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Since: Nov 09

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#28244 Jul 23, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
Good Morning All,
Has been a great weekend for British sports....
England trashed Australia in the cricket
Chris Froome won the Tour de France...
Manchester United beat Sydney Australia 5-1
the golf....Lee Westwood was pipped at the pot
by Phil Mickeson in the golf...congrats to the USA
and on a non-sporting matter
The Duchess of Cambridge has been admitted to hospital in the eary stages of labour.
Wishing all here a pleasant day...it's overcast
this morning and very very warm.
Certainly a good run for you Brits!

Mickelson had won the Scottish Open at Inverness a weekend earlier which I think was crucial to his remarkable Gullane showing on links-style courses. He had a "heartbreak" at the U.S. Open last month, and he and his family got away from it all for at least a week enjoying themselves in the state of Montana (I think).
A TROLL NAMED SLACK

Ludington, MI

#28245 Jul 23, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>The Nazi were not right wing. They were Socialist which is of the lfet
please, please please turn off fox news and pick up a book, any book, Mein Kampf if you wish anything just please turn off fox news

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28246 Jul 23, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
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.Morning Quincy...jut a slight correction here, the Queen's mother was actually the Queen Consort to King George V1...
we have had three English Queens, Queen Elizabeth 1;Queen Victoria
and the present Queen, Eliabeth 11.
I understand that the country has been more powerful trough each of their reigns as opposed to any of the male Monarchs.
Also consider that some Queen Consorts were Regents to run affairs (with advice from counsels, too), often quite effectively, while the King of the time was out warring or ill, or in case of George 3, incapacitated by madness.

Wouldn't you include Queen Anne, Queen Mary the dual monarchy of William and Mary, Queen Mary the half-sister of Queen Elizabeth I; and maybe the disputed Queen Jane of 9-day's reign, and Mathilda of yore?

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28247 Jul 23, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
Brilliant!,love the Kings Troop at Green Park they always look the dogs bollocks if you would excuse the pun El..lol
Even Tower Bridge was impressive...plus the bells ringing at Westminster I thank god and glad we aren't a republic..
you lot [El, Krypt, Tony] MUST be quite proud! Good show, jolly good show ...

Long live the King!

65007noogard

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#28248 Jul 23, 2013
A TROLL NAMED SLACK wrote:
<quoted text>please, please please turn off fox news and pick up a book, any book, Mein Kampf if you wish anything just please turn off fox news
I tried watching MSNBC the other morning. Only thing on was one of it's idiotic hosts wearing tampon earrings. What a class act.

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28249 Jul 23, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
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Cuz Eleanor, I'm "tickled pink" and "pleased as punch" that it deed.
What a day for the U.K, eh?! Baby Boy Windsor born! Huzzah! How many given names preceding his surname do yo think he will have ... 4 or 5?:)
Pride of the realm!
"that it deed." err .... did!
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Ludington, MI

#28250 Jul 23, 2013
65007noogard wrote:
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I tried watching MSNBC the other morning. Only thing on was one of it's idiotic hosts wearing tampon earrings. What a class act.
try BBC world news for starters, after ya get over the shock of reality look into the Guardian

news out of Belgium in trustworthy as well

now these people have accents you are not use to hearing so try not to let that fog your comprehension
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Ludington, MI

#28251 Jul 23, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>The Nazi were not right wing. They were Socialist which is of the lfet
you really are simple

https://www.google.com/#q=were+nazis+communis...
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Ludington, MI

#28252 Jul 23, 2013

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

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#28253 Jul 23, 2013
A TROLL NAMED SLACK wrote:
<quoted text>I'm tellin ya its all due to ambassadors backroom dealings
lots of money to be made from war and lots of debt for the little people to deal with
I've been following your points and rebuttals regarding colonization, wars, deals, treaties, etc. Knowing you, I am NOT one to dismiss your points "out of hand". You might approach the historical topics from a perspective as Howard Zinn would, but I'm also certain you're too smart to interject fictional alternate history genre (Harry Turtledove for instance).

This past weekend I saw Globetrekker (PBS). It was their "spice show", and included historical facts. For a good long, long while in human civilization, spice was money and power. From the old Silk Road linking China to the middle East and then parts of Europe led to colonization and exploitation by world powers of the time, and wars among them; more prevalent in the western world -- the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, England vying for supremacy over time. The whole of the Western Hemisphere was a vital cog in that as is well known.

Moreover, WW I resulted in the end to the Ottoman Empire with the victors dividing that vast region into 'protectorates' for wealth and power of oil reserves.

What I left out and the rest ... as they say, is history!

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28254 Jul 23, 2013
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>try BBC world news for starters, after ya get over the shock of reality look into the Guardian
news out of Belgium in trustworthy as well
now these people have accents you are not use to hearing so try not to let that fog your comprehension
Occasionally I catch one or the other: DW-TV "The European Journal" out of Belgium and the DW-TV "The Journal" out of Berlin(?)

