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#23403 Feb 23, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Quinn more kids drown in swimming pools than die by accidents with guns. Are you for filling in back yard pools?
At times Some of your arguments are more ridiculous than mine.

“....VETS”

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#23407 Feb 23, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
So let's call a spade a spade. "Iraqi Freedom" my A. Bush jr just wanted Saddam because his father couldn't get him and it was embarrassment ..... and in the aftermath of the terrorist attack on 9/11 presumed world an American sentiment was right there with him.
do you really think things out>>>>>> >>

Bush sr. said:[a spoke person of the coalition]Saddam get out of Kuwait... Saddam didn't and the coalition did it for him...

Bush's mission wasn't the removal of Saddam from Iraq just Kuwait .... PERIOD ... do you know what a truce is???

Saddam violated that truce so now back to action and Bush the jr was at the head of the coalition ....you better worry about this administration and not the past

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#23408 Feb 23, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks sincerely for your response
and opinion.
I agree wakes are a wonderfully thought out therapy
[who so ever thought of it first] LOL..
Nice line of yours>
'Those closest help to make us who we are'
true, follow by example..
It certainly does help to keep alive
the image of the dead person, in often remembered
stories and anecdotes..
but I wouldn't call it
'keeping them alive'
it's more lovingly remembering them, in my opinion.
I think 'death' and parting is SO huge to grasp,
it's many elements, as you say it takes time...
but I feel impatient when I hear poems like..
'She/he is not really dead,
he's only a room away'
probably these sayings, poems etc..
are designed to help.. but the cold reality
is the person has died, is not coming back IS the harsh
reality of it...
I often think too, for those who think
religions are invented to make all of
us humans feel good about ourselves.
[and I've NO wish to offend anyone]
'The Hereafter' is designed to help
us get over death more gently,
a promise that we will see 'the deceased loved one'
again, and in a way, that is good,
because when 'we' eventually die,
IF there IS such as an afterlife, GREAT .. WONDERFUL..
if there is not... it won't matter.
I agree Grace! I've had a lot of friends and family die over the years, and I've gone on with the hopeful thought of, "they're now at peace" except for one, my brother. I keep him alive in my mind hoping that one day I can figure out why he felt the need to commit suicide. I know why my mom did it, guilt because of my brother. To this day, none of my family knows why, there was no note, no clues, no nothing. Once, I had a dream where I asked him, WHY? He told me that I didn't need to know, strange huh?

“ain't she sweet?”

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#23411 Feb 23, 2013
tallyho wrote:
<quoted text>do you really think things out>>>>>> >>

Bush sr. said:[a spoke person of the coalition]Saddam get out of Kuwait... Saddam didn't and the coalition did it for him...

Bush's mission wasn't the removal of Saddam from Iraq just Kuwait .... PERIOD ... do you know what a truce is???

Saddam violated that truce so now back to action and Bush the jr was at the head of the coalition ....you better worry about this administration and not the past
I've given up worrying since there is nothing I can do about any of it and quite frankly I do not believe that that the vote of people matters much anymore whether on on the national level or the local.

While not entirely a conspiracy theorist, I do not trust our politicians one iota. I an many others believed rightly or wrongly that Kuwait was about nothing more than the control oil supply....Saddam had it and Bush Sr and the rest of the world did too. Saddam did not go as easily as expected and when given the opportunity some of us believe Bush Jr merely righted a wrong done to his father.

After 9/11 when when we had the terror warning color code, it was quite interesting how every time Bush's approval went south over Iraq, the terror warning went code yellow or red.

As for the current administration, I can't do anything about it. Yes, do something about too many guns in the wrong hands; yes, do something about healthcare coverage for the uninsured since the private sector won't --- either way the taxpayer pays through free care in the ER for uninsured, Medicaid or higher rates.

“guess who Lois?”

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Since: Dec 06

A little hole in the wall.

