“Ignore the trolls”

Level 6

Since: Oct 08

Poole, UK

#23708 Mar 3, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Quinn the truth is if we are going to have European Socialism we need European Taxes. I would rather do away with Socialism and keep taxes low. We can not continue to borrow nearly half of what we spend. Hunger is a great motivator. I mean how did we live without all the government care from cradle to grave. We feed kids 2 meals a day at government expense. Let parents provide for their kids !
European taxes is a pretty blanket term. Our standard rate of income tax is 20%, the top rate is 40%. Your tax grading is more complicated, but top rate is 39.8%

In the depression of the 1930s, when the basis of US welfare began, kids were virtually starving, families were homeless. Are you suggesting FDR's New Deal was not necessary? It was the first time the economic 'good times' had ended for the USA and the system was found to be severely wanting. Today, many of those on food stamps hold down jobs - but minimum wage in the USA is insufficient to provide for them - as even Bush realised, which is why the programme survived under Republican Presidents.

Be careful about dishing Europe - yet again you use the catch-all phrase of "European socialism". As I have mentioned before - socialism is not the term any economist would use, they refer to a mixed economy. Socialism involves the control of the factors of production, not simply having a system of state medical care. The GOP uses the term inaccurately as a scare tactic, just as they suggest that Obama can pick and choose what cuts come in under sequestering. He can't, that's the whole point of the draconian system of sequester. It is a last ditch attempt to make Congress, who are responsible for the budget, see sense and so cherry-picking is not allowed under the process: cuts have to be across the board (with a few exceptions such as defence).

In passing, US friends and a couple of us Brits did a comparison of medical costs in our two countries. Cost of broken leg care in UK, including use of ambulance is about 650 (just under $1,000). Cost of similar in USA -$10,000-$15,000. Difference in UK - no profit element.

“Ignore the trolls”

Level 6

Since: Oct 08

Poole, UK

#23709 Mar 3, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Democrats don't want to tax everyone. 47% of people pay no federal income tax at all. Democrats want the few to pull the wagon for the many. Democrats invented the welfare state. LBJ started the great society with mass welfare. Before LBJ's handout nearly all blacks were Republican. Welfare bought the black vote
With due respect Denny, could we drop the 47% figure that comes up again and again - the misleading nature of it has been discussed here (and elsewhere) ad infinitum. It is correct as a raw figure, but paints an inaccurate picture in what it implies.
Krypteia

Hove, UK

#23710 Mar 4, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll pass on your best wishes for recovery when we next take tea!! Latest news is that she'll be coming out today or tomorrow - nothing serious (so poor old Charles is still the prince in waiting - he'll be like Edward VII was waiting for Victoria tro die).
Well let's hope it's a long time coming...

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23711 Mar 4, 2013
DiamondDustedRose wrote:
Hi Lady Eleanor...
I've heard of devocalization of dogs before but I think it is inhumane and would never be in favor of it for any reason..
Dogs can be trained out of barking.. Anything that eats can be trained... so having said that I'm still trying to convince my pack that not all noises are worth barking over.. They get the message but their instincts over ride my training at times..
When I put them to bed at night they are very quiet because they want a bedtime treat.. In the morning however they are all ready to get up and at the day... I can call them down when they bark at something they shouldn't and they will shut up..
Denny mentioned bark collars and they are an effective training method but it does involve shocking the animal and I'm not the person who could make that choice..
I go for the reward training system..
If they are good they get a treat.. if they have to be called down then they don't get treats..
They have all figured that out but like I said there are still times when they bark because instinct tells them it is what they are supposed to do...
I've lived here for going on 3 years and no one has ever made a complaint concerning barking or anything else about My Pack for that matter..
I hope that your day was a great one and that your night has been as good or better...
Sending You and Yours all of my best wishes...
((Love-n-Hugs))
@}-'--,---
The sweetest image of your Pack having their treats at bedtime....
they are very lucky to have such a caring owner as yourself Dear
Rose.
I don't have any dogs now, but one time was trained by the Police
to train my German Shepherd, that might sound grander than it actually was, it was a friend who was a Park Police Officer, he trained me to train my dog, within a fortnight and many hours of dedication, my dog was trained to the Police Dog Standard, minus being trained to go for the arm, as it was explained, I would have a lethal weapon on my hands if we went so far.
I managed to reach that level without the aid of a bark collar....:)
In all honesty my friend took me in hand because until that point, it was the classic 'who is taking who for a walk'..that sort of thing, but then he got delusional and fancied his chances at training my Great Dane...we didn't progress very far with that one.
That was all way back when..had many rescues since then, all happy to be just good companions...if they 'sat' and 'down' then that was good enough for me.
Anyway, enough of me, lol..
Have a great day my friend....<3

