El's Kitchen

“Grab all the good”

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Since: Jul 10

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#22401 Jan 24, 2013
PFfff wrote:
anyway, snow is on the way for my area. winter has finally arrived and mother nature isnt messing around now. lol
Happy Weekend...
:))
You used the S word :) Keep warm

“Towards Spring”

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Since: Dec 06

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#22402 Jan 24, 2013
El & PFfft,

Thank you both for your replies
AND your valued opinions..

Interestingly, there's quite a controversial
case going on here just now,
about a father [72] who sexually abused his
daughter for a period of 10 years..

It went to court and just last week, he got
a 10 year SUSPENDED sentence,
and was allowed continuing bail ..
he walked away.!!!

There is a serious public outcry here
over it, people angrily expressed
their outrage in various ways,
marching etc.. contacting the Government, etc.
and it has gone back for review.

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

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#22403 Jan 24, 2013
PFfff wrote:
<quoted text>
well El looks and sounds better to me as Bora, so it probably will stick in my head that way. lol
actually El, i speak from my own experience and feel strongly on the subject because of it, and the worse part is the percentage of girls (in particular) of being sexually abused at some point in their young life is high enough to warrant a life sentence to Any abuser IMO. afterall it IS a life sentence, in a way, to that child. and because i have female grandchildren i feel even Stronger now in my views. so to me it IS a severe crime that Should have a life sentence automatically. we need as a society to protect our children, because the probability of these men changing their ways isnt high enough to make me feel comfortable in letting them out to possibly harm other children.
so if i sound blood thirsty its because i am and it about time others feel the same way with regards to the scum of the earth.
its our duty to protect our children, in any way legally possible and thats what im for - All the way! i say, to h*ll with these dirtbags..
I have been thinking about this conversation all morning PF..
thinking what I would do if it happened to any of mine.
There was an occasion one time when one of mine was threatened
in a different manner and I can tell you I didn't let it go
lightly. Like you would not believe.
Not that I am saying I regard mine as more important than other
people's children.
But what I would like to know is...what would YOU say is the answer..
once someone has served time and is now released into society?

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#22404 Jan 24, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
El & PFfft,
Thank you both for your replies
AND your valued opinions..
Interestingly, there's quite a controversial
case going on here just now,
about a father [72] who sexually abused his
daughter for a period of 10 years..
It went to court and just last week, he got
a 10 year SUSPENDED sentence,
and was allowed continuing bail ..
he walked away.!!!
There is a serious public outcry here
over it, people angrily expressed
their outrage in various ways,
marching etc.. contacting the Government, etc.
and it has gone back for review.
Grace..is that the case where the daughter became a Lawyer so she could sue her own father?

Would appreciate your views on the question I have thrown out to PF
if you wouldn't mind.

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

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#22405 Jan 24, 2013
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>It hasn't been that long ago that the age of consent for a girl was 12 :) Sounds strange today. Jerry Lee married his 13 year old cousin
True.'Morning Denny.

“Grab all the good”

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Since: Jul 10

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#22406 Jan 24, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
I have been thinking about this conversation all morning PF..
thinking what I would do if it happened to any of mine.
There was an occasion one time when one of mine was threatened
in a different manner and I can tell you I didn't let it go
lightly. Like you would not believe.
Not that I am saying I regard mine as more important than other
people's children.
But what I would like to know is...what would YOU say is the answer..
once someone has served time and is now released into society?
Sexual predators are repeat offenders

“Grab all the good”

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#22407 Jan 24, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
True.'Morning Denny.
Good morning El. I am feeling better today :)

“Grab all the good”

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#22410 Jan 24, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yay! Denny!! Did not want that cough turning into something worse.
Have a wonderful day.
I feel great and it is a warm day so I am going to hand out some flyers :)

“Cool huh?”

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#22411 Jan 24, 2013
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>Good morning El. I am feeling better today :)
Glad to hear it Denny.

Good Night, and 'Night to all who visit here.