#23414 Feb 23, 2013
DondoDork wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree Grace! I've had a lot of friends and family die over the years, and I've gone on with the hopeful thought of, "they're now at peace" except for one, my brother. I keep him alive in my mind hoping that one day I can figure out why he felt the need to commit suicide. I know why my mom did it, guilt because of my brother. To this day, none of my family knows why, there was no note, no clues, no nothing. Once, I had a dream where I asked him, WHY? He told me that I didn't need to know, strange huh?
were there no clues in his behaviour? depression? A divorce? NO luck finding a woman to marry him? Or to have as a girlfreind? Drugs? Alchohol? Did he feel that his life a as child was no good? did he not have luck with work? There must be some clues. If you really want to know, have you asked the poeple he was around the most at the time he did it, if he was not living at home with you?

What was his day to day attitude like? Was he normally pessimistic or optmimistic? did that change in the weeks/months before?4808

“guess who Lois?”

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Since: Dec 06

A little hole in the wall.

#23415 Feb 23, 2013
AKA - Trish wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello DD,,, it's been a while since I've seen you. I'm glad to see you're back posting again. You were always kind to me, nor matter what I may have misunderstood. DANG newbies misunderstand much and when no one reaches at all to help ... we wander,,, blinded and a bit nervous. Yes, even a mouthy and toughgal like me occasionally.
I struggle with the thoughts of SUICIDE. Can't find three preachers that will tell me the same thing to put my mind at ease. My last brother was the hardest and I was the strongest at time in my life. I crumbled and I'm not quite over it yet. I tried ... desperately to talk him out of it.... I was 1600 miles away though. Peace to you and your loved ones. How's your weather?:)
I'm sorry to hear yuo've gone through this ... I think this is something many of us have encountered, mostly with someone we knew but some of us may have struggled with it personally too. In my case my ex wife and daughter both had suicidal thoughts after being in a severe car accident ... it;s tough. for them and for those around the.

I hope you manage to stay optimistic about our own life and get back on track about life in the here and now.

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#23416 Feb 23, 2013
franko wrote:
<quoted text>were there no clues in his behaviour? depression? A divorce? NO luck finding a woman to marry him? Or to have as a girlfreind? Drugs? Alchohol? Did he feel that his life a as child was no good? did he not have luck with work? There must be some clues. If you really want to know, have you asked the poeple he was around the most at the time he did it, if he was not living at home with you?
What was his day to day attitude like? Was he normally pessimistic or optmimistic? did that change in the weeks/months before?4808
No Franko, none that I can think of. My brother was single (never married) no kids, a Deacon and youth counselor in his church. He had just bought a new car, had an awesome job as armed security at a place on the ocean (CA) that shoots satellites into space. No drugs or alcohol he was 16 years sober. My mom told me (before she committed suicide) that he had a lady that he was going to purpose to but she and my dad had disapproved of because she was black. No one knows if this was the reason or not. She was at his funeral and was a very pretty girl. I was so disappointed in my parents because I thought they had gotten over their racist attitudes when I was in a long relationship with a Mexican gentleman. The sad part is, my dad found my bother after he had shot himself in the head with his 357 and he also found my mom after she had shot herself twice. I know his guilt is eating him up also, but I can also feel good knowing that he won't go out that way.

“guess who Lois?”

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Since: Dec 06

A little hole in the wall.

#23418 Feb 23, 2013
DondoDork wrote:
<quoted text>
No Franko, none that I can think of. My brother was single (never married) no kids, a Deacon and youth counselor in his church. He had just bought a new car, had an awesome job as armed security at a place on the ocean (CA) that shoots satellites into space. No drugs or alcohol he was 16 years sober. My mom told me (before she committed suicide) that he had a lady that he was going to purpose to but she and my dad had disapproved of because she was black. No one knows if this was the reason or not. She was at his funeral and was a very pretty girl. I was so disappointed in my parents because I thought they had gotten over their racist attitudes when I was in a long relationship with a Mexican gentleman. The sad part is, my dad found my bother after he had shot himself in the head with his 357 and he also found my mom after she had shot herself twice. I know his guilt is eating him up also, but I can also feel good knowing that he won't go out that way.
It sounds like a normal life .. some good some bad ... I would hope he intended to marry the girl regardless of what his parents thought .. love is love and when you find it , it is a treasure you don't give up.