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23712 Mar 4, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>Well let's hope it's a long time coming...
Indeed. I second that. The Queen is doing great, she is in the right place for the moment...she needs rest, and we can remind ourselves that the Queen Mum lived to be 101 so longevity there.

Good Morning Krypteia....great game yesterday and congrats on
Spurs win. How about Bale...no doubt about it, the Welsh certainly turn out excellent football players!

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23713 Mar 4, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
With due respect Denny, could we drop the 47% figure that comes up again and again - the misleading nature of it has been discussed here (and elsewhere) ad infinitum. It is correct as a raw figure, but paints an inaccurate picture in what it implies.
Oh no, not 47% again...lol.

'Morning Tony....

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23714 Mar 4, 2013
Tony, Krypteia....

that's quite a carrot that the Tories are dangling
wouldn't you say....that if they should win next election.......

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23715 Mar 4, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>My bird dog Britt would go crazy when I took my shotgun out of the cabinet . He was always ready to hunt. My wife bought him for me and he was very expensive. I would never have spent that much. The first time I took him hunting it was in heavy brush and I lost sight of him for a long time. I called and called for him and I thought well there went a lot of money. I had given up when he came out of the brush with a quail in his mouth. He had been on point all that time and finally gave up on me and grabbed the bird :)
'Morning Denny....glad your dog turned up, all that money spent an' all.

We found a Labrador cross had been apparently dumped on a car park in town, surrounded by a crowd who were trying to grab the tatty old lead she had dangling round her neck. After a while, no-one being successful and the dog getting more stressed..I brought our little Yorkshire Terrier out of the car and used her as a decoy..the Lab fell for it, and I caught her. The first thing I did was take her to the cop shop to have the find noted..the desk sergeant asked me what I would do with her if nobody claimed her, I replied, I will keep her.
Th first week we let her off the lead where we walked the Yorkie, Winter, dark nights, she didn't return. I was out of my mind...
absolutely no sign of her, I had left something on the stove at home,had to go home reluctantly, but when we went back after an hour, there she was.....
So I know the feeling.....
We had Lady for 15 further years...she was the sweetest dog, she would nuzzle baby lambs through the gate, hated kids though, my belief new baby arrived, out went the dog.

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23716 Mar 4, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
How different folks think,
and I know there are superb animal lovers here..
and indeed, on Offbeat in general, it must be said.
I've seen the most loving caring posts about
animals around Offbeat - KUDOS!
NO trolling on that subject LOL!
When I'm bringing my dog Ali to the river for
a swim, she knows ALL the landmarks, and understands what 'going to the river means' and near jumps out
of her fur coat with sheer excitement.. and starts
barking, whining and kinda chattering away all the way
there -
and .. rather than stop her chattering,
I let her continue to express herself, as we 'humans'
do, when talking to one another.
Some folks forget that.
Here's a gorgeous link..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =k_Jzb0yWdcUXX
Pardon if I put it here already,
[memory not as good as it was](:
Warmest greetings to all the regulars.
'Morning Grace...bless that dog of yours, that's is
such a lovely description of her joy in going to one of her
favourite places. Thei enthusiasm tends to rub off as I
recall, miss that.
Loved the link, beautiful.

