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#20750 Dec 30, 2012
Wildbluerose wrote:
LMAO!!!! over here...
I had to laugh at the way what I wrote sounded... That's me... Typing without a filter again...hahahahaha

I thought that RMQuinn37 and the folks who visit Your kitchen might enjoy that poem.. I'm glad you liked it..
I'm the worst when it comes to going out on the roads in bad weather.. so I end up using my Passenger Brake A Lot!!!
;o)
((HUGSBACKATCHA))
@}-'--,---
I did enjoy the Carl Sandberg poem. Made me think and try to remember what else I've read of his.

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#20751 Dec 30, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>'Trees' has a special place in my heart.
It was my Grandmother's favourite.....
Did you know that Joyce Kilmer was a man?
Google his background. Very interesting.

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#20752 Dec 30, 2012
Okay folks. We have hashed through gun control and global warming with a side of politics. Denny, I am sure you are smart enough to find that thread you are comfortable with. I approached this area because we are in someone's kitchen! And, with all due respect, there are certain elements that I leave at the door mat before entering. I have made my various points and really don't need to elaborate.
There are times opinions need to be left where they are, inside.
Our local thread in Columbus, Ohio is so full of hate and venom, I don't respond.
Now, if you have issues, go to sites that are more than willing to embrace what you think and leave the kitchen as wholesome!
MHO!

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#20753 Dec 30, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>My point El is the media is extremely liberal. If Obama and Bush ever did they exact same thing the media would overlook Obama's actions and condemn Bush's action. In Katrina the governor who was a Democrat has to request help from the federal government. The President can not just send in the National guard. What was ignored is the Mayor of New Orleans was a Democrat who had direct responsibility for his city and the Governor who was also a Democrat had responsibility for the State. The mayor could have used the city school buses to get people out of there. The buses were left to be buried in the flood waters
Oh please! Mitch McConnell flat out said in the first election he wanted Obama to be a one term president and the repubs would Not whirl Obama one iota ---- and they haven't to the detriment of the American people and our economy so it wasn't the 'liberal media' that blew that up, we all heard it at his press conference.

Remember from the other thread we've been on did not vote for Obama the first time and refused to vote this past November. I have no interest or use for him, but I am sick and tired and vehemently opposed to the republicans who have cheated and lied to and scr*wed over women minorities and the average American who isn't a corporate exec or billionaire. I hold every last one if them in great contempt.

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#20754 Dec 30, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>GE who paid no income tax were major contributors to Obama. We will never have a simple fair tax because politicians need campaign money to run for office. As long as they can manipulate the tax codes they have something to sell to their supporters. What is called a loophole is the law and was put there by someone for a price
So then go complain about them instead of the guy trying to raise a family a four on minimum wage and doesn't pay fed income tax because he is living below the poverty level.

Can't have it both ways. Can't complain about the welfare queens or senior citizens and not talk about the billion dollar corps.

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#20755 Dec 30, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>It was wonderful I am sure my friend :)Dickie's makes great BBQ :) They are very big in Dallas. They have great onion rings too
Not sure how long it's been a franchise but I'm they arrived in south suburban Chicago. Food was very good -- pulled pork, mac&cheese and potato casserole. Excellent BBQ sauce!!

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#20756 Dec 30, 2012
Boomer7 wrote:
Okay folks. We have hashed through gun control and global warming with a side of politics. Denny, I am sure you are smart enough to find that thread you are comfortable with. I approached this area because we are in someone's kitchen! And, with all due respect, there are certain elements that I leave at the door mat before entering. I have made my various points and really don't need to elaborate.
There are times opinions need to be left where they are, inside.
Our local thread in Columbus, Ohio is so full of hate and venom, I don't respond.
Now, if you have issues, go to sites that are more than willing to embrace what you think and leave the kitchen as wholesome!
MHO!
Denny and I --- with a side of Tony thrown in for good measure --- are not spewing hate or venom and presumably hold no ill will towards each other --- I surely do not --- we are passionate in our beliefs and opinions. I don't believe insults have been thrown or hard feelings felt. Denny? Tony? Agree, disagree?

My apologies for having offended or made you feel uncomfortable in the kitchen Bloomer. I did not mean to do so.

