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#23140 Feb 17, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
Bless you Tony for being an excellent fact checker!!!!! I have stated repeatedly I am no fan Obama (I live in Illinois where he was a senator and voted for him then) but it is clearly the Republicans who flat out stated they would not work with him one iota. They ostracized Republicans who compromised with the Dems. They said they would make him a one term President ...... they failed.
It's the Republicans who refuse to do their job and have screwed the citizenry. Votes on the debt and taxes keep coming up and they refuse to work with the President.
As for Benghazi, it was the Republicans who cut spending for security at the embassy and shot down Hillary Clinton's request for funding.
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/10/10/...
Who cares why it happened or whether Obama initially said it was a protest? It happened and in spite of Administration requests to increase security, Republicans said no ---- Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan included ----- and then the Republicans have the gall to blame the Administration for the security failure .
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WHen the Democrats were choosing to elect either Hillary or Obamma as thier leader, I told poeple that while it is a groundbreaking first if either one became president, that there would be opposition of all kinds .. especially to Obamma because he is black. This on top of the usuall opposition by one party against another. I predicted it would be VERY HARD for Obamma to get anything of real substance done because of the behind the scenes undermining that would go on.

As to their stonewalling as you described above .. I think the constitution should have laws that force opposing parties to make a vote because otherwise vital actions that need immediate attentoin could be blocked and it could adversely affect the entire country.

“Denny Crain”

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#23141 Feb 17, 2013
franko wrote:
<quoted text>WHen the Democrats were choosing to elect either Hillary or Obamma as thier leader, I told poeple that while it is a groundbreaking first if either one became president, that there would be opposition of all kinds .. especially to Obamma because he is black. This on top of the usuall opposition by one party against another. I predicted it would be VERY HARD for Obamma to get anything of real substance done because of the behind the scenes undermining that would go on.
As to their stonewalling as you described above .. I think the constitution should have laws that force opposing parties to make a vote because otherwise vital actions that need immediate attentoin could be blocked and it could adversely affect the entire country.
Franko race has very little to do with anything. After all he won twice. The Republican controlled house sends bills to the senate and the Democrat controlled Senate won't even bring them up for a vote. Obama had both houses for the first two years and he still couldn't get anything done. Obama doesn't govern but campaigns all the time.

“ain't she sweet?”

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#23142 Feb 17, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Corporations pay the highest tax in the world at 35% the so called loop holes are put there by politicians on both side because those corporation support the campaigns. I think there should be zero tax on corporations. To them tax is a cost of doing business and they raise the price of what they sell and are no longer competitive in the market place against China. There are no loophole unless you are super rich. I had to pay $85K in taxes one years and my accountant could find none of these loopholes you talk about. The top 5% already pay 95% of the federal tax. I would doubt that a speaker didn't pay taxes on his engagements. To make matters even worse lower income get back more federal tax than they paid in because of the earned income tax credit. From each according his ability to each according his need. Pure Socialism! I feel sorry for the former rich in England who have to give there former great estates to the National Trust and they are allowed to live in a small portion of their former estate..
I am not in favor earned income tax credits or the taxes people pay for each kid they have. You have 'em pay for 'em yourself.

My new account told me that the reason Mitt paid less in taxes had to do with his not having to claim speaking engagement fees so apparently when they do that it's not considered "income".

Corporations and people should pay taxes. The religious organizations and non profits should also pay taxes.....they are currently exempt from real estate taxes at least in IL.

“ain't she sweet?”

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#23143 Feb 17, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>You do pay taxes on your capital gains even though you are ready paid tax once. Very very few people make their income only from investment. That is why Buffet pay 15% which is a lower rate than his employees. Jackson is on his way to jail as he should be. All I want is a even playing field in the media and yes I think Fox does a better job at that than NBC. The very best is CSPAN. I have no idea what Brian Lambs politics are. No raise eyebrow or no explaining what someone meant to say. That is the way the media should act when it comes to pure news. Commentary is another thing. It is when News is done as commentary that there is a major distortion of the truth
You misunderstand. I'm not sticking up for Jr nor do I think the media shouldn't a be all over it. My point is that irrespective of political affiliation media coverage is media coverage. The conservatives pick on the liberals as much s the reverse.

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#23144 Feb 17, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Now that is a good example of spin. I don't know which version of the bill is better. Do you? Are there any non related poison pills in the senate bill?
Up until this year it passed with bipartisan support with no debate. It's about domestic violence. How can that fall on one party line versus the other now? There was never an issue for what, 17 years sit was first enacted? As far as I'm aware there are no unfunded mandates, no taxes, no increase in government spending. It is about protecting victims of abuse in domestic relationships. I think that includes LGBT relationships but so what? It's not about Obama ---- he didn't push the bill it was already there ---- it's not about 'freebies' to anyone or additional taxes to anyone, it's because social conservatives this time it's up for renewal have an agenda which does not include protecting people in relationships they do not condone. It makes no political or ethical sense to oppose the bill's renewal.

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#23146 Feb 17, 2013
franko wrote:
<quoted text>WHen the Democrats were choosing to elect either Hillary or Obamma as thier leader, I told poeple that while it is a groundbreaking first if either one became president, that there would be opposition of all kinds .. especially to Obamma because he is black. This on top of the usuall opposition by one party against another. I predicted it would be VERY HARD for Obamma to get anything of real substance done because of the behind the scenes undermining that would go on.