Yuo say 16 years sober .. does that mean he did have an alchohol problem in his past? That could be a clue, sometimes people who have alchohol or drug problems seem to have inner demons they can't seem to shake.

I wonder if anyone thought of an autopsy? Maybe something happened in his brain that made him feel extremely depressed .. and suddenly he did not know how to deal with the pressures of life that he normally dealt with very well? That is a small percentage possibility but who knows?? A freind of mine who was quite normal up to about age 20 suddenly had something go wrong and he spent the rest of his life struggling with depression ... he is 50 now and no change...

I'm glad your dad has the strength to go on with life even after going through such trauma .. I hope you are both support for each other.

“Ignore the trolls”

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Poole, UK

#23419 Feb 24, 2013
Mia LeNora wrote:
<quoted text>
You just made it very clear that there is a big difference between...a relaxing place where you can sit around and chill, tell a joke, put your favourite song on, and generally just get along...and god awful boring.
Ah, looks like sweetie pie has decided to grace this thread with her bile.

“....VETS”

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WELCOME HOME

#23420 Feb 24, 2013
good morning , LADY EL/MADAME GRACIE/LADIES&GENTS OF THE REALM and the Kit Krue

“....VETS”

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#23421 Feb 24, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's my point....we pick and choose who to 'help' and then try to make it about the citizenry who are oppressed. The Iraqis did not ask for anyone's help. I wasn't around, but didn't some the Europeans under Hitler ask for international assistance?
get real , governments ask for HELP...

The Hungarian Revolution or Uprising of 1956 , asked , the rebels not the governments ... who helped?????????

The American Revolution asked , the rebels who helped ..one about 6 years later...
The Confederate States of America asked for help ,the rebels who helped..

please opinions are a source of hope/dispair/info true and false... in the know and the unknowing .... chose wisely

“....VETS”

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#23422 Feb 24, 2013
Kuwait asked the UN ..........

An international organization composed of most of the countries of the world. It was founded in 1945 to promote peace, security, and economic development.

Not the Bush family

“Daffodil time once more”

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#23423 Feb 24, 2013
Good Morning to all across the pond,'Afternoon to Grace, Tony and Krypteia.

Firstly, Great scores yesterday Tony and Krypt...
both England and Wales came up trumps. Man United
won also, so a good day all round.

An exciting day in the world of football today as a team from the third division have worked their way through to meet a team in the top league....
divided loyalties for me as they are playing Swansea..a Welsh team...so will say may the best team win. But COME ON BRADFORD!

Quarter of an hour to the start of the television coverage so just time to prepare scones, jam and clotted cream from Cornwall and coffee....see y'all later....and hope everybody is having a lovely weekend.

“Denny Crain”

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Since: Jan 11

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#23424 Feb 24, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
Good Morning to all across the pond,'Afternoon to Grace, Tony and Krypteia.
Firstly, Great scores yesterday Tony and Krypt...
both England and Wales came up trumps. Man United
won also, so a good day all round.
An exciting day in the world of football today as a team from the third division have worked their way through to meet a team in the top league....
divided loyalties for me as they are playing Swansea..a Welsh team...so will say may the best team win. But COME ON BRADFORD!
Quarter of an hour to the start of the television coverage so just time to prepare scones, jam and clotted cream from Cornwall and coffee....see y'all later....and hope everybody is having a lovely weekend.
Scones and jam and clotted creme :) Yes please

“Denny Crain”

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#23425 Feb 24, 2013
AKA - Trish wrote:
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Hello Denny,,, OHHHH, aren't we all glad he's gone? I hate to be that way,,, but I am. I do believe in capitol punishment. DEATH as quickly as possible with only a few bologna sandwiches while they wait..... NOT DECADES down the road and that goes for BATMAN shooter and all others that are guilty without a doubt. Sorry, I do NOT care if they have a mental illness either. DEATH to KILLERS of innocent lives.
Hope you are well.
HI FOLKS,,, nice to see you again.
Peace regardless ... worth an extra step in my book.
Thanks for letting me share and your kindness each time I slip
through your doors. You really do have a wonderful place here Ms El.
:)
:)
I agree completely Trish

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#23426 Feb 24, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Scones and jam and clotted creme :) Yes please
Hey Sir!

