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The Bible doesn't say how Cain killed Abel, only that he did
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I also saw a movie - "Gandhi."
It was about a leader who defeated the British Empire without firing a a single shot.
20 mil Indians were murdered in the process.

"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." Mahatma Gandhi

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info:Cain and Abel (Hebrew: &#1492;&#1462;&#14 89;&#1462;&#1500; ... rejected Cain's sacrifice, Cain slew his brother in a fit of ... real name is Cain and he accidentally killed his brother Abel with a stone.

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info: Genesis 4:8 Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out ...
The Targum of Jonathan is,"he fixed a stone in his forehead, and slew him;''and so the Jews say (o) elsewhere: our poet (p)... Cain slew Abel, his own brother,

depends on what version one reads and believes

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uri wrote:
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20 mil Indians were murdered in the process.
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest." Mahatma Gandhi
the issue of freedom was over SALT.... like tea to the USA

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Martial law can and will supersede Civil rights, Habius's Corpus<sp>,(Right to appear before a civil judge), Transportation, and utilities. All services commonly provided by the state will be taken over by federal troops.
With the adoption of that bill that recently got signed into law, the POTUS can declare it for the flimsiest of reasons. Our rights are gone, they just haven't pushed the issue yet. If they decide to move, it will be at squad strength, and without mercy.
See Katrina gun confiscations on youtube if you don't believe it.

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I can see why these people deflect and misconscrew everything to suit their own purposes. Obama can say: "Gun control" and they *hear* "...gun confiscation..." so they can go all crazy for nothing. Well, not for nothing. Jacking the price of guns and ammo does some people some good.

Maybe they never wear hearing protection on the range?

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Martial law can and will supersede Civil rights, Habius's Corpus<sp>,(Right to appear before a civil judge), Transportation, and utilities. All services commonly provided by the state will be taken over by federal troops.
With the adoption of that bill that recently got signed into law, the POTUS can declare it for the flimsiest of reasons. Our rights are gone, they just haven't pushed the issue yet. If they decide to move, it will be at squad strength, and without mercy.
See Katrina gun confiscations on youtube if you don't believe it.
Should the Government be so foolish as to begin allmit will take is just a few instances and all he11 could break loose. Lets hope cooler SMARTER heads prevail.

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Eisenhower used Martial law :

In 1957, Dwight D. Eisenhower is president. He had been the top U.S. general in World War II. Dwight Eisenhower expects orders to be obeyed.

President Eisenhower warns Governor Faubus that he'll send U.S. troops to Little Rock. Integration is the law and it will be enforced.

The day after the mob takes over Central High, the president orders soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock. Melba also gets a personal message from the president. He says that she and the other black students will be protected at Central High.

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better remember this 2nd amend. is a copy of the identical Article of the Magna Carta ... of England....
the quote are after the bill of rights were drafted , but not approved until 1787-89...
So, are the opinions of the great and mighty Supreme Court not used to validate or invalidate laws, interpret or refine laws. They are just opinions after all, some even dating back hundreds of years, but the accumulated "wisdom" of the judges is utilized to formulate the interpretation of the laws of the land.
If so, then would not the accumulated writings of our forefathers in regards to the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States have some bearing on the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.Or should we just ignore their words, after all, they are ancient and have no relevancy to the life we face today. Why not just scrap the whole worthless document and write something more relevant, something with a beat, something with soul, something that really speaks to the people today.

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tallyho wrote:
Eisenhower used Martial law :
In 1957, Dwight D. Eisenhower is president. He had been the top U.S. general in World War II. Dwight Eisenhower expects orders to be obeyed.
President Eisenhower warns Governor Faubus that he'll send U.S. troops to Little Rock. Integration is the law and it will be enforced.
The day after the mob takes over Central High, the president orders soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock. Melba also gets a personal message from the president. He says that she and the other black students will be protected at Central High.
Limited use and used to ENFORCE a Constitutional issue-equal rights. Not to usurp the Constitution by voiding a Constitutional right by Fiat.....

