El's Kitchen

“Ignore the trolls”

Level 6

Since: Oct 08

Bath, UK

#24391 Mar 23, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
I spoke too soon about us being lucky here in North Wales with
the weather....just glad I personally don't have to go anywhere
but sympathy for those who do.
You look after yourself...is the trip down the Thames still on
this weekend?
Hi ER - no, they cancelled the regatta in the light of the forecast weather, so it's odd jobs around the house day. At least it's not raining here - apparently Kent has snow - mate of mine from there rang this morning.

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#24392 Mar 23, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
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HMS Syrius - frigate that was sunk in 1805. Landsmen were the third level of crew - first was Able Bodied, second was Ordinary Seamen and they were third. Sometimes called "waisters (sic)" because most of their duties were in the waist (middle of the ship), they had little knowledge of how to sail the vessel and worked the guns or acted as boarding party members on an assault on another vessel. Try to check if he was a Quotaman (his dates fit)- can tell you lots about them as part of my dissertation (my MA is in Naval History). Best source to follow up on him is Kew (Public Records Office), which also has an online facility - type PRO in a search engine.
We think life was rough for them - actually they generally had a better diet than agricultural labourers of the time.
He was my Gtx4 Grandfather in fact, and he was a Quotaman. I
found him some years ago and quite a lot of information on him,
it was only yesterday I established the link to myself. It was funny how it happened actually, as I was searching Forces Records
for some info on P's father, a Marine in WW11...digressed and lo and behold, found my own. They say our ancestors will be found 'when THEY are ready'!
He was a weaver and joined for the bounty. I recall learning that
he didn't collect after he was discharged.

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#24393 Mar 23, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi ER - no, they cancelled the regatta in the light of the forecast weather, so it's odd jobs around the house day. At least it's not raining here - apparently Kent has snow - mate of mine from there rang this morning.
Hi Tony...was just posting to you. Sorry to hear that, but perhaps it's just as well, it's bitterly cold out there. We
had snow and gales from yesterday, I'm not budging out there today
I can tell you!
I have been reading up on the Napoleonic War....and of the British
soldiers who were sent to quell the colonists in the USA....
gruesome reading!

“Denny Crain”

Level 8

Since: Jan 11

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#24394 Mar 23, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Tony...was just posting to you. Sorry to hear that, but perhaps it's just as well, it's bitterly cold out there. We
had snow and gales from yesterday, I'm not budging out there today
I can tell you!
I have been reading up on the Napoleonic War....and of the British
soldiers who were sent to quell the colonists in the USA....
gruesome reading!
Good morning El. I got lucky yesterday and went to two builders lunches. At one I won $100 and $200 at the other

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

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#24395 Mar 23, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi ER - no, they cancelled the regatta in the light of the forecast weather, so it's odd jobs around the house day. At least it's not raining here - apparently Kent has snow - mate of mine from there rang this morning.
Tony...to clarify..I was referring to the punishments the British
soldiers endured on board ship....quite shocking reading.

1111

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Since: Jun 06

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#24396 Mar 23, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Good morning El. I got lucky yesterday and went to two builders lunches. At one I won $100 and $200 at the other
Can you give me six numbers for the Lottery please...:)

Good Morning Denny.

“ain't she sweet?”

Level 7

Since: Nov 10

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#24397 Mar 23, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Good morning El. I got lucky yesterday and went to two builders lunches. At one I won $100 and $200 at the other
You're gonna pay income taxes on that 300 bucks, aren't ya Denny?
:)

“Towards Spring”

Level 8

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#24398 Mar 23, 2013
TONY:

Glad you are having your throat seen to,
with any of us,
we all seem to home in on the more serious
outcome or
possibility! I think it's just how we're made

!

but there are many things in between it could
be, which aren't serious.

All the very best to you

***

Denny,
you're on a winning streak!

***

Vee,
Good news re your sister..

***

El,
Hope you are all back 100% after the fall.

Did you see the dog video Isent you
[#24302] in case you missed it..
I loved yours.

We had dreadful flooding here yesterday,
rivers bursting their banks etc...
and snow forecast,
I see it is bad in the UK..

Cuddle up and keep warm.

