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#6783 Apr 11, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
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Btw, I can see how something as simple as the definition of infringe
By the way: I can see how you ignore the SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES which addresses this "infringement" directly and by majority vote that insist you are full of [email protected]

Eh, Dr-Deflection?

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#6784 Apr 11, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>On the contrary - I'm for keeping it. But we're gonna' tax the living sh*t out of firearms and ammo.

It's coming Doc.

Patience.
You can't do both. You keep ignoring the definition of infringe.
Willful ignorance once again.

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#6785 Apr 11, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
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I see you are used to psychiatrists.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHH! MOMMY! I can dish it out but I can't stand having it flung back in my FACE~! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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#6786 Apr 11, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
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Can you stop drinking so early
WAHHHHHHHHHHHH! MOMMY! I can dish it out but I can't stand having it flung back in my FACE~! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

~stomp stomp stomp~

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#6787 Apr 11, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
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More insults without substance.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHH! MOMMY! I can dish it out but I can't stand having it flung back in my FACE~! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

~stomp stomp stomp~

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#6788 Apr 11, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
Flaunt your ignorance.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHH! MOMMY! I can dish it out but I can't stand having it flung back in my FACE~! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

~stomp stomp stomp~

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#6789 Apr 11, 2013
Anti gun politicians keep saying that 90% of the American people polled support background checks.

There are a few issues with this. First off, we donít know exactly what people are thinking when they hear background checks. Are these polls asking people,ďDo you support background checks for gun purchases?Ē or ďDo you support background checks if it would save the lives of children?Ē or ďDo you support a universal background check on all firearms transactions which will create a paper trail that is a gross invasion of privacy and civil liberties that will cost gun owners $10-30 every time a gun changes hands?Ē

Iím just going to guess itís not that last one, but if it was I think the poll numbers would be a little different.

There is also the issue that gun owners, and Iím stereotyping a little here, enjoy their privacy more than your average person. This could mean gun owners are refusing to answer poll questions when they are called.

OK, so we already know the numbers themselves are suspect. We know probably 90% of American people DONíT support invasive, expensive background checks, but letís forget that. What if they did? It doesnít matter.

Our government is considered a republic or elected democracy. This is different from a true democracy. In a true democracy, every citizen would be able to weigh in and vote on every issue. Obviously with a population of over 300 million in our country that would not work. All we would be doing is voting. Also, the country would be subjected to every whim of mob mentality.

So what did our founding fathers have in mind?

Letís look at the following analysis of James Madisonís Federalist Paper No. 10.

He then argues that the only problem comes from majority factions because the principle of popular sovereignty should prevent minority factions from gaining power. Madison offers two ways to check majority factions: prevent the ďexistence of the same passion or interest in a majority at the same timeĒ or render a majority faction unable to act. Madison concludes that a small democracy cannot avoid the dangers of majority faction because small size means that undesirable passions can very easily spread to a majority of the people, which can then enact its will through the democratic government without difficulty.

Madison states,ďThe latent causes of faction are thus sown in the nature of manĒ, so the cure is to control their effects. He makes an argument on how this is not possible in a pure democracy but possible in a republic. With pure democracy, he means a system in which every citizen votes directly for laws, and, with republic, he intends a society in which citizens vote for an elite of representatives who then vote for laws. He indicates that the voice of the people pronounced by a body of representatives is more conformable to the interest of the community, since, again, common peopleís decisions are affected by their self-interest.(Source)

Madison presents a solution to the mob rule mentality that exists with democracy. He proposed elected officials that represent groups of citizens.

Now the founding fathers also saw potential problems with this. Those elected officials are obviously human, as are the rest of us and could be subject to the same type of mob rule mentalities under certain situations and could make policies which are detrimental to the well being of their constituents, even while being well meaning.

So, the founding fathers put together a document called the Constitution in order to lay out a set of rules of what these elected officials could and could not actually do.

That documented was amended with the Bill of Rights, to ensure that the most basic, fundamental rights of the people were always protected. The Bill of Rights was put in place to insure that no mob rule mentality could ever trample the rights of the citizens of the United States as long as the Constitution was still the law of the land in regards to the government.....

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#6790 Apr 11, 2013
Our government type (republic), Constitution, and Bill of Rights were all put in place to protect this country from the dangers of mob rule. Even if 90% of the American people did want invasive universal background checks (I promise, they donít), the system in place protects the rights of the minority, because the right to bear arms is one of the explicitly protected rights in the Bill of Rights.