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23717 Mar 4, 2013
Brighteyes9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Lady El, the festivals. We are involved in 5 festivals a year and they are truly wonderful. The first is Community Festival where close to 500,000 people come to over 3 days. The fest is not sponsored by any Corporations and we are self sufficient. We have over 3000 volunteers and no paid staff. Comfest as people know it was started over 40 years ago as we were protesting the Vietnam War. We have stood up to fight for equal rights, civil rights and gay rights to name a few. A loving and peaceful festival where all people are welcomed. Boomer and I are supervisors for Street Fair,(200 vendors)Community food, first aid and security. The second festival is near and dear to our hearts, Hot Times Festival. If you go to www.hottimesfestival.com you will see our picture under the photos by Russell Satori for the year of 2010. Once you are at the sight go to photos and look for the year and person. I will IM you the photo number we are in. We were married there in 2003 and will be renewing our vows this year. In the pictures you will see a lot of diversity along with belly dancers, food, vendors and art cars. Sorry this post is so long but you Lady El have asked for information that is all about our passion for people and the human condition. Hope you enjoy!
'Morning Brighteyes....what amazing photos those are, they really do bring to life the general feel of the festival and those committed to being part and parcel of it....a very worthy cause
and thank you for sharing, I am certainly glad I asked...
One problem I have, I can't find you! I think I may have, but I need confirmation...as it was sheer guesswork on my part taking into account the number of people on your photo. Can you possibly send it to me individually....
Then I will know where to find you when I come to Ohio next time there is a festival!
I find your passion for people very inspiring actually, very much
so, a very unselfish attitude if you will pardon me for saying so.
Wishing you a perfect day....<3

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23718 Mar 4, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes Indeed!
How right you are..
my 22 yr old grandson, advised me when training
her to.. ie 'give me the paw' use one sole word 'PAW!'..
say it clearly and firmly..
and YES that works perfectly,
as in a dog's world sentences confuse their thinking..
too many words(:
.
Hoping you are having a restful day.. RM
When we go to the Vets which I normally use, the Vet's
dog, a Border Collie, stays in the waiting room...he
always has his eye on the main chance, hoping for someone
to give him a sweet, which we don't do any more as he
isn't allowed, but, if you say 'gimme five' he sits on his haunches and puts his paw up.
When we rescued the twelve year old Rott/G.S mix, as he
had belonged to a Welshman I was saying 'Esquig Llaw'
dunno about the spelling but sounds like....he would immediately
proffer his paw. Later learned that his owner has always said
'shake'...

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23719 Mar 4, 2013
franko wrote:
<quoted text>It was aired just a week ago but I wonder if that was old footage? I thuoght it was current though ...
Hey Franko...'Morning.
I looked that up and apparently he made two rescues recently,
also last year he was instrumental in rescuing a Judge, plus
a chap from Canada...so kept quite busy.
What reminded me was....the 'copter is flying overhead at the moment, we are on the flight path between Valley and Snowdon.

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23720 Mar 4, 2013
SIR TALLY....I was quite shocked when I read your post informing us HM had been admitted to hospital...I had not yet had the news on.
So I heard it here first!
It is always worrying to hear of an elder being hospitilised, but probably just a precaution...
knew something was amiss when she had to cancel visiting our capital here in Wales on St. David's Day.

“Ignore the trolls”

Level 6

Since: Oct 08

Poole, UK

#23721 Mar 4, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
SIR TALLY....I was quite shocked when I read your post informing us HM had been admitted to hospital...I had not yet had the news on.
So I heard it here first!
It is always worrying to hear of an elder being hospitilised, but probably just a precaution...
knew something was amiss when she had to cancel visiting our capital here in Wales on St. David's Day.
It's nothing major - a bout of gatro-enteritis - more precautionary than anything else. She due out today or tomorrow.

