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“Denny Crain”

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#23039 Feb 16, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
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In total agreement with you Tony. Also, I learnt something
in what you say about the Falklands...
Maggie was a hero over here. Not many of them around :) Have a great weekend El

“Towards Christmas.”

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#23040 Feb 16, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Maggie was a hero over here. Not many of them around :) Have a great weekend El
I know, for a fact,
that Magie T.. was intensely disliked in Ireland by many..

“Towards Christmas.”

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#23041 Feb 16, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like he has shot himself in the foot....
Feel dreadfull sorry for all concerned naturally enough.
'Morning Grace....lovely morning.
BEAUTIFUL Spring day here too, El.

I know! aren't we a little naughty(:

looks like this story will 'RUN' for a while!!!

“Ignore the trolls”

Level 6

Since: Oct 08

Bristol, UK

#23042 Feb 16, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting Tony, and thank you for your comment. It's enough to try to comprehend what US politicians do, to hear from the governed of other countries is always welcome. Example: your opinions of Obama and Hilary may be vastly different from my own.
As for your points:
1. Oh I recall that Falklands, and Afghanistan the first time. Americans tend to forget we supported Bin Laden there......look where that got us.
2. The same can be said for US policies and NAFTA. Up until about the '70s, early '80s maybe, we were a manufacturing driven economy. Sadly, no more. And all it's gotten us is mass produced cheap crap from China. Americans will no longer buy American because its too expensive.
3. She must have been a 'card carrying member, of the Republican Party here in the US.
4. Some form of tax is truly necessary. I will admit that. There is so much misuse in our governments though that it puts a bad taste in one's mouth. The Poll Tax you speak of, was there a legitimate need? Were people protesting just to protest? Certain taxes here are reasonable to me, others not so much.
Traditionally, local government in the UK is partly funded fron the so-called rates: an annual local charge levied on property: the bigger and more desirable the property, the higher the rates. Pretty fair as those who can afford mansions can afford the rates. The Community Charge (dubbed the Poll Tax) was to replace this with a flat rate per capita charge - thus hitting those worse off hardest. Needless to say, it was dropped and we still have the rates as the local taxation.

“Ignore the trolls”

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Since: Oct 08

Bristol, UK

#23043 Feb 16, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
BEAUTIFUL Spring day here too, El.
I know! aren't we a little naughty(:
looks like this story will 'RUN' for a while!!!
I don't think the guy has a leg to stand on.

“Ignore the trolls”

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Since: Oct 08

Bristol, UK

#23044 Feb 16, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Maggie was a hero over here. Not many of them around :) Have a great weekend El
Shows how perceptions differ - over here, Obama is seen as one of the best Presidents that the US has had in many a year. Amazing how the Atlantic can make such a difference to opinions.
Krypteia

Brighton, UK

#23045 Feb 16, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
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Traditionally, local government in the UK is partly funded fron the so-called rates: an annual local charge levied on property: the bigger and more desirable the property, the higher the rates. Pretty fair as those who can afford mansions can afford the rates. The Community Charge (dubbed the Poll Tax) was to replace this with a flat rate per capita charge - thus hitting those worse off hardest. Needless to say, it was dropped and we still have the rates as the local taxation.
i can see where your coming from just thought in principle the poll tax was a fair tax,but as you know all political parties like buggering up things that have always worked well to start with.
Krypteia

Brighton, UK

#23046 Feb 16, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Shows how perceptions differ - over here, Obama is seen as one of the best Presidents that the US has had in many a year. Amazing how the Atlantic can make such a difference to opinions.
Think that depends on your leanings tony,lol

“Towards Christmas.”

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Since: Dec 06

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#23047 Feb 16, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think the guy has a leg to stand on.
LOL

Denny says so too.