GOOD GREETINGS to everyone else here.

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#24399 Mar 23, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
TONY:
Glad you are having your throat seen to,
with any of us,
we all seem to home in on the more serious
outcome or
possibility! I think it's just how we're made
!
but there are many things in between it could
be, which aren't serious.
All the very best to you
***
Denny,
you're on a winning streak!
***
Vee,
Good news re your sister..
***
El,
Hope you are all back 100% after the fall.
Did you see the dog video Isent you
[#24302] in case you missed it..
I loved yours.
We had dreadful flooding here yesterday,
rivers bursting their banks etc...
and snow forecast,
I see it is bad in the UK..
Cuddle up and keep warm.
GOOD GREETINGS to everyone else here.
'Afternoon Grace,

I have lost track of the days to tell you the truth, must
have missed the video sorry, but will look for it l8er!
You was asking when The Voice starts again over here, I said
the 20th I believe, but it isn't, it's the 30th I see in this
weeks TV pages....and apparently they have something new to
offer, so we will see. Still the same four judges I see...
that's okay.
We seem to be having similar weather again, it's bitterly
cold here and had snow overnight and all day, dreaming
of a white Easter!
How's Ali liking the snow?

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#24400 Mar 23, 2013
tallyho wrote:
good morning
'Afternoon Sir Tally...I know you like TCM was wondering if your
programmes coincide with ours, tonight, in fact, shortly, they
are showing 'How Green Is My Valley', you might like to catch it
(if you can) lol...about a mining village in Wales, I saw it
years ago and have been waiting for it to be repeated.

Level 3

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#24401 Mar 23, 2013
Hello Lady El, Grace, Quinn, Denny, Pfff, Sir Tally and the many others that grace the kitchen. Weather here in Ohio crazy like many others. Beautiful sunny day about mid 40's but we are going to receive possibly 6 to 8 inches on Sunday through Monday. Really cute pup videos lately, thanks to those who posted them. Our son went down to Florida for the first time with his friends for spring break. This is the first time he will not be home for Easter. I am not sure if Boomer or myself is more sad of that news because Boomer was looking forward to hanging with his dude! Just call it a little more empty nest syndrome. LOL
Our NCAA basketball brackets are bleeding bad but I refuse to concede to Boomer. LOL
Hope everyone has a wonderful day!
Peace and love always.

“guess who Lois?”

Level 7

Since: Dec 06

A little hole in the wall.

#24402 Mar 23, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think this has already been answered, but yes same concept here. One an be held both criminally an civilly liable for the same action. Different burdens of proof and "punishments".
can a civil suite result in jail time or not?

“guess who Lois?”

Level 7

Since: Dec 06

A little hole in the wall.

#24403 Mar 23, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
Kind of belies the concept of "may 100 guilty go free lest an innocent man be convicted". Also explains why so many distrust the system.
i do agree with the idea that an innocent person should never have to be convicted of a crime they did not commit. That is a crime in itself.

Even the fact of being charged can ruin someones life, even if the charges are thrown out, some people will always treat it as "he was guilty but got off" ... for this reason I feel something the system lacks is the ability to charge someone without it becoming public knowledge. It should be nobody;s business until the verdict is given, and if they were found innocent then nobody should even be aware that the person had even be charged. This is because of the way people jump to conclusions.

Think of it this way ... if the system accuses or convicts an innocent man, or if a guilty man goes free, then those are both crimes ....

The system should ensure that NEITHER can happen.