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23722 Mar 4, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's nothing major - a bout of gatro-enteritis - more precautionary than anything else. She due out today or tomorrow.
She certainly has a heavy schedule for a person her age....
a wise precaution to enusre she has rest.

Beautiful day here Tony, not a breath of wind, bet it calm
at sea today. May go down o the harbour later, conbine
with a bit of shopping.

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23723 Mar 4, 2013
Happy MONDAY Grace, Vee, Quincy, PFfff, et al
here.

Have missed Deer Whisperer lately, always think
of Cuz Luke when watching PBS.

“ain't she sweet?”

Level 7

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#23724 Mar 4, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>European taxes is a pretty blanket term. Our standard rate of income tax is 20%, the top rate is 40%. Your tax grading is more complicated, but top rate is 39.8%

In the depression of the 1930s, when the basis of US welfare began, kids were virtually starving, families were homeless. Are you suggesting FDR's New Deal was not necessary? It was the first time the economic 'good times' had ended for the USA and the system was found to be severely wanting. Today, many of those on food stamps hold down jobs - but minimum wage in the USA is insufficient to provide for them - as even Bush realised, which is why the programme survived under Republican Presidents.

Be careful about dishing Europe - yet again you use the catch-all phrase of "European socialism". As I have mentioned before - socialism is not the term any economist would use, they refer to a mixed economy. Socialism involves the control of the factors of production, not simply having a system of state medical care. The GOP uses the term inaccurately as a scare tactic, just as they suggest that Obama can pick and choose what cuts come in under sequestering. He can't, that's the whole point of the draconian system of sequester. It is a last ditch attempt to make Congress, who are responsible for the budget, see sense and so cherry-picking is not allowed under the process: cuts have to be across the board (with a few exceptions such as defence).

In passing, US friends and a couple of us Brits did a comparison of medical costs in our two countries. Cost of broken leg care in UK, including use of ambulance is about £650 (just under $1,000). Cost of similar in USA -$10,000-$15,000. Difference in UK - no profit element.
Don't take this the wrong way Tony, but I love you man! How you manage to say what think but can't phrase correctly is amazing. You are either incredibly intelligent or one heck of a fact checker ---- likely both !

The reason "47%" may or may not pay taxes is our squirrelly tax code. People who earn income pay taxes during or at end of the year. People on unemployment pay state taxes and people on social security pay both. So what exactly is 47% supposed to mean anyway?

“ain't she sweet?”

Level 7

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#23725 Mar 4, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>With due respect Denny, could we drop the 47% figure that comes up again and again - the misleading nature of it has been discussed here (and elsewhere) ad infinitum. It is correct as a raw figure, but paints an inaccurate picture in what it implies.
All I did was ask for agreement that a common sense solution lies in both cutting spending and raising taxes. Doing one solves nothing from a budgeting standpoint.

It required a yes or no answer.

“ain't she sweet?”

Level 7

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#23726 Mar 4, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
Happy MONDAY Grace, Vee, Quincy, PFfff, et al
here.

Have missed Deer Whisperer lately, always think
of Cuz Luke when watching PBS.
I was curious why DW has been away. Seems Boomer has missing in action too. Hope all is well with both.

How is Ginger faring?

“MEOW!”

Since: Jun 06

Manchester, UK

#23727 Mar 4, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
I was curious why DW has been away. Seems Boomer has missing in action too. Hope all is well with both.
How is Ginger faring?
I seem to remember Brighteyes saying that Boomer had
ipad issues.

Ginger Bailey is great and thanks for asking, he is sunning
himself at the moment, he has his stitches removed Thursday.
I bought him one of those cones I found on Amazon, I checked
out the customer reviews first and chose one which collapses
when the cat lies down, made of soft material. He wouldn't
entertain it! Picked one up from the Vets, it was just the job, but I took pity and left it off, he has been fine without it.
Interestingly the cone I got from the Vets was made in America,
and was described as an Elizabethan Collar.
Anyway, he is thriving and enjoying the extra TLC.

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