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Saint Neots, UK

#20757 Dec 30, 2012
eleanorigby wrote:
<quoted text>
Cutting in Tony, I see a number of council leaders have warned the government that proposed benefit cuts here may cause civil unrest.
It isn't surprising if those people will have less income but still no jobs. Would appreciate your opinion....
I am slso very perplexed as to how one journalist in my newspaper, considers the liberal party to blame for the recent crimes, naming that of the 68 yr. old church organist been murdered on his way to play the organ at Midnight Mass. How can one party be to blame?
I wish I could come up with a smart answer to this one. On the one hand, I believe any civilised developed society should have a safety net to support those in need. However, how far does that safety net extend in times of austerity? I'm sure Beveridge did not envisage the welfare state providing fridges, freezers, TVs, DVD players etc - yet all of these can now be claimed by families on welfare. Clothes, yes, housing, of course, food, it goes without saying. But TVs? Is a person going to die without a TV? The vast majority are having to tighten their (our!) belts, why should those on benefits be exempt? Personally, I like the idea of food stamps rather than money as they do in the USA.

Too often I see on other threads the view that a political party is responsible for crime. The most stupid was a suggestion that Obama was using Connecticut to mask Benghazi. Without seeing the article, can't really react as unsure what the journalist is trying to say.

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#20758 Dec 30, 2012
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>Not sure how long it's been a franchise but I'm they arrived in south suburban Chicago. Food was very good -- pulled pork, mac&cheese and potato casserole. Excellent BBQ sauce!!
****I'm glad,

Typos abound since using my phone :(

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#20759 Dec 30, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>I wish I could come up with a smart answer to this one. On the one hand, I believe any civilised developed society should have a safety net to support those in need. However, how far does that safety net extend in times of austerity? I'm sure Beveridge did not envisage the welfare state providing fridges, freezers, TVs, DVD players etc - yet all of these can now be claimed by families on welfare. Clothes, yes, housing, of course, food, it goes without saying. But TVs? Is a person going to die without a TV? The vast majority are having to tighten their (our!) belts, why should those on benefits be exempt? Personally, I like the idea of food stamps rather than money as they do in the USA.

Too often I see on other threads the view that a political party is responsible for crime. The most stupid was a suggestion that Obama was using Connecticut to mask Benghazi. Without seeing the article, can't really react as unsure what the journalist is trying to say.
I agree that to blame one political party or another for such criminal activities is outrageous and an excuse. It's like blaming musicians or actors.

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#20760 Dec 30, 2012
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>The castle was Bramber. The river was tidal and just west of Brighton. The amount of water is constant. It may be ice, vapor or liquid. The only increase in sea level would be ice that is over land melting and running into the sea
Ah, the River Adur, which was navigable up to Steyning in Norman times. That has silted up over time, which is true for many of the old ports. Also, the size of ships in Norman times was much smaller: by 1400, they were increasing in both draught and length, with a result that many ports ceased to be suitable for them (Lostwithiel on the Fowey is an example - it was a thriving port in 1200 and the administrative centre for Cornwall; by 1450, ships could no longer reach it). As ships ceased to use rivers, they silted up as nothing passed to stir up the sediment. In the last 100 years, the upper reaches of the Tamar (from Calstock onwards) have suffered from this. I can't find any references to suggest sea levels have altered much since 1066.

Of course you are right about the amount of water - however, its conversion from ice to water is the worry as this has the impact of raising sea levels.

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#20761 Dec 30, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
They can, but their area of habitation is the arctic, where the ice cap is what constitutes most of the "dry land". They are found in northern Canada, which there is land land (if that doesn't sound Irish - pace GN) and their main area is the ice flows, which are reducing significantly.
That's why I mentioned the status of the ice cap. Polar bears' main prey is the arctic seals. Habitat change means changes and stress. Adaption to land-based prey is stressful, and puts them in competition with grizzlies. Watched PBS "Nature" (associated with the science journal "Nature") about this. And from:

http://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildli...

As climate change melts sea ice, the U.S. Geological Survey projects that two thirds of polar bears will disappear by 2050. This dramatic decline in the polar bear is occurring in our lifetime, which is but a miniscule fraction of the time polar bears have roamed the vast Arctic seas.

Rapid Arctic ice melt in 2011:

Arctic sea ice extent for January 2011 was the lowest in the satellite record for that month.
The winter's maximum Arctic sea ice extent tied for the lowest on record. The year saw the second lowest Arctic ice levels since 1979 when observation began.
A female polar bear reportedly swam for nine days - nonstop-across the Beaufort Sea before reaching an ice floe, costing her 22 percent of her weight and her cub.

