NO DEAL! Who's to Fault

“Pillars of Creation....”

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Into this world we're thrown

#147 Jan 4, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Sub's just caught up in all the hate-speak so common in the GOP these days. It's human nature with some folks, that when they hear derisive talk about someone/something they go along with it because they don't want to be left out or (worse) be talked bad about by others. There isn't much life beyond high school for a lot of people. If, like back then, you hear some people talking bad about someone else, you might want to get in on that lest they turn on YOU. Typical of the easily led.
If you cant see the hate speak comes from both sides your just as easily led..........

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#148 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not afraid of anyone turning on me. It is what it is. I'm have an opinion just like everyone else.
It's my freedom and my choice as a very proud American...:)
Exactly. Sub and his ilk go with what they see as the 'flow' because they perceive diminished expectations as 'safe'. It's like those difficult adolescents that hate everything because to like something is to take a chance of 'losing' if that something turns out to not be popular.

This is why, even in the face of success, they see failure in everything Obama does. It's a hate train looking to run out of track but, they don't want to jump off and admit they were wrong. Very sad.

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

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Since: Apr 10

USA

#149 Jan 4, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. Sub and his ilk go with what they see as the 'flow' because they perceive diminished expectations as 'safe'. It's like those difficult adolescents that hate everything because to like something is to take a chance of 'losing' if that something turns out to not be popular.
This is why, even in the face of success, they see failure in everything Obama does. It's a hate train looking to run out of track but, they don't want to jump off and admit they were wrong. Very sad.
Maybe he will prove them all wrong. They just don't want to give him that chance..:(

As an Independent, I really don't care what party he is from I just want results like most of America does.

It's really not important to me to say,,, see I told you so...

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#150 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not at all staring off into space. You and I both voted for who we thought would be better for our country. We differ in opinion and that's fine with me.
I won't stoop to your level and make (personal) assaults on you like you have me and my sons who btw I never said who they voted for did I?
I find the fact that you are act all indignant over me calling you dopey, when for days you’ve been calling me “fox news,” even continuing after I explained that I don’t watch fox news and can’t stand it. Was that supposed to be a compliment or was that pejorative? I think we both know the answer. So, if you wonder why mud started being flung back at you, perhaps you should consider your own precipitating actions.

Not only did you start directing pejoratives towards me first, but throughout this whole discussion, I’ve used numerous facts and statistics related to our dire debt situation, the amount of debt we have accrued under the Obama administration, and the relative debt accrued by both Obama and Bush.

Until now in your post above (and I commend you) rather than acknowledging anything I have said or even trying to rebut these things with your own facts and statistics from credible non-biased sources and making logical conclusions based on these sources of information you have simply used flippant remarks, i.e. I’m merely inciting panic by using official government CBO reports and Geithner’s and Obama’s OWN reports that show spending wise we are on a completely unsustainable course.

You’ve also used flat out false information that you’ve made up, i.e. most of the debt Obama has accrued is because of Bush’s Wars and Bush is who bankrupted our nation. I can’t find the exact figures for the wars, but according to Wikipedia, in 2009 Obama proposed 130 billion in spending for both Afghanistan and Iraq and in 2011, he proposed 159 billion. Even if we averaged 159 billion on these wars over his 4 years (which we didn’t), that is about 600 billion dollars he had to spend on Bush’s wars. So of the 6 trillion dollars we accrued during Obama’s term, not even 600 billion of that was due to wars he didn’t start. I can understand and respect you having a difference of opinion, but at least have your facts straight instead of forming an opinion on false information.

So, when you wonder why I called you dopey,^^^^ that explains why.

“Grab all the good”

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Since: Jul 10

Rowlett Tx

#151 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> Maybe he will prove them all wrong. They just don't want to give him that chance..:(
As an Independent, I really don't care what party he is from I just want results like most of America does.
It's really not important to me to say,,, see I told you so...
Oh we are getting results. It is called massive debt :(

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#152 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text>We all want smaller gov, a balanced budget with a surplus if possible. Jobs and a strong economy. A fierce military, and America to be the super power that it is.
I truly believe Obama has our best interest at heart. He is not just an ordinary President. He's our first black President and he knows he has something to prove. I don't believe his legacy, his moment in history will be that he bankrupted America and left us in an even greater recession than that we had when he took office.
You may not like him or see his vision but America did vote him back in and all we can do is hope that he can work with Congress and get something done not for the Dem or Rep party but for America.
I know thats what you want and what I want.
Only time will tell and it's to soon in his second term to see how this will play out. The wheels of gov. move slow.
While you talk about his legacy and wanting to have a good one in terms of debt, he already had a 4 year track record of monumental spending. He’s a tax and spend democrat. His record speaks for itself. Do you honestly believe that a tax and spend democrat is going to cut spending to the degree that we honestly need? Do you not think he is going to reward the folks who voted for him, many of whom rely on handouts? I’m sorry that folks have allowed themselves to become dependent on the government and if we had the money, I wouldn’t be so adverse to doing more to help them, but we just don’t have the money.