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REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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So, are the opinions of the great and mighty Supreme Court not used to validate or invalidate laws, interpret or refine laws. They are just opinions after all, some even dating back hundreds of years, but the accumulated "wisdom" of the judges is utilized to formulate the interpretation of the laws of the land.
If so, then would not the accumulated writings of our forefathers in regards to the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States have some bearing on the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment.Or should we just ignore their words, after all, they are ancient and have no relevancy to the life we face today. Why not just scrap the whole worthless document and write something more relevant, something with a beat, something with soul, something that really speaks to the people today.
don't be silly ....the constitution dealt with the rights of the individual.... the only crime at the time of the Constitution was treason we no longer need a state militia , outdated

with the evolutions in arms . we need re-definement and control

but we have not lost one right , not one

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okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Limited use and used to ENFORCE a Constitutional issue-equal rights. Not to usurp the Constitution by voiding a Constitutional right by Fiat.....
rog that , this isn't 7 days in May here.... not even the crotch can usurp the system

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tallyho wrote:
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don't be silly ....the constitution dealt with the rights of the individual.... the only crime at the time of the Constitution was treason we no longer need a state militia , outdated
with the evolutions in arms . we need re-definement and control
but we have not lost one right , not one
Dodging the question I see. Are the OPINIONS of the Supreme Court of the land not used to legalize laws of the land. Are the OPINIONS of the Supreme Court not used to modify the laws of the land. Are the OPINIONS of the Supreme Court of the land not used to strike down laws of the land. So, would not the OPINIONS of the founding fathers, whether before or after the creation of the Constitution of the United States be of some value in determining the intent of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
Treason was not the only crime during the creation of the Constitution of the United States. Otherwise, there would be no need for more than a one paragraph Constitution. We need a CIVILIAN militia to remind those in Washington that we are not serfs, we are free men. As long as the government has arms, the citizens need comparable arms.

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REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
We need a CIVILIAN militia to remind those in Washington that we are not serfs, we are free men. As long as the government has arms, the citizens need comparable arms.
Agreed.

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So, like the Bible, is the Constitution a collection of purposefully vague parables designed to be interpreted as anyone might see fit?

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No I think the phrase "shall not be infringed" is clear as crystal.

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REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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Dodging the question I see. Are the OPINIONS of the Supreme Court of the land not used to legalize laws of the land. Are the OPINIONS of the Supreme Court not used to modify the laws of the land. Are the OPINIONS of the Supreme Court of the land not used to strike down laws of the land. So, would not the OPINIONS of the founding fathers, whether before or after the creation of the Constitution of the United States be of some value in determining the intent of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.
Treason was not the only crime during the creation of the Constitution of the United States. Otherwise, there would be no need for more than a one paragraph Constitution. We need a CIVILIAN militia to remind those in Washington that we are not serfs, we are free men. As long as the government has arms, the citizens need comparable arms.
please you have been this route several times before the United States Supreme Court deals with civil rights ,

the individual's right not law ....

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tallyho wrote:
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please you have been this route several times before the United States Supreme Court deals with civil rights ,
the individual's right not law ....
Still dodging the question.
The Judicial Branch
The judicial branch consists of the United States Supreme Court and lower federal courts. Its primary function is to hear cases that challenge legislation or require interpretation of that legislation. The U.S. Supreme Court has nine Justices, who are chosen by the President, confirmed by the Senate, and have a lifetime appointment.
So instead of deflecting, answer the question. Do the OPINIONS of the judges of the Supreme Court count as more than just opinions. Are they, or are they not used to interpret legislation. Are the OPINIONS, used to change legislation, validate legislation and make legislation unlawful.
The OPINIONS of the judges of the Supreme Court have been collated since the courts inception and used as precedent to establish the interpretation of the legislation. So, therefore, the OPINIONS of the founding fathers, whether before or after the ratification of the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of the United states, should be used when interpreting the 2nd Amendment.

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So, like the Bible, is the Constitution a collection of purposefully vague parables designed to be interpreted as anyone might see fit?
...it always HAS been.....

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