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#7127 Apr 24, 2013
ROBINSON (April 23, 2013)—A man and a woman whom police found dead in a car were identified Tuesday as Stancel Howard Price, Jr., 48, and his wife, Nancy Ann Price, 48, of Robinson.

Nancy Price was a math teacher at University High School in Waco, Waco ISD spoksman Dale Caffey said.

Price, a military veteran whose students called her Coach Price, joined the Waco ISD in 1998, taught two years at University Middle School, four years at Cesar Chavez Middle School and was in her ninth year of teaching at University High School, the district said in a press release.

Counselors were sent to the school on Tuesday.

"Just three days ago we were on top of the world having won a state championship in soccer," said University Principal Bill Shepard.

"Now we are experiencing the effects of an awful tragedy. Our hearts go out to Coach Price's two sons and other immediate family members. The Trojan nation is heartbroken.”

Price had worked late Monday tutoring a student, the district said.

Officers found the bodies at around 6:40 p.m. Tuesday in a 2010 Chevrolet pickup truck at the intersection of Old Robinson Road and Loop 340 after police received a 911 call from someone who reported that a man was bleeding inside a vehicle.

Both the man and the woman died of what police said were gunshot wounds.

McLennan County Justice of the Peace Kristi DeCluitt pronounced both dead at the scene and ordered their bodies taken to the Southwest Institute of Forensic Science, in Dallas, for autopsies.

Further details were not released but the incident remains under investigation, O’Connor said.

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#7128 Apr 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Or better idea - send all the PTSD diagnosed individuals to live on your block.
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http://www.cchrint.org/2011/06/04/18-u-s-vete...
"Well over 300,000 troops have returned from Iraq or Afghanistan with P.T.S.D., depression, traumatic brain injury or some combination of those, according to The New York Times."
Just because a person has been diagnosed with PTSD or TBI does not automatically make them a threat to themselves or others. PTSD and TBI can occur to individuals who have never been in the military, just ask football players, or the survivors of the cowardly Boston attack.
I know personally of many veterans, both in my VFW Post and VFW District who have been diagnosed with PTSD, TBI or both and I nor any of the other members consider them a threat.
To use zero tolerance and disarm everyone who has been diagnosed with PTSD, TBI, or expressed suicidal or depressed thoughts is wrong and no matter how many stories you post, each person must be dealt with as individuals and treated as such.

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#7129 Apr 24, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Someone who is mentally unfit to have access to a deadly weapon- and this is apparently the tricky part- should not have access to deadly weapons.
Even if he or she is a Medal of Honor winner.
Ninety percent of Americans understand this: that felons, and terrorists, wife beaters, and persons with mental illness should not have access to firearms.
How do we adjudge a person as mentally unfit. Personally i think that many politicians are mentally unfit and should be committed.
Just because a person has a check mark on their record next to the PTSD or TBI box does not mean that they are a threat to themselves or anyone else. Just because a person has expressed thoughts of depression or suicide does not make them a threat to themselves or anyone else. Blanket policies are wrong. Treat each individual as an individual and not as a class of citizens.

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#7130 Apr 24, 2013
For all the coffee enthusiasts / junkies here:

Did you know that apples are more effective at waking you up in the morning than coffee?

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#7131 Apr 24, 2013
Chilli J wrote:
For all the coffee enthusiasts / junkies here:
Did you know that apples are more effective at waking you up in the morning than coffee?
Yeah, but I read yesterday that apples pose the most danger to humans because of pesticides.

You...just...can't...win, huh?

:o)

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#7132 Apr 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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Just because a person has been diagnosed with PTSD or TBI does not automatically make them a threat to themselves or others. PTSD and TBI can occur to individuals who have never been in the military, just ask football players, or the survivors of the cowardly Boston attack.
I know personally of many veterans, both in my VFW Post and VFW District who have been diagnosed with PTSD, TBI or both and I nor any of the other members consider them a threat.
To use zero tolerance and disarm everyone who has been diagnosed with PTSD, TBI, or expressed suicidal or depressed thoughts is wrong and no matter how many stories you post, each person must be dealt with as individuals and treated as such.
You mean all the drunks down at the VFW Post?

Yeah, yeah, yeah - I belong to a post too - and I wouldn't trust 90% of those individuals with a paperclip let alone a gun. Heroes they may all be - mentally stable? Heck no...

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#7133 Apr 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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You mean all the drunks down at the VFW Post?
Yeah, yeah, yeah - I belong to a post too - and I wouldn't trust 90% of those individuals with a paperclip let alone a gun. Heroes they may all be - mentally stable? Heck no...
What a pathetic individual you are. if you have spent any time at all in the VFW or American Legion, you would know that there is so much more to a Post than just a canteen with cheap drinks. do we drink...YES. Do some drink too much...YES. wold i trust my brothers to watch my back...ABSOLUTELY.
I would venture to say that most of the members I have met at the various Posts I have been in and the Department and National conventions I have attended are more mentally stable than you.

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#7134 Apr 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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What a pathetic individual you are. if you have spent any time at all in the VFW or American Legion, you would know that there is so much more to a Post than just a canteen with cheap drinks. do we drink...YES. Do some drink too much...YES. wold i trust my brothers to watch my back...ABSOLUTELY.
I would venture to say that most of the members I have met at the various Posts I have been in and the Department and National conventions I have attended are more mentally stable than you.
Lol...sure they are.

Does that include all the DUI and OWI repeat offenders?

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#7135 Apr 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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What a pathetic individual you are. if you have spent any time at all in the VFW or American Legion, you would know that there is so much more to a Post than just a canteen with cheap drinks.
But it is MOSTLy cheap drinks and people lying about the good old days.