In terms of liking him, I actually find him to be a likeable person, and a much more likeable person than Romney. Romney seemed kind of snobby to me. In terms of Obama, I think we’d get along fine over a beer and I would enjoy his company on a personal level. He can be very funny at times.

My biggest beef with him is his politics and it’s not even that so much … if we had the money to blow, Obamacare wouldn’t be nearly as troublesome for me (he really should have gone after big pharma, however … instead he socked it to many middle class folks by limiting our flex spending contributions, which many of us use to fund our out of pocket healthcare expenses … I really can’t understand why someone who is supposedly all for the little people would choose big pharma over us). I would find the judgment of anyone questionable, when in the face of massive job losses (and the massive tax receipt losses that this caused), in the face of massive unsustainable deficit spending, and in the face of having existing entitlements that were already approaching trouble, if they felt that despite all these things it was a good time to embark on another massive spending program, regardless of what that spending program was.

To have faith in him, when it comes to our debt, just seems to go against the evidence. What's done is done, however.

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#153 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
New Jobs Report:
Unemployment is still at 7.8 % with 155.000 jobs being added in Dec.
35.000 new construction jobs
45.000 new healthcare jobs
25.000 new manufracturing jobs
19.000 retail...down alittle but expected
Almost 2 million jobs added during the 2012 year.
The Auto Industry having their best year in sales in 5 years.
Economist said this morning that we are still recovering, slow but sure and it looks like we are pulling out of the recession...
I was glad to hear the employment figures.

However, I didn't blame Bush for the recession (it was caused by the policies of many administrations, both R and D), even though I disliked him, and I'm not going to give Obama too much credit for the recovery.

I think regardless of who was in office, things were eventually going to get better. Sometimes Presidents get too much credit and too much blame for things.

“Pillars of Creation....”

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Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#154 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> Maybe he will prove them all wrong. They just don't want to give him that chance..:(
As an Independent, I really don't care what party he is from I just want results like most of America does.
It's really not important to me to say,,, see I told you so...
He's had 4 years.

He asked for 3.

His campaign went from hope and change to doom and gloom for the first 2 1/2 to 3 years..........

You have been talking about Romney flipflopping, yet they ALL do it. Its politics. Romney was way to the right and when he won the nomination came back to the middle. That actually appealed to me, and I felt way more comfortable with him there.

They all do it. You will see in the next election, the same thing from Dems and Reps in there bids for the POTUS nomination of there respectful parties. Thats just how the game is played.

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#155 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> Maybe he will prove them all wrong. They just don't want to give him that chance..:(
As an Independent, I really don't care what party he is from I just want results like most of America does.
It's really not important to me to say,,, see I told you so...
That's EXACTLY what they want to say: "I TOLD YOU SO..."
Diminished expectations to avoid "getting hurt". The problem is, they have to keep fueling this prophecy of doom with more hate and contempt. Not everyone has to be a cheerleader but, America is supposed to be ONE team. Some of these people make Al Queda look tame!

65007noogard

“Geaux Tigers!”

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Since: Jun 12

Down on the bayou

#156 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> Maybe he will prove them all wrong. They just don't want to give him that chance..:(
He lost that chance the day he signed Obamacare.

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Since: Aug 08

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#157 Jan 4, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>Sub's just caught up in all the hate-speak so common in the GOP these days. It's human nature with some folks, that when they hear derisive talk about someone/something they go along with it because they don't want to be left out or (worse) be talked bad about by others. There isn't much life beyond high school for a lot of people. If, like back then, you hear some people talking bad about someone else, you might want to get in on that lest they turn on YOU. Typical of the easily led.
You say the same type of stupid shyte in every post of yours ... absolutely nothing of substance ... just ill conceived conclusory statements and petty jabs.

Given your headline, you should actually try posting well sometime... Maybe try not being such a stranger to facts and evidence.

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#158 Jan 4, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not afraid of anyone turning on me. It is what it is. I'm have an opinion just like everyone else.
It's my freedom and my choice as a very proud American...:)
I totally agree.

“Pillars of Creation....”

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Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#159 Jan 4, 2013
I'm thinking of talking to a lawyer to start a lawsuit.

During the Pres debates the only ones invited were Obama and Romney, I think all candidates should be able to participate.

We need at least another valid 3'rd party. And I think if we could here the positions of some of these other parties it may split the vote enough to allow other parties to compete..........

I just feel we cant sit around and say to our government what your doing is ok........

