Edward Snowden--hero or traitor?

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#67 Jun 17, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
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You're right,(you) can't make this shyte up!!
Hey all you have to do is listen to the news and all the political spew to know that it doesn't look good for the Reps.
I didn't make it up it's out there.
I personally would want an Independent like (me) to run.
You're also right I don't know all the ones who will run but the ones there are trying to put up on that pedestal will never make it.
Just saying....
I don't know much about his views, right now, but I think Christie might have cross party appeal, and there have been indications he's going to run. We really need someone who can bridge divides, too.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/...

Hillary would be better than Obama too, IMO, and I liked Bill Clinton's Presidency. She is kind of a polarizing figure, tho, and the whole State Department thing doesn't exactly reflect positively on her.

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#68 Jun 17, 2013
I do't think our government will let us know all the facts.

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#69 Jun 17, 2013
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Rick Perry, Texas..is mad because he wants more money from Fema.
I thought Reps were against government help.
They all need to hush about Women, they just keep putting their foots in their mouth.
Cheney is now saying this Snowden guy is a spy for China...
It goes on and on and on..........
And now they have other problems - infighting.

Seems the old guard and the new guard have much different agendas.

http://www.dailynewscrunch.com/politics/frict...

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#70 Jun 17, 2013
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I don't know much about his views, right now, but I think Christie might have cross party appeal, and there have been indications he's going to run. We really need someone who can bridge divides, too.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/06/...
Hillary would be better than Obama too, IMO, and I liked Bill Clinton's Presidency. She is kind of a polarizing figure, tho, and the whole State Department thing doesn't exactly reflect positively on her.
I like Christie but....His mouth would get him in trouble. the unemployment in his state is over 10 %, Property taxes are out of control and he takes from the poor and gives to the rich. With women voters being 64% in the last election I don't think he'll do good with Womens Health Issues..

He's going to run but even his own party doesn't like him.

As for Hillary, by the time the vote comes around most ppl will have forgotten because the Rep have been on the witch hunt for her and Obama for so long ppl are tired of it.

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#71 Jun 17, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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And now they have other problems - infighting.
Seems the old guard and the new guard have much different agendas.
http://www.dailynewscrunch.com/politics/frict...
They have about 3 parties rolled into one and it's not working..

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#72 Jun 17, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
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ppl are tired of it.
You damn right I'm tired of Obama & Hillary and have been for 8 years and I've given up on the Republicans so that leaves room for a 3rd party.

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#73 Jun 18, 2013
"so that leaves room for a 3rd party."

Yeah, your kind of 3rd party - three goats in tutus and a couple party hats.

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#74 Jun 18, 2013
Gota start somewhere.

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#75 Jun 18, 2013
WASHINGTON (AP) The director of the National Security Agency said Tuesday the government's sweeping surveillance programs have foiled some 50 terrorist plots worldwide, including one directed at the New York Stock Exchange, in a forceful defense of the spy operations.

http://news.yahoo.com/nsa-director-says-plot-...

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#76 Jun 18, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
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You damn right I'm tired of Obama & Hillary and have been for 8 years and I've given up on the Republicans so that leaves room for a 3rd party.
Obama hasn't been Prez for 8 yrs.

Are you drinking today? lol

I have an idea, why don't we start an Independent party. That why we don't have to kiss (R) or (D) butts.

We'll talk common sense instead of all the political fast talk.

What do you think?

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#77 Jun 18, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
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Obama hasn't been Prez for 8 yrs.
Are you drinking today? lol
I have an idea, why don't we start an Independent party. That why we don't have to kiss (R) or (D) butts.
We'll talk common sense instead of all the political fast talk.
What do you think?
I think he's been sniffin' goat manure too long - it's affected his concept of time and space.

On a related note however, if the majority of teabaggers are fed up with their party's offerings - I wonder who is left out there to actually make a non-hilarious candidate?

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#78 Jun 18, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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I think he's been sniffin' goat manure too long - it's affected his concept of time and space.
On a related note however, if the majority of teabaggers are fed up with their party's offerings - I wonder who is left out there to actually make a non-hilarious candidate?
Nobody because they all make me laugh..:)

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#79 Jun 19, 2013
HH said:
You damn right I'm tired of Obama & Hillary and have been for 8 years and I've given up on the Republicans so that leaves room for a 3rd party.

OK OC 'i' stand corrected, 6 years. It's M69's fault 'i' said 8. LOL

Oc said:
Obama hasn't been Prez for 8 yrs.

Are you drinking today? lol

I have an idea, why don't we start an Independent party. That why (way)* we don't have to kiss (R) or (D) butts.
*'i' got around that by voting for Ron Paul.
Please - no reply - it was a protest* vote - but he'd still have made a better president than Mitt or Barry!
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We'll talk common sense instead of all the political fast talk.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/us/politics...

