Only cowards need guns

[Denny Crain]

Fold Art wrote:

<quoted text>The Browning designed model 1911 pistol, designed over 100 years ago, is still one of the most effective and reliable firearms to this day. The U.S. Marines just ditched the newer Beretta M9 in favor of the 1911. So, I guess a few years have not rendered firearms ineffective. Germany had plans for a cross channel attack, to invade Britain. You can't hold territory with planes and bombing/rockets. You have to have boots on the ground, with guns. An armed populace is a real deterent to tyranny, foreign or domestic.
Also, it wouldn't really take much to see this country to slide into anarchy and chaos. Stone age regression. The corruption from within, coupled with barbarians from without, Roman Empire style.

Along with the great M2 .50 cal machine gun still in use

[tallyho]

Kios wrote:

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You're just chatting breeze now aren't you. No substance just babble.
The sign of a man who's run out of tangible points.

and ,

[tallyho]

the 50 cal was never replaced .... and won't be as far as I can see

[milwaukee69]

obesity wrote:

I forget his name but that Japanese general during WWII was asked why they chose not to attack and send troops to the mainland. He said because the citizens are armed and we wouldn't stand a chance. So to all of you in other countries who say we should be embarrassed by our gun laws, I say you should be embarrassed by yours. It must feel really bad to know that you can't or don't want to be in control of your own lives and that you need a gov to control every aspect of your life. Is your gov going to protect you if you ever get invaded?? I think not.

LMFGDAO.

Ok...I'll play.

Britain has anit-gun laws. The last time they were successfully invaded was 1075 AD by the Normans.

Canada, like Britain, has anti-gun laws. They were last invaded in 1776.

The last time America was invaded by an FULL army being commanded and lead by a foreign government was 1864 with the Civil War, yes the Confederate States of America was a foreign country under international laws. And we all know how that turned out.

I fail to see your point.

[Naughtyrobot]

milwaukee69 wrote:

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The Marines still use the Beretta, at least that's what they say anyways...
http://www.marines.com/operating-forces/equip...
The M1911 was replaced by the M9 pistol as the standard U.S. sidearm in the early 1990s, but due to its popularity among users, it has not been completely phased out. Modern M1911 variants are still in use by some units within the US Army Special Forces, the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps.
I'm very familiar with the .45 - and to become proficient with it, the gun needs to be aimed straight up in the air to hit someone across the room. The falloff from 40 yards is a McDonald's arch.

http://www.military.com/daily- news/2012/07/20/marines-pick-c olt-for-new-pistol.html
It is my opinion that the Marines should dump the Beretta altogether, they have not officially done so yet. The contract for 4,000 Colt 1911's is a good start. For the intended useful range the pistol was designed for, the .45 performs very well. Outside that range, pick up a rifle!

[Kios]

tallyho wrote:

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and ,

No and, Just pointing it out.

[milwaukee69]

Naughtyrobot wrote:

<quoted text>http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/07/20...
It is my opinion that the Marines should dump the Beretta altogether, they have not officially done so yet. The contract for 4,000 Colt 1911's is a good start. For the intended useful range the pistol was designed for, the .45 performs very well. Outside that range, pick up a rifle!

The Colt is outdated. It's just the other side of hand-to-hand combat, IMO. Like I said, I still have mine - it's a beast to handle, weighs almost twice as much as a Beretta. You have to modify the living sh*t out of a .45 just to get it's accuracy in line with today's standards. With the 5" (re: 5.03") barrel variant, you're just asking for trouble. The only thing that it has going for it is that it has less moving parts than the Beretta and it is rugged as hell. If it were me, a Glock 17 would suffice.

[diver1wilson]

milwaukee69 wrote:

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LMFGDAO.
Ok...I'll play.
Britain has anit-gun laws. The last time they were successfully invaded was 1075 AD by the Normans.
Canada, like Britain, has anti-gun laws. They were last invaded in 1776.
The last time America was invaded by an FULL army being commanded and lead by a foreign government was 1864 with the Civil War, yes the Confederate States of America was a foreign country under international laws. And we all know how that turned out.
I fail to see your point.

The American Civil War, also known as the War between the States, or simply the Civil War, was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 between the United States (the "Union" or the "North") and several Southern slave states that had declared their secession and formed the Confederate States of America (the "Confederacy" or the "South"). The war had its origin in the fractious issue of slavery, and, after four years of bloody combat (mostly in the South), the Confederacy was defeated, slavery was abolished, and the difficult Reconstruction process of restoring unity and guaranteeing rights to the freed slaves began.