“Towards Spring”

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Since: Dec 06

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#22412 Jan 24, 2013
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
Grace..is that the case where the daughter became a Lawyer so she could sue her own father?
Would appreciate your views on the question I have thrown out to PF
if you wouldn't mind.
NO El,
[but that WAS another v interesting case]

Here is the link to the recent one i spoke of,
and there have been developments today:

In reply to the question you put
forward..
and I preface it by saying that CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
is a most heinous crime [stating the obvious]

and I agree a VERY TIGHT rein MUST be kept
on the perpetrator .. as we know, this is
something an abuser is likely to return to.

but...
I believe if 'he/she' shows remorse,
and is prepared to go straight, yes,
they SHOULD be given that chance ..
having served a long sentence..

perhaps they HAVE reformed..

and where's the point in serving at all..
if, when it's over, they aren't allowed
live A sort of life, with a new beginning.
AND MOST DEFINITELY under serious supervision
by professionals NOT by 'media'
with DOLLAR signs before their eyes - who just
want to sell papers with sordid stories..

“Towards Spring”

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Since: Dec 06

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#22413 Jan 24, 2013
Here's the link I intended for above post
to El

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/...

“ROCK ON ROCKERS!!”

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Since: Mar 11

Rockin' USA ;)

#22414 Jan 24, 2013
El..going to bed soooo early??? Oh, ya must had Enzo helping ya with the baking again. Get some rest...Think I see Hippichick in the corner... Hey, Chick..let's have dome apple strudel.. and Hot French Roast coffee.
And chit chat a bit!!

“Towards Spring”

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Since: Dec 06

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#22415 Jan 24, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
As Denny mentioned, pedophiles are repeat offenders. There is no question. In most states, IL anyway, once released or paroled they have to register as sex offenders.
As the adage goes "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime". Some actions will haunt people their entire life. And rightly so in my opinion. Certain bad decisions are not 'mistakes',
Well..
With respect RMQ,
NO ONE here need inform us ...
We *ALL* know paedophiles are repeat offenders -

also,

they are requested to register HERE also!

I'm saying IF they do the time for a serious offense -
a LONG DRAWN OUT term, WHAT'S the use in doing a jail term at all..
if their life 'after' isn't given 'some' credence?

they mean to be rehabilitated - ever under
A WATCHFUL EYE.

“ain't she sweet?”

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Since: Nov 10

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#22416 Jan 24, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>Well..
With respect RMQ,
NO ONE here need inform us ...
We *ALL* know paedophiles are repeat offenders -

also,

they are requested to register HERE also!

I'm saying IF they do the time for a serious offense -
a LONG DRAWN OUT term, WHAT'S the use in doing a jail term at all..
if their life 'after' isn't given 'some' credence?

they mean to be rehabilitated - ever under
A WATCHFUL EYE.
My point, as Denny did before me, is that some are beyond 'rehabilitation'. Why should rapists and pedophiles and murderer have a "life after" paying their so called 'debt to society'? What about their debt to the person whose life they cut short or the rape victim or child who is scarred for life? How is their "life after" given credence?

The rapist, pedophile and murderer made their choices.....their victims had no choice.

“guess who Lois?”

Level 7

Since: Dec 06

A little hole in the wall.

#22417 Jan 24, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
Morning El..
Morning all...
I've said it before and I will again,
I agree with you here,
we ALL know [and you have said this too]
what ARMSTRONG is guilty of,
that he turned out to be a cheat, a 1st class liar,
a sneak etc.. we all read about it..
but, like you say, it is done & dusted..
his career is ruined before the whole world,
he got his just desserts and STILL people
are 'baying for blood'..
Interesting, it reminds me of a case here,
VERY DIFFERENT SUBJECT MATTER, granted, but,
the same in that 'the public won't let it go.
Tis about a paedophile who served every day of a LONG
sentence for his wrong doings..
when he was freed, the media and the public followed him EVERYWHERE,
they hounded him night and day, it was up for grabs,
where he lived now, where he was going to live permanently,
where he went, what he did,
on one occasion, he traveled by train,
media were at the rail stn. before he left and their media
mates were at the other end in a rural town waiting for
his arrival,
then he went abroad AND, yes, the media followed.
Yes, before anyone mentions it WE ALL KNOW the crime of paedophilia
but where's the point at all in someone serving a very long sentence
and not allowed to live 'any kind of life' when they emerge.
Interesting question of the pedo .... was his sentence enough?