Letís think about it another way. What if 90% of the country wanted to get rid of all religions except one? What if 90% of the country wanted to reinstate slavery? What if 90% of the country wanted to institute Sharia law? In those situations we would expect our elected officials to protect the citizens from mob rule and use the documents our founding fathers put in place to protect us from tyranny. This debate is no different, and actually more important, because if the Second Amendment is eroded enough all of those terrible things I just listed could much more easily become reality.

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#6791 Apr 11, 2013
Robber gunned down on Pasadena street

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houst...

A man shot and killed a robber who allegedly held him at gunpoint on a Pasadena street Friday night.

The victim was walking in the 600 block of Hawthorne near Wafer around 10:30 p.m. after shopping when a dark-colored truck pulled up beside him, said Pasadena Police spokesman Vance Mitchell.

An armed man then got out of a vehicle, pointing a gun in the victim's face and demanding that he give him everything he had, Mitchell said.

After the victim handed over a bag with the boots he'd just purchased, he heard another man in the truck yell to the gunman to shoot him, Mitchell said.

In fear for his life, the victim pulled out his own gun and began shooting toward the robber, striking him, Mitchell said. The suspect then jumped back in the vehicle, which fled down the street to the intersection of Wafer and Southmore....

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#6792 Apr 11, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
Anti gun politicians keep saying that 90% of the American people polled support background checks.
Everyone is the level of approval is 90 -percent or higher.

The exception would be the gun gnutters who are stomping their feet insisting they should have the right to sell to felons and mental defects like yourself.

Fun thing: google "ninety percent".

don't list anything else.

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#6793 Apr 11, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
Robber gunned down on Pasadena street
WILSON COUNTY, Tenn.Ė The Sheriff in Wilson County talked on Monday about a weekend accident that killed the wife of one of his deputies. Authorities said a 4-year-old who gained access to a loaded gun during a family cookout shot and killed 48-year-old Josephine Fanning.

The shooting happened Saturday evening inside Deputy Daniel Fanning's home on S.E. Tater Peeler Road in Lebanon. Authorities said Deputy Fanning and a male relative had been looking at firearms in a bedroom.

"He was actually showing another person that was there at the house some of his weapons he had locked in a secure gun safe," said Sheriff Robert Bryan.

The sheriff said no one saw Deputy Fanning's 4-year-old nephew walk into the room.

"Split second, we're talking about seconds for that kid to walk in that room unbeknownst to them, grab that gun and it goes off." said Sheriff Bryan.

The 4-year-old picked up the loaded gun and fired it once, hitting Josephine Fanning. She was pronounced dead on the scene.

Sheriff Bryan said this was all just a horrible accident.

"He took all the precautions, he's a trained law enforcement officer, trains with weapons all the time."

The Tennessee Bureau of Investigation was called to investigate, as required by protocol.

TBI spokeswoman Kristin Helm said the gun used was not Daniel Fanning's service weapon. Helm said Daniel Fanning works as a school resource officer.

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#6794 Apr 11, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
Our government type
(CNN)-- A 6-year-old New Jersey boy has died after being shot in the head by a 4-year-old playmate as their parents stood in the yard nearby, a local police chief said.

Brandon Holt was pronounced dead at 5 p.m. Tuesday at Jersey Shore University Medical Center in Neptune, according to Toms River police Chief Michael Mastronardy.

It was the second incident in the United States in recent days involving young children accidentally shooting others.

Brandon was playing in and around the 4-year-old's Toms River home on Monday evening when the younger child left the yard and went inside, police explained.

"The 4-year-old ... retrieved a rifle within the house, a .22-caliber rifle, came outside," Mastronardy told reporters earlier Tuesday. "... A shot went out and the 6-year-old was struck in the head."

Daniel Watkins, uncle of the 6-year-old boy, told CNN affiliate WCBS that the two children were friends.

"It's really difficult to deal with," Watkins said. "This is something that shouldn't have happened. It's horrible."

A family friend, Lynne Boccadoro, told CNN affiliate WABC that Brandon and his family had recently come over for Easter dinner.

"Always smiling, always laughing," she said of Brandon. "The cutest, cutest little boy."

The Atlantic County prosecutor's office is leading the investigation to determine whether charges will be filed in the case and, if so, against whom, Mastronardy said Tuesday night.

This eastern New Jersey incident follows another fatal shooting days ago that also involved a 4-year-old boy, this time in Tennessee.

Josephine Fanning had gone into a bedroom, along with the boy, where her husband -- Wilson County Sheriff's Deputy Daniel Fanning -- was showing a relative some of the lawman's guns.

