Man's Death Leads To Minn. Motel Fire

Dec 28, 2010 Full story: WCCO 44

Fire investigators say a 70-year-old man's death while smoking led to a fire at an International Falls motel.

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just candid

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#1 Dec 28, 2010
We can hope it was fast and he didn't suffer. We can also be glad he didn't hurt or kill others as sometimes happens. There should be total restriction on sny smoking in hotels or motels.
Hundreds of fires costing many millions of $ are caused by smokers every year. We had a smoking related fire and death here in the Wash DC area just last week.
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#2 Dec 28, 2010
just candid wrote:
We can hope it was fast and he didn't suffer. We can also be glad he didn't hurt or kill others as sometimes happens. There should be total restriction on sny smoking in hotels or motels.
Hundreds of fires costing many millions of $ are caused by smokers every year. We had a smoking related fire and death here in the Wash DC area just last week.
Most common cause of fires in homes, hotels, motels- faulty electrical. Going to ban electricity?
Several times more fires are caused by wiring problems or electrical and electronic devices.

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#3 Dec 28, 2010
NostrilDamnUs wrote:
<quoted text>Most common cause of fires in homes, hotels, motels- faulty electrical. Going to ban electricity?
Several times more fires are caused by wiring problems or electrical and electronic devices.
Even if you claim is true, electricity serves important functions.

Cigarettes don't, except to addict you and kill you.

I like laws banning smoking in crowded public spaces like bars and restaurants, due to second hand smoke. As far as hotel rooms and so forth - private, closed areas - I'd like to see individual hotels set policies to allow smoking or forbid smoking. Then we could all choose which hotel to stay in, the one with the marginally higher risk of fire or the one with arguably fresher air.
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#4 Dec 28, 2010
corrective_unconscious wrote:
<quoted text>
Even if you claim is true, electricity serves important functions.
Cigarettes don't, except to addict you and kill you.
I like laws banning smoking in crowded public spaces like bars and restaurants, due to second hand smoke. As far as hotel rooms and so forth - private, closed areas - I'd like to see individual hotels set policies to allow smoking or forbid smoking. Then we could all choose which hotel to stay in, the one with the marginally higher risk of fire or the one with arguably fresher air.
In most states with rampant anti-smoking legislation, it is either banned in hotel/motel rooms or they have specific sections that allow it, others that don't, and heavy penalties if you violate the non-smoking areas.

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#5 Dec 28, 2010
For some, cigarettes are therapeutic. I'd rather someone smoke in front of me than immediately try to kill me. Reminds me of one guy's excuse to drink. He said he got drunk to keep from killing people. But overall, I agree, smoking is a waste, safety hazard, and health hazard. I have mixed feelings too. While their body is their body and they should be free to make choices which impact themselves, should they subject the public to their habit?

While I am glad for clean air in restaurants, many people like to smoke and drink together in bars. So why not allow bars exclusively for smokers with only smokers as staff? Some got by for years with a back room just for smokers, while everyone else could be out front where the air was clear. But then there was the issue of risk to staff. The server has to go back there. So even if that room was totally sealed off from the non-smoking area, the servers were still risking their health to go back there.

And I am not sure on the stats about electrical fires. It seems that cigarettes, crack, candles, and other open flames would be more likely. With all the modern electric codes, I don't see how there could be too many electric fires in modern homes, unless we mean from heaters, electric stoves, lamps, and appliances. Most homes don't use fuses anymore, so the foil and penny tricks won't be used. Older wiring can be a problem, and "electricians" who don't know what they are doing.

I remember a case where a woman was accused of burning her house to kill her kids. The problem was the police had an arson investigator, not a fire investigator. The defense painted a different story from the police and illustrated the sloppy police work. There were several signs that it was an electrical fire caused by accident (someone's stupidity). There was the fuse panel. The circuit that served the room had a 30 amp fuse. Fourteen gauge wiring generally can safely carry 15 amps. Twelve gauge wiring generally can safely carry 20 amps. Ten gauge and larger are rarely used for 120 volt branch circuits. So there was no reason for a 30 amp fuse to be used in a 15-20 amp circuit. The surviving children said that their room was cold in the night, and maybe the light didn't work either. So the wiring had already burned some by that point.

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#6 Dec 29, 2010
whoa, before we put the fire out , new hotels etc etc have to meet new codes , such as fire walls/sprinkles/etc etc , by the sounds of this it was a pre-code structure ...

