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#23362 Feb 22, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>I don't understand why you keep harping on about this, needless to say I didn't mean that ALL the general public are criminals, but rather, Once Upon A Time, criminals came under the category of just the general public. As is the case illustrated here by Grace, one minute a member of the general public, next, a 'hero' of the Paralympics, followed by a criminal...or suspected criminal.
I hope I have managed to clear that up....:)
I realize that Texas have their own way of dealing with things also....
What was I harping on? I must have misunderstood something since I came in the midst of a conversation between you & Denny.

I steadfastly disagree with Denny on guns. Every opportunity he has, he touts gun laws, concealed carry, and makes the 2nd Amendment sound like a carte blanch absolute right to have a gun....which it isn't and doesn't.

I thought his remark about about the 'general public' excluded himself from the category and suggested everyone else in a criminal, therefore he has every right to shoot someone.

As far as the Pistorius (sp?), I have not commented on that as I have not been following any of it so I have nothing to say.

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#23363 Feb 22, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>Sir Tally...I would like you to know that I really feel your
pain..and I grieve for the past.
I can't begin to imagine even with the stories shared throughout my life. The provisions in the US were nothing compared to the goings on in Europe. I have no idea why the President waited. Need to brush up on my history.

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#23364 Feb 22, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
Took my son to Gatwick as he's off to Denmark not sure how long for,pretty upset going to miss him,(hopefully he will only stick it for a month then be home)well anyway it was sleeting and bits of snow at the airport and the same here at home,but it's freezing haven't felt this cold in a while that's for sure.
You have more than one? I recall your son was seriously ill with croup was it? I hope he is now fully recovered and doing all the things kids do these days.

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#23365 Feb 22, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>I think I shall hibernate until it warms up again. It looks lovely
from the inside, but the ground is rock solid.
I agree with you about the media Grace, the price they pay for being a 'celeb' hard on the families too.
I dread to think of him being imprisoned...but then again, a life was taken....
If only we could hibernate like the bears!

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#23366 Feb 22, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Quinn there were 500 WMDs found left from the first war. Everyone including Sadam's generals thought there were big stock piles of WMD's. Clinton thought there were
So does that mean just because you 'think' your neighbor is amassing weapons you can break into his house and kill him first ?

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#23367 Feb 22, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>LOL I just make you think you have seen a miracle :) Do you believe in ESP ? Then do you believe in ESPN the physic sports network :)
I tend to believe that some people do in fact have a gift. Label it what you will. But it's intuition or energy or awareness. It has been said that humans only use a small fraction of the brain. Perhaps some can tap into it more than others.

No ESP in the psychic hotline sense but in the sense that some have a gift the rest may not.

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#23368 Feb 22, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>Indeed! I wouldn't wonder!

Altho' it's Spring,

It's cold enough here too for a shower or
two of snow/sleet.,,
but frosty nights make sun filled days.
At least it's beautiful and without the wind 27 degrees (-2.7C) didn't feel too bad.

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#23369 Feb 22, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>Hello Grace,of course it would be something you would have to live with for the rest of your life I agree with you,the problem is there is no real deterrent or justice as such when caught.
To be far the Americans don't fanny around at least when they give a punishment you get a punishment the problem I have is the bleeding heart brigade making excuses for them,you know well they hard a hard life,no father,nothing to occupy their minds and so and making it feel like it's your fault they broke into your house.
The thing is what I got I worked and payed for a no toe rag is going to enter my place and take,it might sound to you I'm being big or whatever but I honestly have no problem hurting anybody trying to take..
Anyway hope you have a good day babes and hope Ireland will do ok this weekend..xx
I would not be so worreid about things they can take, it's not worth risking a life over that.

The bigger fear, and the one referenced in the Pistorious case, is that home invasion can result in phsical violence, rapes and murder. And South Africa apparently has a very bad situation of home invasoins involving violence these days.

That represents a smaller portion of all break ins but it is the fear of what harm might be done that can provoke a defence with force.