Just wanted you to know that your dates were wrong as well as the "other country invading America theory"

[diver1wilson]

milwaukee69 wrote:

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LMFGDAO.
Ok...I'll play.
Britain has anit-gun laws. The last time they were successfully invaded was 1075 AD by the Normans.
Canada, like Britain, has anti-gun laws. They were last invaded in 1776.
The last time America was invaded by an FULL army being commanded and lead by a foreign government was 1864 with the Civil War, yes the Confederate States of America was a foreign country under international laws. And we all know how that turned out.
I fail to see your point.

HOWEVER the correct answer to what you were responding to should have said something along the lines of....

Currently, people are illegally crossing the border and occupying space in the United States. They are enemies to our economy by using our resources and not paying into our system because they do not receive money from whatever employment that they receive in a legal manner.

On September 11, 2001, the United States was invaded and attacked by enemy forces from the extremist Muslim Group Al Queda by hijacking airplanes and using them as weapons of mass destruction and flying them into iconic buildings (namely the World Trade Center and the Pentagon). heroes thwarted the 4th hijacking attempt and drove the plane into the ground in a field in Pennsylvania.

[milwaukee69]

diver1wilson wrote:

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HOWEVER the correct answer to what you were responding to should have said something along the lines of....
Currently, people are illegally crossing the border and occupying space in the United States. They are enemies to our economy by using our resources and not paying into our system because they do not receive money from whatever employment that they receive in a legal manner.
On September 11, 2001, the United States was invaded and attacked by enemy forces from the extremist Muslim Group Al Queda by hijacking airplanes and using them as weapons of mass destruction and flying them into iconic buildings (namely the World Trade Center and the Pentagon). heroes thwarted the 4th hijacking attempt and drove the plane into the ground in a field in Pennsylvania.

Or...we could even go back further than that if you're of American Indian descent. Or...go back to the turn or the last century and all of the immigrants (our forefathers) that were allowed amnesty (sp?). Or...my point was, hand guns and personal weapons don't thwart an invasion by an invading horde. I personally wouldn't be that naive an expect my Glock 17 to contribute to the defense of present-day a nuclear attack.

I think you get the point.

[milwaukee69]

diver1wilson wrote:

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The American Civil War, also known as the War between the States, or simply the Civil War, was a civil war fought from 1861 to 1865 between the United States (the "Union" or the "North") and several Southern slave states that had declared their secession and formed the Confederate States of America (the "Confederacy" or the "South"). The war had its origin in the fractious issue of slavery, and, after four years of bloody combat (mostly in the South), the Confederacy was defeated, slavery was abolished, and the difficult Reconstruction process of restoring unity and guaranteeing rights to the freed slaves began.
Just wanted you to know that your dates were wrong as well as the "other country invading America theory"

I was close - I'm in no way a Civil War fanatic. 1864 was answer C. on the test.

The last time America was invaded by an FULL army being commanded and lead by a foreign government was the Civil War, yes the Confederate States of America was a foreign country under international laws.

[tallyho]

Kios wrote:

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No and, Just pointing it out.

ok when do ever get to a point

[Ohio Cowgirl]

I own guns have some registered in my name but I still think there should be stricker laws and registrations...

[tallyho]

diver1wilson wrote:

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HOWEVER the correct answer to what you were responding to should have said something along the lines of....
Currently, people are illegally crossing the border and occupying space in the United States. They are enemies to our economy by using our resources and not paying into our system because they do not receive money from whatever employment that they receive in a legal manner.
On September 11, 2001, the United States was invaded and attacked by enemy forces from the extremist Muslim Group Al Queda by hijacking airplanes and using them as weapons of mass destruction and flying them into iconic buildings (namely the World Trade Center and the Pentagon). heroes thwarted the 4th hijacking attempt and drove the plane into the ground in a field in Pennsylvania.

the correct answer is the hijackers were allowed in the USA legally , lived/worked here did not invade

[Victim Mentality]

If we all gave up our guns, would the criminals give theirs up too? That's not what happened in Britain.

[Rip tide]

Typical lib bologne.

[cjt12]

All I need is a pair of pliers and a blow torch,...

[milwaukee69]

cjt12 wrote:

All I need is a pair of pliers and a blow torch,...

LMFGDAO!!!

McGyver?

[cjt12]

milwaukee69 wrote:

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LMFGDAO!!!
McGyver?

Pulp Fiction,...Marcellus Wallace.

[milwaukee69]

cjt12 wrote:

<quoted text>Pulp Fiction,...Marcellus Wallace.

Lol...my mistake.