Watch that there waistline(:

(Hi Denny, Happy Sunday)

“Happy Birthday”

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Since: Dec 06

#23427 Feb 24, 2013
For 'Dondo Dork'

& 'AKA Trish'

.

SO very sorry to read the sad contents of both
your posts..

Dying by one's own hand IS
the most difficult of ALL deaths
to deal with AND come to terms with..

Days spent forever asking 'Why'

'Was there anything I could have done'

but I think there never really is!

In a hidden corner of the mind of that person,
a decision is made and they take their secret
away with them.

HEARTFELT thoughts to you both.

Vee

“Happeeeeeee 2016!!!!!!!”

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#23428 Feb 24, 2013
Just my thoughts. The loss of anyone or anything that we are attached to is overwhelming. Whether we show outward emotion or keep it inside, trying to hide the pain and anguish, it takes its' toll on us in many ways. There is no right way or wrong way to deal with it. People mean well when they offer words of comfort, we know most people are saying it from the heart, but does it really help? Eventually, we are all left alone to deal with our grief, and during that time, no one knows that we need to be comforted more then any other time. People, get wrapped up in their own personal lives, as it should be, and we still grieve. Days, weeks, months down the road, we really want others to hang on to us long after they believe it is relatively safe to move on. Anyone who has suffered a loss, maybe more dramatic to others then to us, please know, you are always in my thoughts and prayers. With that being said, I do want to wish everyone a Happeeeeeeeeeeeee Sinday, and better days ahead for those that are dealing with intolerable suffering.

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#23429 Feb 24, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
For 'Dondo Dork'
& 'AKA Trish'
.
SO very sorry to read the sad contents of both
your posts..
Dying by one's own hand IS
the most difficult of ALL deaths
to deal with AND come to terms with..
Days spent forever asking 'Why'
'Was there anything I could have done'
but I think there never really is!
In a hidden corner of the mind of that person,
a decision is made and they take their secret
away with them.
HEARTFELT thoughts to you both.
Thank you Grace! The "why" is the reason I think I can't let go. I knew the reason "why" for my mom, even knew that she would do it. There was no stopping her, even had her committed at one point but in CA a 3 day hold without a court order is the best you can do. By the time we could get that court order, she was gone. I don't dwell on my mom, like I said before, we all knew why. I don't know what I would do if something happened to one of my children or grandchildren so I understand her desire to be with him. My brother died June 1, 2005 and my mother killed herself 1 day prior to the two year anniversary of his death. May 31, 2007. I try to be in CA each year from May-June 11th.(my dads bday) I just can't bare the thought of him being alone on those days.

Chatty said to tell you hello!

“Daffodil time once more”

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#23430 Feb 24, 2013
This was to be a weekend of relaxation after a stressful week with one thing and another.

As you yourself said Grace...Tony brought calm and balm to our minds with his intentions for yesterday.

Sadly, my own weekend was overshadowed by the past.

'Philosophical'? Me? Make that conditioned. As after losing the most precious people to me at an early age, and witnessing, at the age of 10, the woman who was to be my guardian, attempt to fling herself into the grave of my Grandmother, I, at that point in time 'conditioned' myself to believe that death was inevitable and should be handled with DIGNITY. Lost many since those far flung days, nursed my Mother until she passed, lost my brothers two, it hasn't been an easy time.

And you know what. I am still grieving for the loss of my bloody cats who I had to have euthenized but a short time ago.

So there you have it...and thanks for bringing it all back.

If anybody wants to contact me who has my e-mail addie...feel free.

I'm done here.

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