Personally, I think he fabricated his story,
and by doing so

he 'put his foot in it'(:

“Denny Crain”

Level 8

Since: Jan 11

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#23048 Feb 16, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting Tony, and thank you for your comment. It's enough to try to comprehend what US politicians do, to hear from the governed of other countries is always welcome. Example: your opinions of Obama and Hilary may be vastly different from my own.
As for your points:
1. Oh I recall that Falklands, and Afghanistan the first time. Americans tend to forget we supported Bin Laden there......look where that got us.
2. The same can be said for US policies and NAFTA. Up until about the '70s, early '80s maybe, we were a manufacturing driven economy. Sadly, no more. And all it's gotten us is mass produced cheap crap from China. Americans will no longer buy American because its too expensive.
3. She must have been a 'card carrying member, of the Republican Party here in the US.
4. Some form of tax is truly necessary. I will admit that. There is so much misuse in our governments though that it puts a bad taste in one's mouth. The Poll Tax you speak of, was there a legitimate need? Were people protesting just to protest? Certain taxes here are reasonable to me, others not so much.
The US didn't support Bin Laden. They supported the Afgans trying to overthrow the Soviets. The government and the unions are a big part of the reason our manufacturing is down. The unions put GM out of business. The average total wadge with benefits was $85 an hour while Toyota made in the states in a non union shop had a total of $35 an hour. Then throw in all the government rules and you drive the cost up even higher. We have the highest corporate tax in the world. Corporations do really pay tax it is just added to the cost of the product they sell so we don't compete on the world market.

“Denny Crain”

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#23049 Feb 16, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Traditionally, local government in the UK is partly funded fron the so-called rates: an annual local charge levied on property: the bigger and more desirable the property, the higher the rates. Pretty fair as those who can afford mansions can afford the rates. The Community Charge (dubbed the Poll Tax) was to replace this with a flat rate per capita charge - thus hitting those worse off hardest. Needless to say, it was dropped and we still have the rates as the local taxation.
We tax on the value of the property here in Texas. We have no state tax so many people are moving from high tax states like California and moving to Texas and Florida . I do like you Vat tax in that everyone pays it. 47% of the people pay no federal income tax at all so they don't care how high the tax rate is. The liberals call for a class warfare and say tax the rich because there are very few rich people and lots of lower and middle class voters. The top 5% pau 95% of the taxes. In California top earners pay 60% of their income. They can cut that about 14% by moving to Texas

“Denny Crain”

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#23050 Feb 16, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Shows how perceptions differ - over here, Obama is seen as one of the best Presidents that the US has had in many a year. Amazing how the Atlantic can make such a difference to opinions.
Obama is a great politician and a miserable president. He is know for voting present so he is never on the wrong side of an issue. When Bengazi was under attack he told Peneta do do what he had to do and then there was no more contact at all even though the attack lasted 7 hours. Then for 2 weeks he lied to the American people and said it was a spontaneous demonstration over a you tube film. He lied till well after the election. When he was a Senator he said Bush had spent 4 trillion dollars over 8 years. He called it un American and in 4 years he spent 6 trillon dollars. The federal reserve is buying our T bills. We are buying our own debt and printing more and more money. People wonder why gas is so high. A big part is the devaluation of our currency . By law we have to have a budget put forth from the president by a certain time. Obama has never done that and the Democrat controlled senate hasn't put forth a budget in 3 years. The Socialist in Europe have lots of government handouts and high taxes. Our Socialist have lots of government handouts and low taxes. We borrow half of what we spend and neither party want to raise everyones taxes or reduce spending. They want their cake and eat it too

“Hey, Sarge!”

Level 2

Since: Dec 10

The Milky Way

#23051 Feb 16, 2013
Well, it seems we can blame Obama over the meteor explosion over Russia! Heck, why stop there... human trafficking in Africa, global warming, dying bats, and the list goes on!
The president is basically a figure head. That is why he has a cabinet of advisors. Now, if you want to lay blame, start with the Congress, the Senate, and other agencies. They were voted in and haven't made a real decision in years!

The USA has rebuilt towns and villages in Afghan provinces only to have them blown up, AGAIN! That is one expensive mission!

My two cents...
Good day to all!

I had a burger recently. After, I could not figure out why I wanted oats, apples, a carrot, and a cube of sugar....
Krypteia

Brighton, UK

#23052 Feb 16, 2013
Problem with politics everyone sees things from different perspectives and can cause so much disharmony amongst friends and so on all because we all see and believe in different things in a different way, and everybody is right even if your left,lol
Sometimes it's best not to talk about it,especially me as I hate them all,lol

“ain't she sweet?”