In southern portions of their range, like Hudson Bay, Canada, there is no sea ice during the summer, and the polar bears must live on land until the Bay freezes in the fall, whereupon they can again hunt on the ice. While on land during the summer, these bears eat little or nothing.

In just 20 years the ice-free period in Hudson Bay has increased by an average of 20 days, cutting short polar bears' seal hunting season by nearly three weeks. The ice is freezing later in the fall, but it is the earlier spring ice melt that is especially difficult for the bears. They have a narrower timeframe in which to hunt during the critical season when seal pups are born. As a result, average bear weight has dropped by 15 percent, causing reproduction rates to decline. The Hudson Bay population is down more than 20 percent.

The retreat of ice has implications beyond the obvious habitat loss. Remaining ice is farther from shore, making it less accessible. The larger gap of open water between the ice and land also contributes to rougher wave conditions, making the bears’ swim from shore to sea ice more hazardous.

In 2004, biologists discovered four drowned polar bears in the Beaufort Sea, and suspect the actual number of drowned bears may have been considerably greater. Never before observed, biologists attributed the drowning to a combination of retreating ice and rougher seas.

Exacerbating the problems of the loss of hunting areas, it is expected that the shrinking polar ice cap will also cause a decline in polar bears’ prey -- seals. The reduction in ice platforms near productive areas for the fish that the seals eat affects their nutritional status and reproduction rates.

Polar bears are going hungry for longer periods of time, resulting in cannibalistic behavior. Although it has long been known polar bears will kill for dominance or kill cubs so they can breed with the female, outright predation for food was previously unobserved by biologists.

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#20762 Dec 30, 2012
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
Denny and I --- with a side of Tony thrown in for good measure --- are not spewing hate or venom and presumably hold no ill will towards each other --- I surely do not --- we are passionate in our beliefs and opinions. I don't believe insults have been thrown or hard feelings felt. Denny? Tony? Agree, disagree?
My apologies for having offended or made you feel uncomfortable in the kitchen Bloomer. I did not mean to do so.
I would suggest the difference here is that we discuss matters without the rancour, insults and childishness displayed on some other threads. I appreciate the old saying about not discussing religion, sex and politics in bars, but if this turned into a kitchen where we could not chat about everything and anything, I would frequent it less.

Imo, there is nothing wrong with different points of view and a discussion, assuming that discussion remains civil.

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#20763 Dec 30, 2012
Boomer7 wrote:
Okay folks. We have hashed through gun control and global warming with a side of politics. Denny, I am sure you are smart enough to find that thread you are comfortable with. I approached this area because we are in someone's kitchen! And, with all due respect, there are certain elements that I leave at the door mat before entering. I have made my various points and really don't need to elaborate.
There are times opinions need to be left where they are, inside.
Our local thread in Columbus, Ohio is so full of hate and venom, I don't respond.
Now, if you have issues, go to sites that are more than willing to embrace what you think and leave the kitchen as wholesome!
MHO!
I feel ya Boomer. There are several threads in Offbeat that are based on such topics and politics, and politics are injected in quite a few others, some of which I'll participate in various frequency. What's more, Denny Crain has "his thread" for his indulgence.

At some point after observations about the human condition and some factors of those, or the status of life's desires and tribulations with some facts thrown in ...

well, like that Topix Politics question at the top of the forum a few days ago: Do you interject and discuss nitty-gritty down-and-dirty politics in conversations during the holiday dinner get-togethers?

--- the inflationary value of 2 cents I do not know, but there it is.

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#20764 Dec 30, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>I would suggest the difference here is that we discuss matters without the rancour, insults and childishness displayed on some other threads. I appreciate the old saying about not discussing religion, sex and politics in bars, but if this turned into a kitchen where we could not chat about everything and anything, I would frequent it less.

Imo, there is nothing wrong with different points of view and a discussion, assuming that discussion remains civil.
Pleased to know you Tony. There's an exchange of ideas where it's possible to agree to disagree. Insults are uncalled for --- hence a while back someone insulted Denny because of his opinion on guns. I don't hold Denny's opinion, but he's entitled to it nonetheless and calling him nasty names is just not right.

