Federal report: Warming is disrupting...

Federal report: Warming is disrupting America with weird weather, rising pollen, more costs

There are 1084 comments on the Cape Breton Post story from May 6, 2014, titled Federal report: Warming is disrupting America with weird weather, rising pollen, more costs. In it, Cape Breton Post reports that:

Global warming is rapidly turning America into a stormy and dangerous place, with rising seas and disasters costing citizens from flood-stricken Florida to the wildfire-ravaged West, according to a new U.S. federal scientific report.

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Harrison Freebird

New Bern, NC

#835 May 25, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
Gores movie was a lie from end to end
You are a card carrying fool. The world would in be a better place should your nut sack be removed to make sure you never breed. Shit you blather about makes me want to spit.

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"the green troll"

#836 May 25, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Warming stopped 17 years ago but CO2 is at record levels.
It did, huh?

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from...

This April was tied with April 2010 for warmest ever, but 2010 was an El Nino year, which should tell you that when the next El Nino arrives (this year or next) we will see new record temperatures.

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#837 May 25, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>According to Al Gore there should be no ice in the Arctic today.
Yawn...
Predictably, the voices of denial are rising as Arctic sea ice melt season peaks and ranks only fifth-lowest ever. The clamor is being raised over Al Gore's Nobel Prize acceptance speech quote supposedly saying that Arctic sea ice would be gone by 2013.1 What Gore did or didn't say is beside the point: For the propagandists delivering this message, the objective is "cast doubt and discredit." From Gore's speech:

Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.2

And yes, the deniers cannot even add. Not only did Gore not say "by 2013," but it would be 2014 at the soonest.... On to reality:

The Navy researcher that leads this "new study" team that the former vice president alludes to is Wieslaw Maslowski at the Naval Post Graduate School in Monterey, California. The team's research was funded by the Department of Energy (DOE), the Office of Naval Research (ONR), the National Science Foundation (NSF), the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

Maslowski also did not say "by 2013" in his original research in 2007 or when it was republished in 2009. This grandstanding about sea ice and Gore, for whatever reason, is a huge and egregious deception. The actual prediction from Maslowski's 2009 publication is, "Autumn could become near ice free between 2011 and 2016."3
http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/18941-a...

“Denny Crain”

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#838 May 25, 2014
Harrison Freebird wrote:
<quoted text> You are a card carrying fool. The world would in be a better place should your nut sack be removed to make sure you never breed. Shit you blather about makes me want to spit.
Feel free to spit :) Call it global flooding

“Denny Crain”

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#839 May 25, 2014
This report by the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee‘s office references over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries who have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called “consensus” on man-made global warming. Many of these scientists are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), but have become outspoken critics of the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.

Among these experts are those who have won Nobel Prizes for their outstanding contributions to their fields, in such diverse areas as climatology; geology; biology; glaciology; biogeography; meteorology; oceanography; economics; chemistry; mathematics; environmental sciences; engineering; physics and paleoclimatology. They just might know a thing or two more about the subject than a former tobacco farmer who has become unimaginably wealthy by hustling global warming hysteria.

The simple explanation why they don't use the term global warming any more is everyone knows the climate was changed in the past. Now if the have record cold it is because man made the climate change. Record rains it is the same story if the sun comes up it proves climate change

“I call it as I see it.”

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#841 May 25, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
This report by the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee‘s office references over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries who have voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called “consensus” on man-made global warming. Many of these scientists are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), but have become outspoken critics of the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.
Among these experts are those who have won Nobel Prizes for their outstanding contributions to their fields, in such diverse areas as climatology; geology; biology; glaciology; biogeography; meteorology; oceanography; economics; chemistry; mathematics; environmental sciences; engineering; physics and paleoclimatology. They just might know a thing or two more about the subject than a former tobacco farmer who has become unimaginably wealthy by hustling global warming hysteria.
The simple explanation why they don't use the term global warming any more is everyone knows the climate was changed in the past. Now if the have record cold it is because man made the climate change. Record rains it is the same story if the sun comes up it proves climate change
While there is evidence for some global warming and very modest sea level rises, it has been greatly exaggerated by many. We also don't know if it is a natural cycle or from greenhouse gasses.

I oppose draconian methods to immediately reduce greenhouse gasses production as it would do a lot more to destroy the world economy than reduce greenhouse gasses. on the other hand, denying global warming should not be used as an excuse to stifle research into alternative cleaner and renewable sources of energy.

We really need to avoid knee jerk reactions to a single season of abnormally warm or cold weather in a certain area as being proof for or against global warming. While North America was shivering, Northern Europe was experiencing an abnormally warm winter. The same weather feature that gave North America snow and cold gave Europe a very mild winter. While the rest of the country was freezing, Where I live in Florida, I had papaya trees survive the winter which usually doesn't happen.
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#842 May 25, 2014
The interior of Greenland (seen here with researchers’ tents pitched) is usually covered in frozen ice and snow. In July 2012, though, 97 percent of the surface melted for the first time in more than 100 years. Scientists now know why that happened.(© Patrick Robert/Corbis)

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/...

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#843 May 25, 2014
Actually long term climate charts shows that the earth is indeed, in a long term cooling trend...

http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/g...

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#844 May 25, 2014
xxxooxxx wrote:
Actually long term climate charts shows that the earth is indeed, in a long term cooling trend...
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/g...
Greenland ice core data don't include modern temperatures; add those on and you get a different picture:

http://hot-topic.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/201...

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#845 May 25, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
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Greenland ice core data don't include modern temperatures; add those on and you get a different picture:
http://hot-topic.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/201...
Seem to correlate nicely to me....the present spike in warming began it the 1700s way before the industrial revolution with an over all trend cooling, not warming.

