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#165 Jan 4, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
I'm thinking of talking to a lawyer to start a lawsuit.
During the Pres debates the only ones invited were Obama and Romney, I think all candidates should be able to participate.
We need at least another valid 3'rd party. And I think if we could here the positions of some of these other parties it may split the vote enough to allow other parties to compete..........
I just feel we cant sit around and say to our government what your doing is ok........
Its time to react..........
Any opinions..........
Start a petition!!!!!

http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm...

Make sure you register with your name, address and social security number. I hear the White House is file sharing with the IRS.

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#166 Jan 4, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
I'm thinking of talking to a lawyer to start a lawsuit.
During the Pres debates the only ones invited were Obama and Romney, I think all candidates should be able to participate.
We need at least another valid 3'rd party. And I think if we could here the positions of some of these other parties it may split the vote enough to allow other parties to compete..........
I just feel we cant sit around and say to our government what your doing is ok........
Its time to react..........
Any opinions..........
I think an Independent should run.

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#167 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> It worked in Boston and I have a friend in England who said it works well there also.
You know and I know Obamacare will we tweaked many times before we have a final product.
I've read conflicting stories about how it worked in Mass.

However, how it works is irrelevant. Telling people and businesses that they MUST purchase a certain product or face a fine in wrong.

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#168 Jan 4, 2013
65007noogard wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read conflicting stories about how it worked in Mass.
However, how it works is irrelevant. Telling people and businesses that they MUST purchase a certain product or face a fine in wrong.
I agree with that because how will the very poor pay the fine.

I think Obamacare will be as I said changed many times. He just wanted to get it into law. Now making chances can and should begin..

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Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#169 Jan 4, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
Start a petition!!!!!
http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm...
Make sure you register with your name, address and social security number. I hear the White House is file sharing with the IRS.
I dont have anything tom fear from the IRS. But apparently you do..........

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#170 Jan 4, 2013
65007noogard wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read conflicting stories about how it worked in Mass.
However, how it works is irrelevant. Telling people and businesses that they MUST purchase a certain product or face a fine in wrong.
Its not a fine..........

Its a tax..........

Rolling my eyes..........

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#171 Jan 4, 2013
65007noogard wrote:
<quoted text>Telling people and businesses that they MUST purchase a certain product or face a fine in wrong.
It's not a product when half to three-quarters of the nation wants free health care. I'm not sure if you saw my post the other day, but I read in the WSJ that by next year 5-10% of all Fortunate 1000 companies will cease providing healthcare insurance for their employees. They will opt to pay the penalty instead - which will be cheaper. I blame the insurance providers for jacking the prices and public forums for forcing us to sit on our fat asses all day.

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#172 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with that because how will the very poor pay the fine.
I think Obamacare will be as I said changed many times. He just wanted to get it into law. Now making chances can and should begin..
Therein lies yet another problem with Obamacare. The very poor aren't forced to purchase a policy. Policies for the very poor are partially paid for by the taxpayer.

I think there are SOME goods things bout that bill (insurance companies can no longer deny or drop coverage, for example). If they fix some of the obviously "wrong" things, it may work.

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#173 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with that because how will the very poor pay the fine.
I think Obamacare will be as I said changed many times. He just wanted to get it into law. Now making chances can and should begin..
Everyone is going to be audited, and then based on those findings they are going to tell you what you should purchase.

Remember Obamacare is suppose to create thousands of jobs, IRS jobs.

Lets also remember that government sets povety levels very low. But in any case if they say you cant afford it the government pays for it. If they say you can afford it you pay for it or you pay the fine. From what I understand is the fine is typically lower then the insurance costs.

In fact I heard the fine is ridiculously low. But it can increase based on your income. I may be wrong here but I believe its based on 2% of your income.