As to their stonewalling as you described above .. I think the constitution should have laws that force opposing parties to make a vote because otherwise vital actions that need immediate attentoin could be blocked and it could adversely affect the entire country.
And as a retired military man told me, servicemen would never respond to a female Commander in Chief.

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#23147 Feb 17, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Franko race has very little to do with anything. After all he won twice. The Republican controlled house sends bills to the senate and the Democrat controlled Senate won't even bring them up for a vote. Obama had both houses for the first two years and he still couldn't get anything done. Obama doesn't govern but campaigns all the time.
I beg to differ, race has everything to do with it. People said it and so did the Republican hierarchy when they flat out said their mission was to make him a one term Pres.(I recall Mitch McConnell was one of them)Look how close the election was.

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#23148 Feb 17, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Franko race has very little to do with anything. After all he won twice. The Republican controlled house sends bills to the senate and the Democrat controlled Senate won't even bring them up for a vote. Obama had both houses for the first two years and he still couldn't get anything done. Obama doesn't govern but campaigns all the time.
From across the pond, that was not the impression that either of the elections gave. The whole tone of the Republican campaign, from the farce of the birth certificate debacle (which some tried to continue to run with even after it was shown to be a dead horse) through to less than savoury comments about his parents had an underlying agenda of race. It was not overt, for that would have been political suicide.

As to the blocking of bills, we have some reporting of it. This is an example from The Guardian (a reputable newpaper over here) of five days ago:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/12/r...

To remain balanced, here's one I found about a Republican bill being blocked:
http://www.bellevuereporter.com/news/18992426...

Both sides do it - it's known as politics!

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#23149 Feb 18, 2013
I lost a longtime friend .. she passed
with all the family present.

I'm glad she is at rest, for her sake..
particularly,as there was no way
back .. having had such an aggressive
form of cancer
one has to think of what's best
for the person in a lot of pain..

and that's my consolation now.

“ain't she sweet?”

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#23150 Feb 18, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>From across the pond, that was not the impression that either of the elections gave. The whole tone of the Republican campaign, from the farce of the birth certificate debacle (which some tried to continue to run with even after it was shown to be a dead horse) through to less than savoury comments about his parents had an underlying agenda of race. It was not overt, for that would have been political suicide.

As to the blocking of bills, we have some reporting of it. This is an example from The Guardian (a reputable newpaper over here) of five days ago:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/12/r...

To remain balanced, here's one I found about a Republican bill being blocked:
http://www.bellevuereporter.com/news/18992426...

Both sides do it - it's known as politics!
:-)

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#23151 Feb 18, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
I lost a longtime friend .. she passed
with all the family present.
I'm glad she is at rest, for her sake..
particularly,as there was no way
back .. having had such an aggressive
form of cancer
one has to think of what's best
for the person in a lot of pain..
and that's my consolation now.
Grace.

Very very sorry to hear of the loss of your
friend. At the very least, no more suffering.
May she Rest In Peace.

Sincerely and deepest sympathy.

J.

“Denny Crain”

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#23152 Feb 18, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
I lost a longtime friend .. she passed
with all the family present.
I'm glad she is at rest, for her sake..
particularly,as there was no way
back .. having had such an aggressive
form of cancer
one has to think of what's best
for the person in a lot of pain..
and that's my consolation now.
I am sorry for your loss sweet Grace

“Denny Crain”

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#23153 Feb 18, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
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Grace.
Very very sorry to hear of the loss of your
friend. At the very least, no more suffering.
May she Rest In Peace.
Sincerely and deepest sympathy.
J.
Good morning El and all who come to your kitchen

“Denny Crain”

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#23154 Feb 18, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
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I beg to differ, race has everything to do with it. People said it and so did the Republican hierarchy when they flat out said their mission was to make him a one term Pres.(I recall Mitch McConnell was one of them)Look how close the election was.
Quinn as you know both parties want there opposition to have only one term. In the first two years they didn't need one Republican vote to pass their agenda. Obama was so radical even Democrats voted against him. Just like Obama's gun grab today it will not have full Democrat support

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#23155 Feb 18, 2013
Good Day to All here, Grace, Quincy, Rose, Flower Brighteyes, Boomer, Tony, Denny and Franko...

rather a chilly day but sunny...just on my way
out so just to wish everybody a fine day....

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#23156 Feb 18, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Good morning El and all who come to your kitchen
Hello there Denny....:)

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#23157 Feb 18, 2013
Denny....can I leave you serving the coffee please...Grace likes a spot of tea....

“Denny Crain”

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#23158 Feb 18, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
Denny....can I leave you serving the coffee please...Grace likes a spot of tea....
I would be more than happy to be mother :)

“Denny Crain”

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#23159 Feb 18, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not in favor earned income tax credits or the taxes people pay for each kid they have. You have 'em pay for 'em yourself.
My new account told me that the reason Mitt paid less in taxes had to do with his not having to claim speaking engagement fees so apparently when they do that it's not considered "income".
Corporations and people should pay taxes. The religious organizations and non profits should also pay taxes.....they are currently exempt from real estate taxes at least in IL.
I agree on the churches paying taxes :) See there are some things we agree on

“Denny Crain”

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#23160 Feb 18, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
You misunderstand. I'm not sticking up for Jr nor do I think the media shouldn't a be all over it. My point is that irrespective of political affiliation media coverage is media coverage. The conservatives pick on the liberals as much s the reverse.
Jr may be big media in Chicago but not so much on the national media

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