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#7 Dec 29, 2010
NostrilDamnUs wrote:
<quoted text>In most states with rampant anti-smoking legislation, it is either banned in hotel/motel rooms or they have specific sections that allow it, others that don't, and heavy penalties if you violate the non-smoking areas.
where it is banned or not is not the issue, it is the date of the structure that is the issue
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#8 Dec 29, 2010
Purple Gurl wrote:
For some, cigarettes are therapeutic. I'd rather someone smoke in front of me than immediately try to kill me. Reminds me of one guy's excuse to drink. He said he got drunk to keep from killing people. But overall, I agree, smoking is a waste, safety hazard, and health hazard. I have mixed feelings too. While their body is their body and they should be free to make choices which impact themselves, should they subject the public to their habit?
While I am glad for clean air in restaurants, many people like to smoke and drink together in bars. So why not allow bars exclusively for smokers with only smokers as staff? Some got by for years with a back room just for smokers, while everyone else could be out front where the air was clear. But then there was the issue of risk to staff. The server has to go back there. So even if that room was totally sealed off from the non-smoking area, the servers were still risking their health to go back there.
And I am not sure on the stats about electrical fires. It seems that cigarettes, crack, candles, and other open flames would be more likely. With all the modern electric codes, I don't see how there could be too many electric fires in modern homes, unless we mean from heaters, electric stoves, lamps, and appliances. Most homes don't use fuses anymore, so the foil and penny tricks won't be used. Older wiring can be a problem, and "electricians" who don't know what they are doing.
I remember a case where a woman was accused of burning her house to kill her kids. The problem was the police had an arson investigator, not a fire investigator. The defense painted a different story from the police and illustrated the sloppy police work. There were several signs that it was an electrical fire caused by accident (someone's stupidity). There was the fuse panel. The circuit that served the room had a 30 amp fuse. Fourteen gauge wiring generally can safely carry 15 amps. Twelve gauge wiring generally can safely carry 20 amps. Ten gauge and larger are rarely used for 120 volt branch circuits. So there was no reason for a 30 amp fuse to be used in a 15-20 amp circuit. The surviving children said that their room was cold in the night, and maybe the light didn't work either. So the wiring had already burned some by that point.
while smoking may not be good for a persons health, it does create jobs, such as the health care system, which then leads to jobs such as electricians, plumbers, cleaning people, office people, etc. etc., heck even funeral homes get a piece of the action. so in a way that person smoking is beneficial to society!
lol
:)
u know im just joking of course, but it really is the truth too. i always say they dont want to find a cure for cancer for this very reason...

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#9 Dec 29, 2010
Pretty Feet wrote:
<quoted text>
while smoking may not be good for a persons health, it does create jobs, such as the health care system, which then leads to jobs such as electricians, plumbers, cleaning people, office people, etc. etc., heck even funeral homes get a piece of the action. so in a way that person smoking is beneficial to society!
lol
:)
u know im just joking of course, but it really is the truth too. i always say they dont want to find a cure for cancer for this very reason...
LOL!

A lot of cancer is preventable. For certain cancers, moderate to high vitamin D consumption (1000iu to 2000iu per day) may help, and can even help with other nasties like viruses. You should have close to 40 ng/dl blood level of its precursor. Many people are down around 12 or lower, and especially those with African heritage. Vitamin D helps with the cardiovascular system too.

Even chocolate can be a good preventative. However, it would need to be as natural as possible. Most people consume "dutched" chocolate which has the natural antioxidants removed.

Then there are the many toxins we should avoid ranging from formaldehyde, to PCBs, to cigarette smoke. There are things like MSG, other sodium compounds (I am not including actual salt here since it has antiseptic properties), saccharin, and Aspartame which we should avoid.

And there are lifestyle choices that spread cancer-causing viruses, that we should either give up, do safer, or get vaccines for. If someone receives anal sex, for instance, they should use protection to the extent possible, get regular exams there (pap smears and colonoscopy), and get the wart vaccine. Similar if you receive vaginal sex, particularly from multiple partners for from someone with multiple partners. The vaccine isn't the most necessary if someone gets regular pap smears, since lesions can be spotted early and removed.

One link that has been discredited for the time being for the most part, from what I understand, is the theory that early termination of a pregnancy could increase cancer risk. Supposedly, the hormones in the body need to be exact, and that doing anything that screws them up, can increase cancer risk. And if doctors are messing around in someone's body with dirty instruments, then that is another risk, since certain viruses cause cancer. One problem is when politics and wealth influences the reported "scientific" outcomes. I mean, whatever the people in power support is never deemed "cancer-causing." If the tobacco industry was in charge of government and owned the media, they would have a bunch of studies showing smoking as non-cancerous and beneficial, and they would pass out cigarettes to youth during lunch.

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#10 Dec 29, 2010
just candid wrote:
We can hope it was fast and he didn't suffer. We can also be glad he didn't hurt or kill others as sometimes happens. There should be total restriction on sny smoking in hotels or motels.
Hundreds of fires costing many millions of $ are caused by smokers every year. We had a smoking related fire and death here in the Wash DC area just last week.
Yep, as well we should ban coffee pot's, hot plates, clothes dryers, extension cords, space heaters, candles, fireplaces, laptops, lawn mowers and well pretty much everything.