If you make 35 large your fine is $700.00

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#174 Jan 4, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not a product when half to three-quarters of the nation wants free health care. I'm not sure if you saw my post the other day, but I read in the WSJ that by next year 5-10% of all Fortunate 1000 companies will cease providing healthcare insurance for their employees. They will opt to pay the penalty instead - which will be cheaper. I blame the insurance providers for jacking the prices and public forums for forcing us to sit on our fat asses all day.
When really its government we should blame. They want those companies to drop HC. They get revenue from th fines they pay AND most people will then buy their own insurance. Its the best of both worlds for the government.........

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#175 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> I think an Independent should run.
Independants typically are spoilers..........Plus they are still in the typical dem - rep mindset.

We need a whole new party to come along. A party for the people and NOT big business. Because face it, I dont give a rats hiny if its a dem or an R in Congress or the Senate, they are being controlled by big business.

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#176 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text>
Me calling you Fox News I didn't feel was a personal attack but thats fine I can handle any insults you can give.
Iíve seen that label brandished by others on here and on other news sites that I post and read comments on. Itís generally not used in a positive manner. But letís leave that be.

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#177 Jan 4, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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When really its government we should blame. They want those companies to drop HC. They get revenue from th fines they pay AND most people will then buy their own insurance. Its the best of both worlds for the government.........
If you're employed, you're already paying for health insurance. I don't know of anyone that refuses company supplied health insurance (personally, I think you'd be a fool not to take it, but that's just me). Doing so otherwise is exceedingly expensive. I've been paying expensive health insurance premiums since Jesus was a fetus. It's no different now than it was years ago - to livew without health insurance is just plain crazy, that is unless you cannot afford it. Supplying those under the poverty level government-paid health care will actually save everybody money. It'll insure that medical bills are (finally) paid off, hospitals will start operating in the black and it'll be a much more fluid system, IMHO.

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#178 Jan 4, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Iíve seen that label brandished by others on here and on other news sites that I post and read comments on. Itís generally not used in a positive manner. But letís leave that be.
I agree with you, she was using that as a weapon and trying to demean you and your intelligence..........

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#179 Jan 4, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
If you're employed, you're already paying for health insurance. I don't know of anyone that refuses company supplied health insurance (personally, I think you'd be a fool not to take it, but that's just me). Doing so otherwise is exceedingly expensive. I've been paying expensive health insurance premiums since Jesus was a fetus. It's no different now than it was years ago - to livew without health insurance is just plain crazy, that is unless you cannot afford it. Supplying those under the poverty level government-paid health care will actually save everybody money. It'll insure that medical bills are (finally) paid off, hospitals will start operating in the black and it'll be a much more fluid system, IMHO.
That was the selling point.........It was suppose to bring costs down. When it didnt it was changed to: It will contain increases and slow them down. Well it hasnt and the reason it hasnt is because preexisting conditions is going to cost Insurers big dollars. I have to assume these 25% increases per year are for that reason. I think the BIG jump is up ahead probably in 2014..........Then it may start to level off.

I didnt mention the decrease in coverage and the changes in deductibles..........

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#180 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right it has taken us years to get to where we are but there was already a trillion dollar debt when Obama took office and we were already on a downhill spiral being called a recession. When that hit I had 15 houses on the market and was hanging on by my fingernails. I understand that good money was thrown away after bad but I also understand it takes money to make money and he had to spend to get us moving again with bailouts etc. Some being very successful like the auto bailout. He has had to pay for two wars, unemployment benefits, natural disasters etc. I mean look at what has happened in his last for years.
Even if we leave all of what was spent in the past, with all of that to one side, we are still projected to have 9 more trillion in debt in 8 years .. thatís with Obamaís plan and using his own numbers. That doesnít include anymore bailouts, paying for wars, and natural disasters. He has no plan to prevent us from becoming Greece.

I could have supported him, if instead of the smoke and mirrors distraction of only talking about raising taxes on those making more than 250k a year (which won't really help us), if he actually had a plan Ö even a plan I didnít particularly like to prevent us from becoming Greece.