The sad fact is that most predos reoffend ... is this a message from the public to ALL pedos, that if you commit such an offense it will haunt you for the rest of your life? Is that perhaps the additional deterrent beyond jail time, necessary to stop at least some pedos from commiting the crime?

“guess who Lois?”

Level 7

Since: Dec 06

A little hole in the wall.

#22418 Jan 24, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
NO El,
[but that WAS another v interesting case]
Here is the link to the recent one i spoke of,
and there have been developments today:
In reply to the question you put
forward..
and I preface it by saying that CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
is a most heinous crime [stating the obvious]
and I agree a VERY TIGHT rein MUST be kept
on the perpetrator .. as we know, this is
something an abuser is likely to return to.
but...
I believe if 'he/she' shows remorse,
and is prepared to go straight, yes,
they SHOULD be given that chance ..
having served a long sentence..
perhaps they HAVE reformed..
and where's the point in serving at all..
if, when it's over, they aren't allowed
live A sort of life, with a new beginning.
AND MOST DEFINITELY under serious supervision
by professionals NOT by 'media'
with DOLLAR signs before their eyes - who just
want to sell papers with sordid stories..
a very valid point ... what if the perp has indeed refoRmed and wOn't reoffend ..?

The system has a lot of cracks criminals can faLl thrOugh ... but how much is too much anD how much is not enough.?

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Since: Dec 06

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#22419 Jan 24, 2013
A joke before I slumber ....

I've always got on with my neighbors. That was until we had a black family move in next door. Suddenly everything changed. Doors were constantly being slammed, there was shouting and music was played at full blast into the small hours.
Despite trying all that, I still couldn't get that darn black family to move out.

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Since: Dec 06

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#22420 Jan 24, 2013
A lil Jokey before slumber

I've always got on with my neighbors. That was until we had a black family move in next door. Suddenly everything changed. Doors were constantly being slammed, there was shouting and music was played at full blast into the small hours.
Despite trying all that, I still couldn't get that dang black family to move out.

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#22421 Jan 25, 2013
Grace Nerissa wrote:
<quoted text>
NO El,
[but that WAS another v interesting case]
Here is the link to the recent one i spoke of,
and there have been developments today:
In reply to the question you put
forward..
and I preface it by saying that CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
is a most heinous crime [stating the obvious]
and I agree a VERY TIGHT rein MUST be kept
on the perpetrator .. as we know, this is
something an abuser is likely to return to.
but...
I believe if 'he/she' shows remorse,
and is prepared to go straight, yes,
they SHOULD be given that chance ..
having served a long sentence..
perhaps they HAVE reformed..
and where's the point in serving at all..
if, when it's over, they aren't allowed
live A sort of life, with a new beginning.
AND MOST DEFINITELY under serious supervision
by professionals NOT by 'media'
with DOLLAR signs before their eyes - who just
want to sell papers with sordid stories..
Thanks for the link Grace, and Good Morning.

Justice will prevail.

I believe we are 'on the same page' as our American
cousins would term it, we don't agree with ANYBODY
being hounded...either by the media or by the general public.

On a different note, I do regret thinking along the lines I did,
when Osama Bin Laden was publically humiliated. Suffice he was
caught and paid for his sins.

Afraid I won't be posting so much in the future, but I will keep in
touch.

“Cool huh?”

Since: Jun 06

Location hidden

#22422 Jan 25, 2013
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
My point, as Denny did before me, is that some are beyond 'rehabilitation'. Why should rapists and pedophiles and murderer have a "life after" paying their so called 'debt to society'? What about their debt to the person whose life they cut short or the rape victim or child who is scarred for life? How is their "life after" given credence?
The rapist, pedophile and murderer made their choices.....their victims had no choice.
As you say...'SOME are beyond rehabilitation'...

can we generalise then.

And the severity of the crime plays a great part in it all.

Speaking as one who comes under the category of 'scarred for life'.

Yet fortunately, I maintain a humane approach to anybody who has
paid his dues, and attempts to lead a normal decent life.

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