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Since: Nov 10

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#23053 Feb 16, 2013
Krypteia wrote:
<quoted text>I actually admired her,her strength and determination and pure shear will put her heads above the creatures we have now festering in Westminster.I didn't agree with some policies and in the end I think she lost it mentally.
Tony's right about the poll tax but actually if done properly was a fair tax as everyone contributed,but it wasn't an individual tax in the end as you were liable for your spouse and other bit and bobs in it wasn't right.As for the likes of Blair and that thing he's married to,I just hope what go's round comes round.As for parliament now,I detest all politicians and couldn't careless if another Guy Fawlks came along,the only thing in my opinion this country has got to look up to is her most Britanic Majesty.
I suppose somewhere along the line most politicians may start off with the best of intentions and as time goes by they either get sucked into the high of greed & power, follow bad advice from the wrong people, or succumb to mental illness and they aging process. Maybe even a combination of all three.

If its supposed to be "....of the people, by the people and for the people" I guess sometimes the collective 'people' need to make their voice heard.

“ain't she sweet?”

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#23054 Feb 16, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>I know, for a fact,
that Magie T.. was intensely disliked in Ireland by many..
That's the interesting thing -- pols have one "world image" and then there's what they are like 'at home'.

“ain't she sweet?”

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#23055 Feb 16, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>Traditionally, local government in the UK is partly funded fron the so-called rates: an annual local charge levied on property: the bigger and more desirable the property, the higher the rates. Pretty fair as those who can afford mansions can afford the rates. The Community Charge (dubbed the Poll Tax) was to replace this with a flat rate per capita charge - thus hitting those worse off hardest. Needless to say, it was dropped and we still have the rates as the local taxation.
Similar to what Obama and Romney, Dems and Republicans have been fighting over here. I have a few chronic medical issues and cannot deduct the amounts I pay out of pocket; those with big money can take greater advantage to find loopholes to deduct vacation properties, luxury expenses, boars, cars, and certain earnings.

“ain't she sweet?”

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#23057 Feb 16, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>BEAUTIFUL Spring day here too, El.

I know! aren't we a little naughty(:

looks like this story will 'RUN' for a while!!!
Dang ladies!'Cause we are back in the 20s temp wise!

“ain't she sweet?”

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#23058 Feb 16, 2013
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>We tax on the value of the property here in Texas. We have no state tax so many people are moving from high tax states like California and moving to Texas and Florida . I do like you Vat tax in that everyone pays it. 47% of the people pay no federal income tax at all so they don't care how high the tax rate is. The liberals call for a class warfare and say tax the rich because there are very few rich people and lots of lower and middle class voters. The top 5% pau 95% of the taxes. In California top earners pay 60% of their income. They can cut that about 14% by moving to Texas
Oh Jesus f'ing Christ! Are you on the 47% again Denny? There are a whole lot of hard working people --- elderly, infirm, vets, underemployed -- grossly offended by that characterization and its highly misleading.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/04/09/4...

What about the corporations that make make obscene profits, send their money overseas and pay no taxes ? That is OK with you?

Combined our joint income has NEVER exceeded $120000 USD annually. I have between $7000 & $10000 in med expenses in any given year. The threshold is 7% for medical but only 2% for miscellaneous. That is ridiculous!

It was only since the RE crash that I was able to deduct ANY of my medical expenses. During that same time, the likes of Romney and Bill Gates & Clinton etc didn't not even have to claim speaking engagement fees - along with other income -- on their tax filings.

The US income tax system is in serious need of overhaul. The system is stacked in favor of the wealthy and if you say otherwise I say you're delusional.

I know my situation and that of some friends, I have friends & family who are small business owners. The 47% you speak of includes them & me because the US government and drafters of the tax code screw us in favor of those with big money.

“ain't she sweet?”

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#23059 Feb 16, 2013
Boomer7 wrote:
Well, it seems we can blame Obama over the meteor explosion over Russia! Heck, why stop there... human trafficking in Africa, global warming, dying bats, and the list goes on!
The president is basically a figure head. That is why he has a cabinet of advisors. Now, if you want to lay blame, start with the Congress, the Senate, and other agencies. They were voted in and haven't made a real decision in years!

The USA has rebuilt towns and villages in Afghan provinces only to have them blown up, AGAIN! That is one expensive mission!

My two cents...
Good day to all!

I had a burger recently. After, I could not figure out why I wanted oats, apples, a carrot, and a cube of sugar....
Did you have the sudden urge to pull an open sleigh ??

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