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#23370 Feb 22, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
then the intruder would know that the gun was not pointing at the door!
he's inside a bathroom, nowhere to go .. what does it matter?

the point being, that the girlfriend, if it was her, would answer and he would no he has it dealing with an intruduer. No answer or an answer from someone other than his GF, and he knows he does have an intruder.

This is the flaw I see in the scenario ... he had TIME because of this and a chance to verify what;s what ... a shooting would more likely occur if they were in a face to face confrontation ....

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#23371 Feb 22, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
Took my son to Gatwick as he's off to Denmark not sure how long for,pretty upset going to miss him,(hopefully he will only stick it for a month then be home)well anyway it was sleeting and bits of snow at the airport and the same here at home,but it's freezing haven't felt this cold in a while that's for sure.
why is he going to Denmark?

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#23372 Feb 22, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
then the intruder would know that the gun was not pointing at the door!
By the way EL ... I am taking the appraoch in our discussion, to put myself in the prosecution's shoes and think about what they would say in court.

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#23373 Feb 22, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
'Morning Tony....freezing literally...went down to the Co-op
earlier and 100 years of the road was like a sheet of glass
where the water had frozen solid. We are in for a cold spell
again apparently, but did you see the footage of the golf on
the news this morning in Arizona....a white out there, so
should be thankful for small mercies.
Any sailing in the offing?
Still catching up - the boat is ashore at the moment for repairs and anti-fouling. Already fully booked for the Round the Island Race, have a training weekend in April for the crew and a teaching course at the beginning of May, so the work is starting to arrive however slowly. However, holiday time before that - hope to be in the States in another month.

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#23374 Feb 22, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Lets hope in prison they are someones virgin :)
No danger of that - they are butt ugly!!

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#23375 Feb 22, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
'Assumption' isn't good enough, Denny
what about common dialogue?
ie.
to the burglar
'I have a gun here and if you don't get the *ell
out of my house now -
or give yourself up -
I'll shoot'
that would be 'some' kind of fair chance to give
anyone.
Hope you'll excuse me for saying
NO wonder guns ' been have been' and 'are getting so many
folks into trouble 'over there'
Interesting that armed police and the military have to shout a warning before they open fire, but ordinary members of the public don't?

I cannot for the life of me believe Oscar's story. He knew his girlfriend was in the house. He went off to find his gun, came back and fired through the door. Wtf? Shades of O J Simpson in my mind - the bloke had a record of violence towards women. Now we'll have to await the trial in June, but celebrity seems to have a different set of laws to ordinary folk.

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#23376 Feb 22, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Now Grace you know I like you to much to ever have a problem with anything you say to me. Guns get criminals in trouble. Here in Dallas a burglar locked his self in the bathroom and called the police to come and get him before the home owner shot him. I had two guys break in my house in the middle of the night. I got a pistol and my wife shouted at me to not shoot it may be the boys. When they heard that they ran. In Texas if they are on you land at night you are justified in shooting them. We also have the death sentence for murders. That ends the problem. The last thing I am interested in when it comes to a gun fight is giving anyone a fair chance. Giving a warning that you have a gun may be your last words
That would explain why Texas has such a high rate of gun murder. Ramp up the ante and you ramp up the response: it becomes a circle of violence. Last year, Texas had more gun crimes than the whole of the UK, in a state with a population of just over 26 million: less than half the population of the UK. Here are the raw figures:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/...

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#23377 Feb 22, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
steroid use was discounted. It was herbal medication. Keep up! lol
It was actually testosterone (as if he needed more of that!) and hypodermic needles.

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#23378 Feb 22, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
If a dictator's mass killing is reason enough to invade a sovereign nation, than why wasn't the US or anyone else going into Rwanda or Haiti or a host of other countries?
Think we all know the answer to that one - Rwanda and Haiti don't have any known oil!

