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It's not hate at all. It's love of my country and concern for its well-being and future.

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<quoted text>The CBO numbers are overly optimistic and they even predict that in 8 years we are spending about 1 trillion just on interest payments for debt. That is lost money. That is money we can’t invest in education, infrastructure, and social programs. That is money that for all practical purposes is flushed down the toleit.
The federal government is projected to only take in 2.9 trillion in 2013. Let’s assume that goes up to 3.5 trillion in 8 years … if one trillion is spent on interest payments for debt, that’s still about 30% of our federal budget being spent on interest payments and it only gets worse every year after that. At the same time SS and Medicare will need more funding or cuts because all the babyboomers will be drawing from the trust funds. All of this is even a best case scenario and assumes the fed is able to keep interest payments on bonds at historical lows, which no one believes will be the case! Go read the reports.
We are completely f’d with four more years of that clown in the office (I even voted for him for his first term ... so I'm not a neo-con). I don’t even know why I am putting savings into my 401k. I should be buying gold and guns, and I’m not even a gun guy. I see no way around complete and total collapse absent significant spending cuts.
Might as well jump off a bridge - you paint such a rosey picture.

No thanks - I'll continue to work, just as I always have - if it's not enough, I work more or find a better job. I'll continue to live life, paranoid-free. I will continue to trust my wallet as to what investments to make - but it will not be a gun.

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First of all, if you really need to resort to name calling, it would behoove you to choose the correct vernacular - numbnuts should be hyphenated.
Secondly, none of your opinions are fact-based. Working two part time jobs? Oh the humanity!!! It's called woking, pal. I put two kids through college working two jobs - you...can...too.
Most conservatives had us in the dumpster after the 1st - it didn't happen - neither did the world end. Try seaching for Bigfoot or UFO's...there's more solid evidence that they exist than there is the economy will fall apart anytime soon.
Its called working..........Not 'recovery' though..........

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Might as well jump off a bridge - you paint such a rosey picture.
No thanks - I'll continue to work, just as I always have - if it's not enough, I work more or find a better job. I'll continue to live life, paranoid-free. I will continue to trust my wallet as to what investments to make - but it will not be a gun.
And that is precisely why you will continue to support Obama and the a$s clown democrats who just keep adding more and more spending, which is nothing more than throwing fuel on the fire.

I guess the CBO is paranoid too. I'll trust the CBO report, while realizing it's report is overly optimistic.

It's funny you act like a collapse is not possible, considering we almost just had one in 2008. When our interest payments get to 30% of our revenue we won't be able to buy our way out of it. When it gets that high, the risk of default increases and those who buy our bonds will demand greater interest rates, due to the increased risk. That's exactly what happened to Greece. It's not that they couldn't possibly pay for their debt at reasonable interest rates ... it's just that investors would no longer loan them money at reasonable rates because their debt ratio got too high and the risk of default increased. This in turn caused them to have to borrow more money to pay the higher interest rates, which further increased their debt ratio, which further led to investors demanding even higher rates ... cue viscous circle.

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And that is precisely why you will continue to support Obama and the a$s clown democrats who just keep adding more and more spending, which is nothing more than throwing fuel on the fire.
Actually, no - you couldn't be more wrong.

I voted for that "a$s clown" because the best that the GOP could do was put Rmoney in the candidate's seat. LMFGDAO - really? His best arguement in any debate was to agree with the opposition? I'm estatic that Bachmann won Minnesota - it'd be a biotch not to have any punch lines anymore.

It's kinda' like waiting for Jackass 4 to come out - I can't wait to see what those "a$sclowns" come up with next.

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Actually, no - you couldn't be more wrong.
I voted for that "a$s clown" because the best that the GOP could do was put Rmoney in the candidate's seat. LMFGDAO - really? His best arguement in any debate was to agree with the opposition? I'm estatic that Bachmann won Minnesota - it'd be a biotch not to have any punch lines anymore.
It's kinda' like waiting for Jackass 4 to come out - I can't wait to see what those "a$sclowns" come up with next.
Ya we sure couldn't or wouldnt want a succesful business leader in the WH right now. Much better to have the community organizer.