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#20765 Dec 30, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
I wish I could come up with a smart answer to this one. On the one hand, I believe any civilised developed society should have a safety net to support those in need. However, how far does that safety net extend in times of austerity? I'm sure Beveridge did not envisage the welfare state providing fridges, freezers, TVs, DVD players etc - yet all of these can now be claimed by families on welfare. Clothes, yes, housing, of course, food, it goes without saying. But TVs? Is a person going to die without a TV? The vast majority are having to tighten their (our!) belts, why should those on benefits be exempt? Personally, I like the idea of food stamps rather than money as they do in the USA.
Too often I see on other threads the view that a political party is responsible for crime. The most stupid was a suggestion that Obama was using Connecticut to mask Benghazi. Without seeing the article, can't really react as unsure what the journalist is trying to say.
I'm out of time, but I have been thinking about the safety net vis-a-vis social services AND the neighborhood/district charities back in the day upon watching the Christmas "Call The Midwife" Special this very evening (viewed the first season here this fall). Fancying some kind of power relative to the ghost of Christopher(Bob) Marley and Clarence the Christmas Angel (It's A Wonderful Life movie).

Might re-visit this another day.

Good night all ... and , good luck.

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#20766 Dec 30, 2012
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>I feel ya Boomer. There are several threads in Offbeat that are based on such topics and politics, and politics are injected in quite a few others, some of which I'll participate in various frequency. What's more, Denny Crain has "his thread" for his indulgence.

At some point after observations about the human condition and some factors of those, or the status of life's desires and tribulations with some facts thrown in ...

well, like that Topix Politics question at the top of the forum a few days ago: Do you interject and discuss nitty-gritty down-and-dirty politics in conversations during the holiday dinner get-togethers?

--- the inflationary value of 2 cents I do not know, but there it is.
Actually we did discuss the down and dirty .......... getting to Sandy Hook, guns and this country's lack of discussion about and for the mentally ill. I'm not bringing this up here again to rehash the topic, merely answering your question that yes such topics were discussed at my family holiday gathering.......and no one drew blood, we were enlightened.

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#20767 Dec 30, 2012
Deer Whisperer wrote:
<quoted text>I'm out of time, but I have been thinking about the safety net vis-a-vis social services AND the neighborhood/district charities back in the day upon watching the Christmas "Call The Midwife" Special this very evening (viewed the first season here this fall). Fancying some kind of power relative to the ghost of Christopher(Bob) Marley and Clarence the Christmas Angel (It's A Wonderful Life movie).

Might re-visit this another day.

Good night all ... and , good luck.
Here's to a healthy happy new year for you & the clan Deer Whisperer. Wedding plans will soon abound!

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#20768 Dec 31, 2012
RMQuinn37 wrote:
<quoted text>
Kung Fu with David Carradine...was that black & white? Remember Wild Wild West with I think it was Robert Conrad?
Westerns? The only one I can think of now is the Lone Ranger ...... Bonanza wasn't really a western was it?
Kung Foo was from the 70's .. in colour Grasshopper!!!

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#20769 Dec 31, 2012
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Denny, ice is reducing EVERYWHERE - that is why yachts now sail the North West passage without having to use ice-breaking equipment. Here is one example:
http://www.openpassageexpedition.com/
It is a scientific impossibility for sea levels to rise without the melting of ice - the amount of water cannot remain the same.
Ozone holes over the arctic and antartic areas are very real, not bogus: here is one example of them:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/oc... .
I'm curious as to which castle you refer - in most cases, the silting up process is what causes a river to be less significant, not a drop in oceanic levels. Obviously, without knowing to which of the multitude of castles you refer, I can't make a comment.
Btw, research in UK universities is completely separate from the UK government and whilst they do provide some research funding, it would be paranoid to suggest this is for a political agenda - absolutely no evidence to substantiate that claim.
Actually, if water levels were to rise, the river would appear to be wider near the mouth, and if ocean water levels were to lower the river would appear to be narrower near the mouth. hoWeVER, UP RIVER WHERE THIER IS NO OCEAN INFLUENCE, THE WIDTH Of THE RIVER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OCEAN LEVELS.

I live at the mouth of a fairly significant river, the Fraser River ... three of the bridges here are over 1.5 KM long to pass over it ... there are pylons there they tie up the log booms which float down the river from the logging areas... those pylons are a good indicator of how high or lower the river levels are due to the tide (so I have observed this widening and narrowing effect)... SO FAR i DON'T SEE ANY NOTICABLE CHANGE IN WATER LEVELS ....

Our province just finished a report talking about what it would cost to raise the dykes in preparation for the water levels in 50 to 100 years from now ... many billions of dollars would be spent. My house would be flooded if those dykes were not raised in time!!! Maybe I will sell and move uphill a bit!!!

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