There is no leadership from him on this issue. I think his plan is to let the next President deal with it. By then, the necessary cuts and tax increases will only get worse.
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text>
I get all that you say, really I do and you make some good points but I still believe giving the chance and if Congress works with him and we can pull out of this.
It didn't happen overnight and it won't be fixed overnight.
I just have faith in him as I see recovery in my own state of Ohio which was hit the hardest only second to Michigan of all the states.
I'm a positve kind of person and not a Negative Nancy, I can't help that Sublime, it's just me...
I normally am too, but there is so much dysfunction with our government. Itís hard to be optimistic. They have shown no ability to make the tough decisions. The whole fiscal cliff ordeal and sequester was supposed to force their hands into reducing our debt, and they did nothing but punt once again.

Geithner is leaving the Obama administration come the end of the month. Heís the one who has been the key negotiator with the house on behalf of Obama. Obama, as likeable as he is, and as good of a speech giver as he is, isnít a very good leader. He got voted off the island by both parties last summer when the deal that raised the debt ceiling was negotiated. He didnít lead on this latest deal that averted the fiscal cliff. I find that to be very odd that our leader isnít leading.

We really need a strong leader, right now. There is none to be found, and Iím not saying Romney would have been that guy, either, but he and Ryan at least had a plan.

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#181 Jan 4, 2013
65007noogard wrote:
<quoted text>
Therein lies yet another problem with Obamacare. The very poor aren't forced to purchase a policy. Policies for the very poor are partially paid for by the taxpayer.
I think there are SOME goods things bout that bill (insurance companies can no longer deny or drop coverage, for example). If they fix some of the obviously "wrong" things, it may work.
What constitutes poor, there are the working poor.

Like I said I talk to a guy from England who said they have the same thing and it works well for them...

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#182 Jan 4, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Even if we leave all of what was spent in the past, with all of that to one side, we are still projected to have 9 more trillion in debt in 8 years .. thatís with Obamaís plan and using his own numbers. That doesnít include anymore bailouts, paying for wars, and natural disasters. He has no plan to prevent us from becoming Greece.
I could have supported him, if instead of the smoke and mirrors distraction of only talking about raising taxes on those making more than 250k a year (which won't really help us), if he actually had a plan Ö even a plan I didnít particularly like to prevent us from becoming Greece.
There is no leadership from him on this issue. I think his plan is to let the next President deal with it. By then, the necessary cuts and tax increases will only get worse.
<quoted text>
I normally am too, but there is so much dysfunction with our government. Itís hard to be optimistic. They have shown no ability to make the tough decisions. The whole fiscal cliff ordeal and sequester was supposed to force their hands into reducing our debt, and they did nothing but punt once again.
Geithner is leaving the Obama administration come the end of the month. Heís the one who has been the key negotiator with the house on behalf of Obama. Obama, as likeable as he is, and as good of a speech giver as he is, isnít a very good leader. He got voted off the island by both parties last summer when the deal that raised the debt ceiling was negotiated. He didnít lead on this latest deal that averted the fiscal cliff. I find that to be very odd that our leader isnít leading.
We really need a strong leader, right now. There is none to be found, and Iím not saying Romney would have been that guy, either, but he and Ryan at least had a plan.
I get that and I get what your saying but many economist who looked at the Romney/Ryan plan who were neutral said their numbers didn't add up either.

I felt Romney knew business and nothing else which is a scarey thought when you have to juggle some many others things..

Could Obama be stronger? Yes! My thinking is he knew because Congress is so against him that he thought more would get done by letting someone else put the deal together..

And like they said, there were many talks that we knew nothing about between him and Boehner etc.

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#183 Jan 4, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Iíve seen that label brandished by others on here and on other news sites that I post and read comments on. Itís generally not used in a positive manner. But letís leave that be.
Ok, as I said it wasn't personal..

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#184 Jan 4, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you, she was using that as a weapon and trying to demean you and your intelligence..........
A weapon? Really?? lmao!

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