the outbreak of World War I. Fascism is right wing and the term comes from the name Fasci (Italiani) di Combattimento - Mussolini's party. As for Hitler, dealt with that one already - his main aim was to break the power of the junker aristocracy in Germany, in which objective he was successful. That was as far as his class struggle went.

Do not mistake the extent of state control in either country as having anything to do with socialism - it doesn't. In socialism, the idea is that the workers control the factors of production - in fascism, that control remains very firmly in the hands of the state.

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#28307 Jul 24, 2013
Good Afternoon Folks,

TONY...indebted for your posts...it's a bit
beyond me, but interesting nevertheless.

KRYPTEIA will be buzzing! Just announced
the Royal baby's names...GEORGE ALEXANDER LOUIS.

Did I say Alexander or did I not?!...:)

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#28308 Jul 24, 2013
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>my British short hair is the best mouser I have ever seen, won't eat or play with them, just kills and takes a nap
Now this is something I can understand!...:)

I had British Blue and they are so laid back. Our
eldest cat, Dai Bach (coming up 17) is a British Silver
Tabby Shorthair...I can't remember him ever even
attempting to catch any prey. Very loyal breed.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28309 Jul 24, 2013
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
I have two papers to wright and two big projects on the other side of the state coming up soon so I gotta take a break for a few days, you guys have fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =AtJGOqAq2m8XX
I think I will be PLANKTON when I return
ta ta
That's better than being DIATOM, I guess -- or ALGAE. The college lab I spent some time in had a posted hand-made sign by a previous "lab rat":

Life is too short to be studying diatoms.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28310 Jul 24, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
Good Afternoon Folks,
TONY...indebted for your posts...it's a bit
beyond me, but interesting nevertheless.
KRYPTEIA will be buzzing! Just announced
the Royal baby's names...GEORGE ALEXANDER LOUIS.
Did I say Alexander or did I not?!...:)
Good day to you Cuz El. And good call, then!

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#28311 Jul 24, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
Good day to you Cuz El. And good call, then!
'Afternoon Cuz Luke...rare we are here together, how are
you this day? All is well here, weather a bit iffy tho'
apparently a thunderstorm is on it's way.
Off now, glad I caught you and have an enjoyable evening.

p.s. I'm stunned I actually guessed at one of the
baby's names...and Krypt has said George all along.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28312 Jul 24, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Both Hitler and Mussolini were socialist from the left. Mussolini put out several Socialist papers.
The missing post #28241 was my answer to this polemic. I'm not sure if topix didn't like the wikipedia source links, or why else it is gone. Facts do not bear out that contention that Nazis were socialists that American right-wingers put out there.

The German Socialist Democratic Party is the center-left and left political power; roots go back prior to WW I.[Wikipedia]

The Wikipedia linked in a previous post stated that
[the myth/legend discussed] was a central image in propaganda produced by the many right-wing and traditionally conservative political parties that sprang up in the early days of the Weimar Republic, including Hitler's NSDAP [the Nazi Party]

For Wiki's National Socialist German Workers Party article

Prominent Conservative Revolutionary member Oswald Spengler's conception of a "Prussian Socialism" influenced the Nazis. The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism. Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in 1930s the party's focus shifted to antisemitic and anti-Marxist themes.

article further explains:

It was in this [February 1920] speech that Hitler, for the first time, enunciated the twenty-five points of the German Worker's Party's manifesto that had been drawn up by Drexler, Feder, and Hitler. Through these points he gave the organisation a much bolder stratagem with a clear foreign policy (abrogation of Versailles, a Greater Germany, Eastern expansion, exclusion of Jews from citizenship), and among his specific points were: confiscation of war profits, abolition of unearned incomes, the State to share profits of land, and land for national needs to be taken away without compensation. In general, the manifesto was antisemitic, anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, and anti-liberal.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28313 Jul 24, 2013
LuAnn D wrote:
happy hump day everyone :)
Good "Happy as a camel on Hump-day" to you, LuAnn. Hope all is well with you.:)

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28314 Jul 24, 2013
PFfff wrote:
<quoted text>
well this documentary certainly was not entertaining and did make me think. but about things I don't want to..
we watched the 2nd series last night, told hubby he'd have to watch the rest by himself, too depressing..
:(
on a better and happier note, the twins are 3 yrs old today! now that's something I like thinking about, although that also is kinda depressing - because times going by much much to quickly....
Awwww... I relate, as my grand-kids are just zooming along in life too!{{{PFfff}}}

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28315 Jul 24, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, pressed reply button too fast!
Lady Jane Grey was never technically Queen - it is one thing to be declared monarch, another to manage to reign - she never managed the second (although she was much more sinned against than sinning, by manipulating men). Matilda had an uncomfortable reign - the civil war between her and Stephen was the reason so many in Tudor times feared having a Queen.
You rightly identify Queen's Mary (II) and Queen Anne. In both cases, they had foreign husbasnds (Dutch and Danish), so the line of succession was through the female - the husband was technically the consort in this case (as with Prince Albert and Prince Philip).
Thanks for the input, Tony; including your correction in the other post about the Regency by the Prince of Wales during King George 3's madness.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28316 Jul 24, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
'Afternoon Cuz Luke...rare we are here together, how are
you this day? All is well here, weather a bit iffy tho'
apparently a thunderstorm is on it's way.
Off now, glad I caught you and have an enjoyable evening.
p.s. I'm stunned I actually guessed at one of the
baby's names...and Krypt has said George all along.
Aye, and you have a kicked back/feet up/watching evening telly.