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#7136 Apr 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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How do we adjudge a person as mentally unfit.
A medical doctor says: this person is unfit to handle a gun and is a danger to him/herself and anyone within range of that gun.

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#7137 Apr 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
Just because a person has a check mark on their record next to the PTSD or TBI box
If a doctor says the person is a danger to him/herself and others, he/she doesn't need a gun.

I understand: as far as you are concerned, you'd sell to wife beaters and felons so why not a vet feeling depressed?

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#7138 Apr 24, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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But it is MOSTLy cheap drinks and people lying about the good old days.
Prove it, show me some of your polls that show that. Until you are one of us and attend Department and national conventions and spend countless hours in a VFW and volunteering in VFW directed efforts outside of the local Post, you have nothing of substance to add to the conversation and are nothing more than a waste of breathable air.
I just left my local Post after 4 hours of comradeship and listening to my comrades give me their opinion on the direction we need to go in order to improve our membership and our service to the men and women who have or are serving with honor in the armed services of this great nation. As their incoming Commander, I value ALL of their input .
On the other hand, I have place absolutely zero value on your input. You would not make a pimple on the azz of the worst veteran in existence today or in the history of this great nation.

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#7139 Apr 24, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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A medical doctor says: this person is unfit to handle a gun and is a danger to him/herself and anyone within range of that gun.
A medical doctor is not trained, nor competent to judge the mental state of anyone. Only a highly trained professional in the field of psychiatry or psychology would be acceptable. Not some hack who barely squeaked through med school.

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#7140 Apr 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Lol...sure they are.
Does that include all the DUI and OWI repeat offenders?
There are some of those, but I would wager that the percentage of those is extremely small in comparison to the general population, and even compared to the general membership of this world wide organization.

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#7141 Apr 24, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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If a doctor says the person is a danger to him/herself and others, he/she doesn't need a gun.
I understand: as far as you are concerned, you'd sell to wife beaters and felons so why not a vet feeling depressed?
You don't understand a thing and have absolutely no clue whatsoever of what my stance is in regards to who should and should not be allowed to own, possess or use a firearm. You merely project your own fears and biases onto those who dare to disagree with you and attempt ,in your own inept, way to discredit them. While in reality, you only make yourself look even more foolish and ignorant with each post you make.

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#7142 Apr 25, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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There are some of those, but I would wager that the percentage of those is extremely small in comparison to the general population, and even compared to the general membership of this world wide organization.
Try visiting a local VA medical center once. There is a reason they have their own on-site armed police force. The largest contingent of PTSD cases have only surfaced just recently within Desert Storm veterans. Throw PTSD in with all the prescribed medications and alcoholism and you have a volitile mixture not fit for gun ownership.

That is reality.

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#7143 Apr 25, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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Try visiting a local VA medical center once. There is a reason they have their own on-site armed police force. The largest contingent of PTSD cases have only surfaced just recently within Desert Storm veterans. Throw PTSD in with all the prescribed medications and alcoholism and you have a volitile mixture not fit for gun ownership.
That is reality.
PTSD is not only present in combat veterans, it is present in any ghetto, in Boston, in Sandy Hook, in Waco, Just because a person is dealing with PTSD is not an indication that they are unstable and not capable of owning or using a firearm safely. If that was the case, then we would see mass indiscriminate slaughter in the war zones. It did not happen in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, OIF, OEF, So, therefore your opinion is invalid.

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#7144 Apr 25, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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PTSD is not only present in combat veterans, it is present in any ghetto, in Boston, in Sandy Hook, in Waco, Just because a person is dealing with PTSD is not an indication that they are unstable and not capable of owning or using a firearm safely. If that was the case, then we would see mass indiscriminate slaughter in the war zones. It did not happen in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm, OIF, OEF, So, therefore your opinion is invalid.
&#9632;In about 11-20% of Veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (Operations Iraqi and Enduring Freedom), or in 11-20 Veterans out of 100.

&#9632;In as many as 10% of Gulf War (Desert Storm) Veterans, or in 10 Veterans out of 100.

&#9632;In about 30% of Vietnam Veterans, or about 30 out of 100 Vietnam Veterans.

http://www.ptsd.va.gov/public/pages/how-commo...

Among Vietnam veterans, approximately 15% of men and 9% of women were found to have PTSD at the time of the study. Approximately 30% of men and 27% of women had PTSD at some point in their life following Vietnam.

Studies examining the mental health of Persian Gulf War veterans have found that rates of PTSD stemming from the war range anywhere from almost 9% to approximately 24%. These rates are higher than what has been found among veterans not deployed to the Persian Gulf.

The conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan are ongoing. That's why the full the impact the war has had on the mental health of soldiers in Iraq in not yet known. One study looked at members of four United States combat infantry units (3 Army and 1 Marine) who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The majority of soldiers were exposed to some kind of traumatic, combat-related situations, such as being attacked or ambushed (92%), seeking dead bodies (94.5%), being shot at (95%), and/or knowing someone who was seriously injured or killed (86.5%).

After deployment, approximately 12.5% had PTSD, a rate greater than that found among these soldiers before deployment.

http://ptsd.about.com/od/prevalence/a/Militar...

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#7145 Apr 25, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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A medical doctor is not trained, nor competent to judge the mental state of anyone.
I hate to be the one to break it to you but: physiologists are medical doctors.

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#7146 Apr 25, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
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Prove it, show me some of your polls that show that.
You only like the polls you use.

If vets want to go to a lodge and drink everyday: I say, drink up, let's make sure you get a special rate from the local taxi service or hire a local van to take you home and keep you off the road.

But let's not pretend the social aspect of VFWs involve bending elbows.

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