At some point, the boy picked up a loaded pistol from a bed and shot Josephine Fanning dead, said Tennessee Bureau of Investigation spokeswoman Kristin Helm.

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#6795 Apr 11, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
Our government type (republic), Constitution, and Bill of Rights were all put in place to protect this country from the dangers of mob rule.
Mob rule = 90 percent of Americans who are sick of stupid azzes like this cracker insisting he has the right to sell guns to felons, and to leave his weapons laying around the house where children can pick them up and kill one another with.

Others call it: democracy.

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#6796 Apr 11, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
OK, so we already know the numbers themselves are suspect. We know probably 90% of American people DONíT support invasive
Ninety percent of Amnericans support universal background checks.

They are tired of gun gnutters demaing they should have special rights.

Making sure someone isn't a felon isn't an invasion of personal rights.

Here's Supreme Court's thinking:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Courtís opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.[United States v.] Millerís holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those ďin common use at the timeĒ finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."

Justice Scalia
this century

Justice Scalia is among the MOST pro-gun justices that has sat on the bench in 40 years.

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#6797 Apr 11, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Mob rule = 90 percent of Americans who are sick of stupid azzes like this cracker insisting he has the right to sell guns to felons, and to leave his weapons laying around the house where children can pick them up and kill one another with.
Others call it: democracy.
America is NOT a democracy, it is a republic. Use your precious Google, look it up and discover the difference child.
You have no idea whatsoever who I might sell a gun to, nor how I might store a gun, all you can do is ASSume and try in your own inept way to impugn my character.
You failed miserably.

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#6798 Apr 11, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H! I can dish it out but WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I can't take it! MOMMMY!
Funny! Statements are rebutted with more detraction and implications of crying. Whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better. Lmao!

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#6799 Apr 11, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>By the way: I can see how you ignore the SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES which addresses this "infringement" directly and by majority vote that insist you are full of [email protected]

Eh, Dr-Deflection?
I see how you ignore the SCOTUS ruling that the right to keep and bear arms, is an individual one.

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#6800 Apr 11, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>WAHHHHHHHHHHHH! MOMMY! I can dish it out but I can't stand having it flung back in my FACE~! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

~stomp stomp stomp~
It's not the kind of crying you imply. I'm laughing so hard at you libs, it is bringing tears to my eyes.
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#6801 Apr 11, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
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On the contrary - it would also keep those same guns out of the hands of the lowly, destitute criminals.
Gun owners would then take better care of their weapons. Ensuring gun safes are locked and not prone to theft.
The black market would probably not dry up, but get unbelievably expensive - making it harder and harder for criminals to get "cheap" Saturday Night Specials. When drug dealers are hit hard by police stings and sweeps, heroin traffic doesn't stop - it does however get mighty thin.
It also would limit guns on the streets, since a lot of people would start collecting them for their value instead of chancing damage or theft on the street.
I agree, but what I mean is that raising the tax (or even limiting the number of rounds in the chamber, for that matter) would not break the "infringement" upon the "right" to bear arms - if that's what the amendment really says or means. It's a bit like in the film "Life of Brian", offering the right for men to give birth. The "right" is insured but due to the nature of things (or the cost of ownership) few will actually be able to use - or misuse - it.

The idea of high-taxing weapons and/or ammunition is a sound one. It's fair, it would be lawful, and it would probably reduce the mischief that guns are often engaged in.

The only real hurdle (as I've said 6 million times) is that America's standards of education, unemployment, minimum wage, community positive action, and corruption is so bad that there will always be a large (and growing) percentage of the population that will be forced into a life of crime just "to make ends meet" so that diminished gun-related crimes will no doubt be expressed in crime by other means.

Gun control then, isn't a "one stop fix". Other measures of national concern must be implemented in conjunction with the reduction/control of personally owned weapons. As always it is the gap of wealth between the "filthy" rich and the "filthy" poor that is at the heart of the problem and I'm not necessarily talking about Communism or even Socialism.

If the lower end of the social scale has what it needs to live "fairly" then there's nothing wrong in someone being "stinking" rich but as long as there are such large numbers of destitute in any society then the community will never be upright and stable.
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#6802 Apr 11, 2013
Dr-Stripper wrote:
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I see how you ignore the SCOTUS ruling that the right to keep and bear arms, is an individual one.
The SCOUTS merely say, "Be prepared" - they don't say to be prepared specifically with guns.

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