Its time to react..........

Any opinions..........

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Since: Aug 08

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#160 Jan 4, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>That's EXACTLY what they want to say: "I TOLD YOU SO..."
Diminished expectations to avoid "getting hurt". The problem is, they have to keep fueling this prophecy of doom with more hate and contempt. Not everyone has to be a cheerleader but, America is supposed to be ONE team. Some of these people make Al Queda look tame!
WE aren't one team when half the population wants more and more debt and sticks their head in the sand and ignores the fact that we are on the exact same trajectory that took down Greece.

They recently did a poll and more than half of all democrats polled did not want entitlement reform, even if it meant saddling future generations with massive debt. I'm sorry, but I love my children more than I love providing grown adults with a bunch of free stuff that my children will have to pay for.

It's also one thing to care for the elderly and the disabled. It's another thing to care for grown working age adults, many of whom have no shame, and provide for them as if they were children.

I was raised with the understanding that at a certain point in time, you need to leave mommy and daddy and make your own way in the world. Some folks it seems never grew up and learned to be responsible adults. They just replaced mommy and daddy with the government.

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

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Since: Apr 10

USA

#161 Jan 4, 2013
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I was glad to hear the employment figures.
However, I didn't blame Bush for the recession (it was caused by the policies of many administrations, both R and D), even though I disliked him, and I'm not going to give Obama too much credit for the recovery.
I think regardless of who was in office, things were eventually going to get better. Sometimes Presidents get too much credit and too much blame for things.
Me calling you Fox News I didn't feel was a personal attack but thats fine I can handle any insults you can give.

You're right it has taken us years to get to where we are but there was already a trillion dollar debt when Obama took office and we were already on a downhill spiral being called a recession. When that hit I had 15 houses on the market and was hanging on by my fingernails. I understand that good money was thrown away after bad but I also understand it takes money to make money and he had to spend to get us moving again with bailouts etc. Some being very successful like the auto bailout. He has had to pay for two wars, unemployment benefits, natural disasters etc. I mean look at what has happened in his last for years.

I get all that you say, really I do and you make some good points but I still believe giving the chance and if Congress works with him and we can pull out of this.

It didn't happen overnight and it won't be fixed overnight.

I just have faith in him as I see recovery in my own state of Ohio which was hit the hardest only second to Michigan of all the states.

I'm a positve kind of person and not a Negative Nancy, I can't help that Sublime, it's just me...

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

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Since: Apr 10

USA

#162 Jan 4, 2013
65007noogard wrote:
<quoted text>
He lost that chance the day he signed Obamacare.
It worked in Boston and I have a friend in England who said it works well there also.

You know and I know Obamacare will we tweaked many times before we have a final product.

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

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Since: Apr 10

USA

#163 Jan 4, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
<quoted text>
He's had 4 years.
He asked for 3.
His campaign went from hope and change to doom and gloom for the first 2 1/2 to 3 years..........
You have been talking about Romney flipflopping, yet they ALL do it. Its politics. Romney was way to the right and when he won the nomination came back to the middle. That actually appealed to me, and I felt way more comfortable with him there.
They all do it. You will see in the next election, the same thing from Dems and Reps in there bids for the POTUS nomination of there respectful parties. Thats just how the game is played.
I know they all do it but some take shady politics to a new form of sleazy...

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

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Since: Apr 10

USA

#164 Jan 4, 2013
Denny Crain wrote:
<quoted text>Oh we are getting results. It is called massive debt :(
I agree Denny, hopefully working together they will get that under control.

I placed my vote and my bet, it's out of my hands now..:)

“I know where you are,”

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Since: Jun 08

Right here under my thumb

#165 Jan 4, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
I'm thinking of talking to a lawyer to start a lawsuit.
During the Pres debates the only ones invited were Obama and Romney, I think all candidates should be able to participate.
We need at least another valid 3'rd party. And I think if we could here the positions of some of these other parties it may split the vote enough to allow other parties to compete..........
I just feel we cant sit around and say to our government what your doing is ok........
Its time to react..........
Any opinions..........
Start a petition!!!!!

http://usgovinfo.about.com/gi/o.htm...

Make sure you register with your name, address and social security number. I hear the White House is file sharing with the IRS.

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

Level 8

Since: Apr 10

USA

#166 Jan 4, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
I'm thinking of talking to a lawyer to start a lawsuit.
During the Pres debates the only ones invited were Obama and Romney, I think all candidates should be able to participate.
We need at least another valid 3'rd party. And I think if we could here the positions of some of these other parties it may split the vote enough to allow other parties to compete..........
I just feel we cant sit around and say to our government what your doing is ok........
Its time to react..........
Any opinions..........
I think an Independent should run.

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