OC said:
I wonder who is left out there to actually make a non-hilarious candidate?
I'm currently contemplating a Paul-Palin consideration.
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Yes 'i'm serious! "WE" can't do worse than what "WE" got.
Shut up milwaukee69!

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#80 Jun 19, 2013
Edward Snowden--hero or traitor?

by the way IMO he's both!

We've had others in 'history' that were also.

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#81 Jun 19, 2013
Today's traitor, tomorrow's hero?

Wednesday, June 19, 2013



These are tricky times. One man's hero can be another man's traitor.
For example, if I were an IRS manager in Cincinnati, I may feel like someone who revealed unethical investigation techniques was a traitor. Other folks see the whistle blower as a hero.
Likewise if I had been taped wearing Mr. Spock ears while playing at Star Trek, I may find it difficult to view the person who leaked this recording to the media a traitor. Other Americans call that person a hero.
These cases are black and white for most of us. We support the whistle blower because, well, to be honest, no one really likes the IRS. It is easy to condemn those who committed the excesses while we praise the people who stepped forward with the information.
It gets a little more complex when you delve into the shenanigans of the Department of Justice. Is it right to spy on the media or is it just what the media deserves? We value the principle of an unbridled media but cringe when the media goes to excess. I am pretty sure the whistle blower in the Justice Department is not Eric Holder's idea of a hero.
Then there is the case of Mr. Edward Snowden who has been identified as the source for news reports on National Security Agency spying.
Rep. John Boehner said there is no doubt in his mind: Snowden is a traitor. "The disclosure of this information puts Americans at risk. It shows our adversaries what our capabilities are. And it's a giant violation of the law," he said.
Did Snowden violate the law? Yes, as the law is written and that is the question. Is it improper to violate an improper law?
American patriots violated the law in what history has judged to be a righteous cause.
Freedom marchers in the 1960s violated obviously immoral segregation laws and history has judged them to be heroes.
Nazis blindly obeyed the horrendous racial laws of the Third Reich, executing millions while others who opposed those laws were judged as traitors and executed. History has judged the violators of those laws as heroes and the law abiding Nazis as monsters.
And what of Edward Snowden? True, he fled to China, a nation not known to be overly friendly to the U. S., but that is not an admission of guilt.
Is Snowden a traitor or a hero for blowing the whistle on a suspect surveillance program?
Snowden said, "I'm neither traitor nor hero. I'm an American."
It may be history will be the best judge.
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#82 Jun 19, 2013
*'i' got around that by voting for Ron Paul.

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#83 Jun 19, 2013
NO.

A third party just means that it would take 34% of the vote instead of 50.1% A better idea would be a reasonable party to replace the GOP as they self destruct and slither into the Tea Party of the 3 million Fox viewers.

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#84 Jun 19, 2013
Hoosier Hillbilly wrote:
HH said:
You damn right I'm tired of Obama & Hillary and have been for 8 years and I've given up on the Republicans so that leaves room for a 3rd party.
OK OC 'i' stand corrected, 6 years. It's M69's fault 'i' said 8. LOL
Oc said:
Obama hasn't been Prez for 8 yrs.
Are you drinking today? lol
I have an idea, why don't we start an Independent party. That why (way)* we don't have to kiss (R) or (D) butts.
*'i' got around that by voting for Ron Paul.
Please - no reply - it was a protest* vote - but he'd still have made a better president than Mitt or Barry!
* solemn declaration of opinion and usually of dissent
We'll talk common sense instead of all the political fast talk.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/11/us/politics...
OC said:
I wonder who is left out there to actually make a non-hilarious candidate?
I'm currently contemplating a Paul-Palin consideration.
*=* Doc the 2nd and the Bulldog *=*
Yes 'i'm serious! "WE" can't do worse than what "WE" got.
Shut up milwaukee69!
Paul/Palin....no thanks....to crazy for me..

Hey HH,

They recently did a poll asking random ppl about politics.
When ask who was some of the high ranking Dems the answer was Obama, Hillary, Biden. When ask about the Rep. side the answer was..Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Rielly. That my friend is sad...
and speaks volumes about the R party.....

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#85 Jun 19, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> Paul/Palin....no thanks....to crazy for me..
Hey HH,
They recently did a poll asking random ppl about politics.
When ask who was some of the high ranking Dems the answer was Obama, Hillary, Biden. When ask about the Rep. side the answer was..Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Rielly. That my friend is sad...
and speaks volumes about the R party.....
May speak more about the source of the poll and the people that were surveyed.

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#86 Jun 19, 2013
dragoon70056 wrote:
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May speak more about the source of the poll and the people that were surveyed.
You pulling my pigtails???

Did you watch O'Rielly last night where they went to that Unniversity wanted ppl to sign a paper to listen in on Fox News ppl.? Of course it was a joke but 16 out of 18 were against Fox.

Foxes reply was children in kindergarden are taught to be left as in Dems..and throughtout school.

Come on,,,,really? I can't even believe that was said...

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