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Ya we sure couldn't or wouldnt want a succesful business leader in the WH right now. Much better to have the community organizer.
Businessmen have historicaly made terrible presidents. Witness:

The only "businessman" U.S. commander in chief to secure high marks from both ordinary citizens and professional historians is Harry Truman, whose haberdashery business ingloriously failed.

In the last 24 presidential elections, only two elected presidents were denied a second White House turn by the voters. Democrat Jimmy Carter ran a successful peanut business in his native Georgia and Republican George H.W. Bush moved from Connecticut to Texas, where he founded the prospering Zapata oil company.

The most successful businessman ever elected president had to be the world-renowned engineer and investment banker Herbert Hoover, whose exceptional humanitarian efforts after World War I almost certainly saved Belgium from widespread starvation. President Hoover, unfortunately, left office with 25 percent of his nation unemployed.

Why is this the case? Because, according to Stewart, "running a successful business venture — like Bain Capital, to pick one at random — has almost nothing in common with leading the United States as her president."

Lawyers represent the largest collection of successfull presidents.

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LOL..........Economic recovery? What world are you livin in?
We should just let Obama have his way and we'll see what kind of recovery we have..........
Read a business section already....turn on CNBC and learn what's going on, all around you.....Just because you are left out, don't mean it ain't happening....The election was one thing, but for you to keep lying about our economy, is just UNPATRIOTIC.....

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Actually, no - you couldn't be more wrong.
I voted for that "a$s clown" because the best that the GOP could do was put Rmoney in the candidate's seat. LMFGDAO - really? His best arguement in any debate was to agree with the opposition? I'm estatic that Bachmann won Minnesota - it'd be a biotch not to have any punch lines anymore.
It's kinda' like waiting for Jackass 4 to come out - I can't wait to see what those "a$sclowns" come up with next.
I can't stand Bachmann. She's a total nut job. She makes Palin look non-nutty and that's saying something.

Actually Romney mopped the floor with Obama in the first debate. All I saw from both Biden and Obama was fear mongering and shooting down Ryan and Romney's ideas, without offering any substantive ideas of their own, other than to tax those making more than 250k, which made me laugh because as Bill Clinton has acknowledged ... even if we taxed folks like him at 100% it still wouldn't pay for all the spending Obama and the dems are doing or prevent us from becoming Greece by 2021. In fact, it was projected to only bring in 68 billion a year more of revenue. 68 billion when you are running 1000 plus billion dollar deficits isn't a real solution ... yet that is all you ever heard from both of them.

So to me, you had two folks, i.e. Romney and Ryan, who identified what the actual biggest problem was facing our nation ... i.e. our debt, and you had Obama and Biden using fear mongering to scare folks away from their solution (even if imperfect ... at least they had some ideas to come to the table with) and instead proposing a feel good non-solution to it, i.e. taxing those making more than 250k, which I liken to the proverbial sticking a finger in the dyke.

Now that Obama has been re-elected he still hasn't shown any willingness to do anything about it. His only solution has been to raise taxes on a very small percentage of very rich, which as I pointed out doesn't really do anything in terms of our debt problem. You almost may as just as well not do anything in fact. It's not a solution.

I guarantee you had Romney been elected we'd see movement on our debt. Unlike the community organizer in chief whose only real world experience was organizing folks from the ghetto to vote so the government doesn't take away their cheese, Romney also had real world experience as governor, where he balanced the budget via a combination of tax increases and spending cuts, while working with the other side to accomplish it.

Whereas Romney has a proven track record of working with the other side, Obama says stupid stuff like the Republicans have to ride in the back [of the bus] and then complains that they don't want to work with his arrogant a$s.