And BBC World News Service for the U.S. when I can.
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Ludington, MI

#28255 Jul 23, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
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I've been following your points and rebuttals regarding colonization, wars, deals, treaties, etc. Knowing you, I am NOT one to dismiss your points "out of hand". You might approach the historical topics from a perspective as Howard Zinn would, but I'm also certain you're too smart to interject fictional alternate history genre (Harry Turtledove for instance).
This past weekend I saw Globetrekker (PBS). It was their "spice show", and included historical facts. For a good long, long while in human civilization, spice was money and power. From the old Silk Road linking China to the middle East and then parts of Europe led to colonization and exploitation by world powers of the time, and wars among them; more prevalent in the western world -- the Roman Empire, the Ottoman Empire, France, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, England vying for supremacy over time. The whole of the Western Hemisphere was a vital cog in that as is well known.
Moreover, WW I resulted in the end to the Ottoman Empire with the victors dividing that vast region into 'protectorates' for wealth and power of oil reserves.
What I left out and the rest ... as they say, is history!
ya know I was jerkin tallys chain, what I have said I have heard more than a few times by people more well read than I, duh!!

history takes on many points of view depending on ones prospective

military expansion is unmaintainable
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Ludington, MI

#28256 Jul 23, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
Occasionally I catch one or the other: DW-TV "The European Journal" out of Belgium and the DW-TV "The Journal" out of Berlin(?)
And BBC World News Service for the U.S. when I can.
it shows

“Happiness is a warm gun”

Since: Nov 09

Hey Bungalow Bill, waddya kill

#28257 Jul 23, 2013
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI wrote:
<quoted text>it shows
Thank you!

sup
LOST IN MISSISSIPPI

Ludington, MI

#28258 Jul 23, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you!
sup
the rent

again

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#28259 Jul 23, 2013
franko wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know that history all that well, but the link he provided seemed to indicate that Germany was not the instigator in WW1. They were one of the last to get involved in the fray.
The article was interesting in that it summarized events over a period of 30 to 50 years that steadily led up to the intense atmosphere that resulted in WW1.
However, it was the Kaiser who was pushing for war in June/July 1914 after the assassination. Germany was well-aware of the weakness of Austria-Hungary (her only reliable ally) in relation to the nationalities (particularly Bosnians) within her borders. Saw the assassination of Franz Ferdinand as an excuse for A-H to settle with Serbia once and for all. By 5 July, German war plans drawn up, then Bethmann Hollweg (the Chancellor) and the Kaiser went on their usual summer holidays to hide these preparations. The last to get involved was the UK, declaring war on Germany and A-H on 4 August 1914 as a result of the Germans marching through neutral Belgium, whose independence we had guaranteed with the 1839 treaty.

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#28260 Jul 23, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>The Nazi were not right wing. They were Socialist which is of the lfet
The full German for the Nazi Party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP). Although this translates to the National Socialist German Workers' Party, do not be fooled into thinking they were in any way socialist. Hitler arch political enemies were both the KPD and the SPD (the communists and the socialists) against whom he acted in a series of moves culminating in the Enabling Act of July 1934. Dachau was originally opened in 1936 to house political prisoners of these parties. The Nazis were anything but left-wing (although a horseshoe shaped line is a better depiction rather than the blunt instrument of the left/right line as first articulated during the French Revolution).

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#28261 Jul 23, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
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Also consider that some Queen Consorts were Regents to run affairs (with advice from counsels, too), often quite effectively, while the King of the time was out warring or ill, or in case of George 3, incapacitated by madness.
Wouldn't you include Queen Anne, Queen Mary the dual monarchy of William and Mary, Queen Mary the half-sister of Queen Elizabeth I; and maybe the disputed Queen Jane of 9-day's reign, and Mathilda of yore?
No, in the case of George III, it was his son, Prince George who acted as Regent during his father second spell of madness.

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#28262 Jul 23, 2013
Deer Whisperer wrote:
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Also consider that some Queen Consorts were Regents to run affairs (with advice from counsels, too), often quite effectively, while the King of the time was out warring or ill, or in case of George 3, incapacitated by madness.
Wouldn't you include Queen Anne, Queen Mary the dual monarchy of William and Mary, Queen Mary the half-sister of Queen Elizabeth I; and maybe the disputed Queen Jane of 9-day's reign, and Mathilda of yore?
Sorry, pressed reply button too fast!

Lady Jane Grey was never technically Queen - it is one thing to be declared monarch, another to manage to reign - she never managed the second (although she was much more sinned against than sinning, by manipulating men). Matilda had an uncomfortable reign - the civil war between her and Stephen was the reason so many in Tudor times feared having a Queen.

You rightly identify Queen's Mary (II) and Queen Anne. In both cases, they had foreign husbasnds (Dutch and Danish), so the line of succession was through the female - the husband was technically the consort in this case (as with Prince Albert and Prince Philip).

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#28263 Jul 23, 2013
tallyho wrote:
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World War I ( WWI) was a global war centred in Europe that began on 28 July 1914 and lasted until 11 November 1918.... Germany declared war on Russia on the same day...
Little simplistic Tally - you are right that the first antagonists declared war on 28 July, but that was only Austria-Hungary declaring war on Serbia (exactly a calendar month after the assassination). Germaqny declared war on Russia on 1 August 1914 and on France on 3 August (they had to be the aggressor to meet the requirements of their war plan, the Schlieffen Plan, designed to cope with war on two fronts). Finally, with the invasion of Belgium, GB declared war on 4 August.

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