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#24404 Mar 23, 2013
Brighteyes9 wrote:
Hello Lady El, Grace, Quinn, Denny, Pfff, Sir Tally and the many others that grace the kitchen. Weather here in Ohio crazy like many others. Beautiful sunny day about mid 40's but we are going to receive possibly 6 to 8 inches on Sunday through Monday. Really cute pup videos lately, thanks to those who posted them. Our son went down to Florida for the first time with his friends for spring break. This is the first time he will not be home for Easter. I am not sure if Boomer or myself is more sad of that news because Boomer was looking forward to hanging with his dude! Just call it a little more empty nest syndrome. LOL
Our NCAA basketball brackets are bleeding bad but I refuse to concede to Boomer. LOL
Hope everyone has a wonderful day!
Peace and love always.
Hello Brighteyes....that sounds like an awful lot of the white
stuff you are expecting...to be hoped you don't have to travel
far while the weather is so bad. We are lucky in that respect,
being retired, and in fact, I had a food delivery today as the
roads are really bad, so that saved me a 36 mile round trip.
Cheaper to pay the delivery charges than put fuel in the tank.
The store called me to let me know the driver would be late....
very apologetic..but at least he was able to get through in safety.
How exciting for your son and he will have much to tell you when
he comes home...be comforted in the knowledge that it isn't for
ever..that he will soon be home.
Have a great weekend and don't let the side down, although I don't understand the basketball 'talk'..you can do it, rooting for ya!...:)
Love and Peace...

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#24405 Mar 23, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
'Afternoon Sir Tally...I know you like TCM was wondering if your
programmes coincide with ours, tonight, in fact, shortly, they
are showing 'How Green Is My Valley', you might like to catch it
(if you can) lol...about a mining village in Wales, I saw it
years ago and have been waiting for it to be repeated.
funny was watching the Quiet Man ,,, really enjoy it no matter how many times I have seen it...

the movie wasn't almost made ...

will check that out though

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#24406 Mar 23, 2013
franko wrote:
<quoted text>i do agree with the idea that an innocent person should never have to be convicted of a crime they did not commit. That is a crime in itself.
Even the fact of being charged can ruin someones life, even if the charges are thrown out, some people will always treat it as "he was guilty but got off" ... for this reason I feel something the system lacks is the ability to charge someone without it becoming public knowledge. It should be nobody;s business until the verdict is given, and if they were found innocent then nobody should even be aware that the person had even be charged. This is because of the way people jump to conclusions.
Think of it this way ... if the system accuses or convicts an innocent man, or if a guilty man goes free, then those are both crimes ....
The system should ensure that NEITHER can happen.
FACT: more innocent people are in jail because of eye witness testimony .....

“ain't she sweet?”

Level 7

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#24407 Mar 23, 2013
franko wrote:
<quoted text>can a civil suite result in jail time or not?
No. Only when "the State versus......." can the defendant receive jail time

“ain't she sweet?”

Level 7

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#24408 Mar 23, 2013
franko wrote:
<quoted text>i do agree with the idea that an innocent person should never have to be convicted of a crime they did not commit. That is a crime in itself.

Even the fact of being charged can ruin someones life, even if the charges are thrown out, some people will always treat it as "he was guilty but got off" ... for this reason I feel something the system lacks is the ability to charge someone without it becoming public knowledge. It should be nobody;s business until the verdict is given, and if they were found innocent then nobody should even be aware that the person had even be charged. This is because of the way people jump to conclusions.

Think of it this way ... if the system accuses or convicts an innocent man, or if a guilty man goes free, then those are both crimes ....

The system should ensure that NEITHER can happen.
You're absolutely right about ruined reputations which is hopefully one reason the law prosecutes people who file false police reports/claims.

“....VETS”

Level 9

Since: Jan 08

WELCOME HOME

#24409 Mar 23, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Only when "the State versus......." can the defendant receive jail time
yes .....State means say a fatal accident... no witness the state or people charge you...

the yes in a civil case can mean confinement... state versus

“ain't she sweet?”

Level 7

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#24410 Mar 23, 2013
tallyho wrote:
<quoted text>yes .....State means say a fatal accident... no witness the state or people charge you...

the yes in a civil case can mean confinement... state versus
Not here. As Denny mentioned: the State prosecutes against "crimes against society" beyond just murder. Rape, burglary, assault, battery, auto theft ---- most things classified as a felony. If convicted, jail time, probation and/or monetary fines are instituted.

In criminal it always "the state versus..." The victim does not bring the charges; the victim is just a witness for the prosecution.

Civil is a person (natural or corporate) suing another person for money damages. Breach of contract, wrongful death of a loved one, damage to property.

Burden of proof in criminal is "beyond a reasonable doubt". Burden of proof in civil is "the preponderance of the evidence". That's why OJ lost the civil case ---- lower burden of proof.

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