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#23379 Feb 22, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
It is my understanding that is quite true...an appeasement plan was in operation and an agreement with Poland was in force that if Poland were attacked, Britain would enter the war. On cue, when Poland did come under attack, Britain and France declared war.
I really do not know about Belgium/Holland...
Up until 1938, the UK was committed to a policy of appeasement for two reasons:

1. There was a genuine belief that what Hitler's demands (unification of all German-speaking peoples) was justified after the harshness of the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. It is easy with hindsight to see this was not his true objective, but not before his actions of 1938/9. Even Winston Churchill was in agreement with the policy up to 1936.

2. Although re-armament began in 1934 (for the RAF) and 1936 for the other services, after the period of cuts in the 20s and early 30s, the UK needed to buy time to gain strength. Sadly, the price of that time was Czechoslovakia.

It was only with the invasion of the rump of Czechoslovakia on 15th March 1939 (they had lost the Sudetenland with all its defences as a result of the Munich Agreement of Sept 1938) that the government realised that appeasement as a policy was a dead duck - this was the first invasion of an area with non-German speaking population, revealing the Nazis true intentions. Within two weeks, guarantees were given to Poland and Rumania, seen as the next on Hitler's shopping list. Such blanket guarantees were without precedent in UK history. With the invasion of 3rd Sept 1939, both the UK and France honoured their guarantees (although strategically, there was precious little they could do to help Poland).

Holland was invaded 10 May 1940 to secure Hitler's flank for the invasion of France, which went through Belgium, starting on the same day. Holland fell within three days, Belgium last 18, but only because Franch and British forces moved up to pre-arranged defensive positions.

As we all know, Blitzkrieg (the German tactic of lightning war) was revolutionary at the time: the allied commanders had no concept of how to respond to it - they were preparing to re-fight World War I in terms of tactics, but no one thought to give Germany that script!

Hope I didn't bore everyone stupid!

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#23380 Feb 22, 2013
Hi all - had intended to come in and begin with that, but got sidetracked in responding to the last couple of days' posts. RUGBY WEEKEND!!! Must dash off and do the shop so that I can remain undisturbed all afternoon as I watch England deal with the old enemy (France) at 1700 after a hope (probably futile) that the Italians can do a number on the Welsh in their match at 1430. Then cheer on the Irish tomorrow against the Scots at Murrayfield.

Always back whoever plays the Taffs - have not forgiven them for the misery inflicted on me at a Welsh university on match day during the 1970s!

Have a great weekend, even if in the UK it is a tad chilly.

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#23381 Feb 23, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Up until 1938, the UK was committed to a policy of appeasement for two reasons:
1. There was a genuine belief that what Hitler's demands (unification of all German-speaking peoples) was justified after the harshness of the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. It is easy with hindsight to see this was not his true objective, but not before his actions of 1938/9. Even Winston Churchill was in agreement with the policy up to 1936.
2. Although re-armament began in 1934 (for the RAF) and 1936 for the other services, after the period of cuts in the 20s and early 30s, the UK needed to buy time to gain strength. Sadly, the price of that time was Czechoslovakia.
It was only with the invasion of the rump of Czechoslovakia on 15th March 1939 (they had lost the Sudetenland with all its defences as a result of the Munich Agreement of Sept 1938) that the government realised that appeasement as a policy was a dead duck - this was the first invasion of an area with non-German speaking population, revealing the Nazis true intentions. Within two weeks, guarantees were given to Poland and Rumania, seen as the next on Hitler's shopping list. Such blanket guarantees were without precedent in UK history. With the invasion of 3rd Sept 1939, both the UK and France honoured their guarantees (although strategically, there was precious little they could do to help Poland).
Holland was invaded 10 May 1940 to secure Hitler's flank for the invasion of France, which went through Belgium, starting on the same day. Holland fell within three days, Belgium last 18, but only because Franch and British forces moved up to pre-arranged defensive positions.
As we all know, Blitzkrieg (the German tactic of lightning war) was revolutionary at the time: the allied commanders had no concept of how to respond to it - they were preparing to re-fight World War I in terms of tactics, but no one thought to give Germany that script!
Hope I didn't bore everyone stupid!
no ... very interesting ... especially the last part which explains why the Germans made such easy early advances.

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