“Smokin' Hot'n'Feelin' Groovy”

Level 9

Since: Apr 12

Here, There, and Everywhere,..

#28318 Jul 24, 2013
Hey Rosa,...What's Up,...Any Fake Dead People There on The Funeral Parlor Showroom Floor,...?
SLACK

United States

#28320 Jul 24, 2013
Rosa wrote:
<quoted text>...hey crazy...have you any play relatives on topix too?...freakin hilarious...how old are these folks?...LOLOLOL...you been given any titles yet?...LOLOL...
sup LIM

65007noogard

“Geaux Tigers!”

Level 9

Since: Jun 12

Down on the bayou

#28321 Jul 24, 2013
Rosa wrote:
<quoted text>...hey crazy...have you any play relatives on topix too?...freakin hilarious...how old are these folks?...LOLOLOL...you been given any titles yet?...LOLOL...
'Sup SLACK?

“Smokin' Hot'n'Feelin' Groovy”

Level 9

Since: Apr 12

Here, There, and Everywhere,..

#28323 Jul 24, 2013
Rosa wrote:
<quoted text>...hey crazy...have you any play relatives on topix too?...freakin hilarious...how old are these folks?...LOLOLOL...you been given any titles yet?...LOLOL...
Hey Rosa Babe You Devilish Keeper of The Lonely Souls Looking For A Place Where They Can Troll,...or Mourn For Eternity,...

65007noogard

“Geaux Tigers!”

Level 9

Since: Jun 12

Down on the bayou

#28327 Jul 24, 2013
Rosa wrote:
<quoted text>...how in the hell did you figure that one out?...LOLOL...did your topix cuzzins tell you?...
Posting as Rosa while being logged in as Slack was the first clue, cuzzz.
Krypteia

Barnsley, UK

#28329 Jul 24, 2013
Yep well pleased El,superb name,being completely biased of course.lol

“Denny Crain”

Level 8

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#28330 Jul 24, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
The missing post #28241 was my answer to this polemic. I'm not sure if topix didn't like the wikipedia source links, or why else it is gone. Facts do not bear out that contention that Nazis were socialists that American right-wingers put out there.
The German Socialist Democratic Party is the center-left and left political power; roots go back prior to WW I.[Wikipedia]
The Wikipedia linked in a previous post stated that
[the myth/legend discussed] was a central image in propaganda produced by the many right-wing and traditionally conservative political parties that sprang up in the early days of the Weimar Republic, including Hitler's NSDAP [the Nazi Party]
For Wiki's National Socialist German Workers Party article
Prominent Conservative Revolutionary member Oswald Spengler's conception of a "Prussian Socialism" influenced the Nazis. The party was created as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism. Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in 1930s the party's focus shifted to antisemitic and anti-Marxist themes.
article further explains:
It was in this [February 1920] speech that Hitler, for the first time, enunciated the twenty-five points of the German Worker's Party's manifesto that had been drawn up by Drexler, Feder, and Hitler. Through these points he gave the organisation a much bolder stratagem with a clear foreign policy (abrogation of Versailles, a Greater Germany, Eastern expansion, exclusion of Jews from citizenship), and among his specific points were: confiscation of war profits, abolition of unearned incomes, the State to share profits of land, and land for national needs to be taken away without compensation. In general, the manifesto was antisemitic, anti-capitalist, anti-democratic, anti-Marxist, and anti-liberal.
The manifesto was a left wing document. What does the right want? Smaller government and lower taxes. Does that sound like what Hitler wanted. They called their self Socialist and they were Socialist! Anti Capitalism is a thing of the left as is redistribution of wealth.

“Denny Crain”

Level 8

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#28331 Jul 24, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Denny, not so. Mussolini did indeed begin life as a socialist, but he very quickly deserted the cause with the outbreak of World War I. Fascism is right wing and the term comes from the name Fasci (Italiani) di Combattimento - Mussolini's party. As for Hitler, dealt with that one already - his main aim was to break the power of the junker aristocracy in Germany, in which objective he was successful. That was as far as his class struggle went.
Do not mistake the extent of state control in either country as having anything to do with socialism - it doesn't. In socialism, the idea is that the workers control the factors of production - in fascism, that control remains very firmly in the hands of the state.
What does the right wing want Tony? They want a smaller less controlling government and lower taxes. They do not want redistribution of wealth through social programs. Germany was Socialist long before Hitler came to power. As for Fascist the name comes from a bundle of many gives more strength than one. Right wing is about the individual and left wing is about the group. The Nazi were socialist and called their self socialist.

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