So dont through out that parka just yet.

“Denny Crain”

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#846 May 25, 2014
xxxooxxx wrote:
Actually long term climate charts shows that the earth is indeed, in a long term cooling trend...
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/lappi/g...
Climate change seems to run in 20 year cycles. In 1973 Time magazine was reportig we were on the brink of the next ice age

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#847 May 25, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Climate change seems to run in 20 year cycles. In 1973 Time magazine was reportig we were on the brink of the next ice age
By what im reading in the charts, I think they got it right the first time...

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#848 May 25, 2014
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Seem to correlate nicely to me....the present spike in warming began it the 1700s way before the industrial revolution with an over all trend cooling, not warming.
So dont through out that parka just yet.
The trend *was* cooling:

http://www.realclimate.org/images//Marcott.pn...

Not any more.

The 1700s were the end of the little ice age, a period of cool climate due to volcanic activity and low solar activity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1000_Year_T...

Volcanoes and solar activity don't explain the modern warming.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/...

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#849 May 25, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text>Climate change seems to run in 20 year cycles. In 1973 Time magazine was reportig we were on the brink of the next ice age
It was a story about the energy crisis.

http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,1...

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#850 May 25, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
The trend *was* cooling:
http://www.realclimate.org/images//Marcott.pn...
Not any more.
The 1700s were the end of the little ice age, a period of cool climate due to volcanic activity and low solar activity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1000_Year_T...
Volcanoes and solar activity don't explain the modern warming.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globalwarming/...
No. The overall trend is still cooling. Short term we are in a relative minor warming trend which would be expected coming out of the little ice age. Noting that this trend began before the industrial revolution brings into question would it have happened anyway? Using relative short term charts are not really reliable because you can pretty well relate any short term phenomena to short term climate patterns( such as rising fashion designs such as I stated earlier). But when we take into account long term historical climate patterns we see a spike in warming that appear abnormal on a short term chart, but is completely normal ( and quite minor actually ) when you take into account previous cycles of global warming and cooling.

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#851 May 25, 2014
xxxooxxx wrote:
<quoted text>
No. The overall trend is still cooling. Short term we are in a relative minor warming trend which would be expected coming out of the little ice age. Noting that this trend began before the industrial revolution brings into question would it have happened anyway? Using relative short term charts are not really reliable because you can pretty well relate any short term phenomena to short term climate patterns( such as rising fashion designs such as I stated earlier). But when we take into account long term historical climate patterns we see a spike in warming that appear abnormal on a short term chart, but is completely normal ( and quite minor actually ) when you take into account previous cycles of global warming and cooling.
Who to believe?

The world climate science community which says it *is* warming based on real evidence, or a nobody conspiracy theorist on the internet who says it's cooling based on some graphs from internet blogs?

Tricky one.

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#852 May 25, 2014
Fair Game wrote:
<quoted text>
Who to believe?
The world climate science community which says it *is* warming based on real evidence, or a nobody conspiracy theorist on the internet who says it's cooling based on some graphs from internet blogs?
Tricky one.
Not.
lol...reminds me of something I read on a message board when I was following the stock market for awhile." Charts dont lie, people lie."
Survey Sez

Owensboro, KY

#853 May 25, 2014
Obama will announce new national guidelines limiting emissions for existing power plants, which account for 40 percent of all carbon-dioxide emissions.

The timing of Obama’s announcement was dictated by the bureaucratic clock, not the electoral one. For the president to have his new system firmly in place by the time he departs the White House, he needs time to issue his proposal, take public comments, finalize it, defend it against inevitable legal challenges, and so on. Since the law authorizing Obama’s plan has already passed Congress (the Clean Air Act, in 1970), there will be no drawn-out battle on the Hill.

Americans do support, by a wide margin, regulating the greenhouse-gas emissions of power plants.

Obama is not picking this issue to help his party save Senate seats. He is doing this because, given the enormity of the stakes for centuries to come, there is no morally defensible alternative.
Ex Sen Rick Stillborn

Philadelphia, PA

#854 May 25, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
This report by the U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee‘s office references over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries who have voiced significant objections to major aspects....The simple explanation why they don't use the term global warming any more is everyone knows the climate was changed in the past.
You are a purposefully dissembling cre tin. The globe did not stop warming 17 years ago. Some freeek somewhere found a highly selective method of measuring something in one spot to make it look that way. The data in the aggregate show warming.

These "400" prominent scientists are not named. The nature of their objections, if any, are not stated. What your Limbaugh quality source is doing is folding in all the ranges of opinion regarding the projections of possible effects into a "skeptical" category.

In fact, all the qualified scientists - not the high school, Birther, Creationist biology teachers - accept the causal mechanism of greenhouse gases in the warming and the climate effects we are seeing.

More weather extremes will be one of the last symptoms to show up clearly, although they're showing up now. This has to do with homeostatic mechanisms - a term you will not understand and will mock - cushioning things for the most part until a tipping point.

Previous climate changes without human inputs took millennia; the current one is advancing on a century time scale. Unfortunately to mouthbreathers this is all gibberish. You know, like vaccines are perils, and like Evolution is a "religion," and like Al Gore is "all climate science."

Tee baggrz and pure anti rationalists. And proud of it. They'll repeat the same lying, debunked, disingenuous refuse until the day they die.
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#855 May 25, 2014
Best way to divert your audience from reading a half thought out or unsubstantiated weak straw-man argument:
Write the first and last sentence as uncalled for insults or baseless ridicule.
Elementary parlay. To say the least
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