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#11 Dec 29, 2010
corrective_unconscious wrote:
<quoted text>
Even if you claim is true, electricity serves important functions.
Cigarettes don't, except to addict you and kill you.
I like laws banning smoking in crowded public spaces like bars and restaurants, due to second hand smoke. As far as hotel rooms and so forth - private, closed areas - I'd like to see individual hotels set policies to allow smoking or forbid smoking. Then we could all choose which hotel to stay in, the one with the marginally higher risk of fire or the one with arguably fresher air.
hahahahaha...second hand smoke!!

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#12 Dec 29, 2010
NostrilDamnUs wrote:
<quoted text>In most states with rampant anti-smoking legislation, it is either banned in hotel/motel rooms or they have specific sections that allow it, others that don't, and heavy penalties if you violate the non-smoking areas.
Smokers don't care about rules against them. If they want to smoke they should by all means smoke. The only place I agree with non smoking is in a restaurant. And maybe a movie theatre, but I donít really care because I donít go to see movies.

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#13 Dec 29, 2010
tallyho wrote:
whoa, before we put the fire out , new hotels etc etc have to meet new codes , such as fire walls/sprinkles/etc etc , by the sounds of this it was a pre-code structure ...
Prolly one of those hooker hotels with the big wheel in the lobby that says "Spin-a-night-free"
I've never seen one a friend of mine told me about a cousin that had a nephew that went to school with a kid that had a teacher who's grandfather knew a fella that saw one once.

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#14 Dec 29, 2010
yernogoood- wrote:
<quoted text>Prolly one of those hooker hotels with the big wheel in the lobby that says "Spin-a-night-free"
I've never seen one a friend of mine told me about a cousin that had a nephew that went to school with a kid that had a teacher who's grandfather knew a fella that saw one once.
oh you mean a b&b

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#15 Dec 29, 2010
yernogoood- wrote:
<quoted text>hahahahaha...second hand smoke!!
Hi stupid!

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#16 Dec 29, 2010
tallyho wrote:
<quoted text>
oh you mean a b&b
Well I think he drank some then woke up there!

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#17 Dec 29, 2010
corrective_unconscious wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi stupid!
Hi dum dum!
just candid

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#18 Dec 29, 2010
Third Hand Smoke may be as bad for rug rats and pets as Second Hand smoke is.

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#19 Dec 29, 2010
yernogoood- wrote:
<quoted text>Hi dum dum!
That's not how "dumb" is spelled.

I'm just sayin'.

And the adverse effects of second hand smoke are well known, cretins to the contrary notwithstanding.
Pretty Feet

Philadelphia, PA

#20 Dec 29, 2010
Purple Gurl wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!
A lot of cancer is preventable. For certain cancers, moderate to high vitamin D consumption (1000iu to 2000iu per day) may help, and can even help with other nasties like viruses. You should have close to 40 ng/dl blood level of its precursor. Many people are down around 12 or lower, and especially those with African heritage. Vitamin D helps with the cardiovascular system too.
Even chocolate can be a good preventative. However, it would need to be as natural as possible. Most people consume "dutched" chocolate which has the natural antioxidants removed.
Then there are the many toxins we should avoid ranging from formaldehyde, to PCBs, to cigarette smoke. There are things like MSG, other sodium compounds (I am not including actual salt here since it has antiseptic properties), saccharin, and Aspartame which we should avoid.
And there are lifestyle choices that spread cancer-causing viruses, that we should either give up, do safer, or get vaccines for. If someone receives anal sex, for instance, they should use protection to the extent possible, get regular exams there (pap smears and colonoscopy), and get the wart vaccine. Similar if you receive vaginal sex, particularly from multiple partners for from someone with multiple partners. The vaccine isn't the most necessary if someone gets regular pap smears, since lesions can be spotted early and removed.
One link that has been discredited for the time being for the most part, from what I understand, is the theory that early termination of a pregnancy could increase cancer risk. Supposedly, the hormones in the body need to be exact, and that doing anything that screws them up, can increase cancer risk. And if doctors are messing around in someone's body with dirty instruments, then that is another risk, since certain viruses cause cancer. One problem is when politics and wealth influences the reported "scientific" outcomes. I mean, whatever the people in power support is never deemed "cancer-causing." If the tobacco industry was in charge of government and owned the media, they would have a bunch of studies showing smoking as non-cancerous and beneficial, and they would pass out cigarettes to youth during lunch.
:)
thanks for the info, honestly i think some of us have a "cancer gene". my fathers side All died of some kind of cancer so i figure for myself i've got a good chance.
but i dont intend to sit and worry about any of that.
:)

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