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I can't stand Bachmann. She's a total nut job. She makes Palin look non-nutty and that's saying something.
Actually Romney mopped the floor with Obama in the first debate. All I saw from both Biden and Obama was fear mongering and shooting down Ryan and Romney's ideas, without offering any substantive ideas of their own, other than to tax those making more than 250k, which made me laugh because as Bill Clinton has acknowledged ... even if we taxed folks like him at 100% it still wouldn't pay for all the spending Obama and the dems are doing or prevent us from becoming Greece by 2021. In fact, it was projected to only bring in 68 billion a year more of revenue. 68 billion when you are running 1000 plus billion dollar deficits isn't a real solution ... yet that is all you ever heard from both of them.
So to me, you had two folks, i.e. Romney and Ryan, who identified what the actual biggest problem was facing our nation ... i.e. our debt, and you had Obama and Biden using fear mongering to scare folks away from their solution (even if imperfect ... at least they had some ideas to come to the table with) and instead proposing a feel good non-solution to it, i.e. taxing those making more than 250k, which I liken to the proverbial sticking a finger in the dyke.
Now that Obama has been re-elected he still hasn't shown any willingness to do anything about it. His only solution has been to raise taxes on a very small percentage of very rich, which as I pointed out doesn't really do anything in terms of our debt problem. You almost may as just as well not do anything in fact. It's not a solution.
I guarantee you had Romney been elected we'd see movement on our debt. Unlike the community organizer in chief whose only real world experience was organizing folks from the ghetto to vote so the government doesn't take away their cheese, Romney also had real world experience as governor, where he balanced the budget via a combination of tax increases and spending cuts, while working with the other side to accomplish it.
Whereas Romney has a proven track record of working with the other side, Obama says stupid stuff like the Republicans have to ride in the back [of the bus] and then complains that they don't want to work with his arrogant a$s.
Oh come on, Subby - Romney flip-flopped more than a #5 Denny's pancake breakfast.

He wanted to increase military spending - by a lot. That by itself is not what I would consider reducing the debt ceiling. He agreed on most of everything on Obamacare. He alienated half the nation, most women voters and damn near every Hispanic voter in the land. He backed politicians who thought of rape as an "act of God." His idea of reducing entitlements were lost on an 8-foot tall yellow bird.

But hey - what's not to like about this guy?

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I can't stand Bachmann. She's a total nut job. She makes Palin look non-nutty and that's saying something.
Actually Romney mopped the floor with Obama in the first debate. All I saw from both Biden and Obama was fear mongering and shooting down Ryan and Romney's ideas, without offering any substantive ideas of their own, other than to tax those making more than 250k, which made me laugh because as Bill Clinton has acknowledged ... even if we taxed folks like him at 100% it still wouldn't pay for all the spending Obama and the dems are doing or prevent us from becoming Greece by 2021. In fact, it was projected to only bring in 68 billion a year more of revenue. 68 billion when you are running 1000 plus billion dollar deficits isn't a real solution ... yet that is all you ever heard from both of them.
So to me, you had two folks, i.e. Romney and Ryan, who identified what the actual biggest problem was facing our nation ... i.e. our debt, and you had Obama and Biden using fear mongering to scare folks away from their solution (even if imperfect ... at least they had some ideas to come to the table with) and instead proposing a feel good non-solution to it, i.e. taxing those making more than 250k, which I liken to the proverbial sticking a finger in the dyke.
Now that Obama has been re-elected he still hasn't shown any willingness to do anything about it. His only solution has been to raise taxes on a very small percentage of very rich, which as I pointed out doesn't really do anything in terms of our debt problem. You almost may as just as well not do anything in fact. It's not a solution.
I guarantee you had Romney been elected we'd see movement on our debt. Unlike the community organizer in chief whose only real world experience was organizing folks from the ghetto to vote so the government doesn't take away their cheese, Romney also had real world experience as governor, where he balanced the budget via a combination of tax increases and spending cuts, while working with the other side to accomplish it.
Whereas Romney has a proven track record of working with the other side, Obama says stupid stuff like the Republicans have to ride in the back [of the bus] and then complains that they don't want to work with his arrogant a$s.
Romney was and is a joke. He worked with the Dems in Boston because he had no choice. He hated the Dems so bad he rode a private elevator so he didn't have to stand next to them. He was proven over and over again to be a flip flopping fibber!!

He's against Obamacare but thats what Boston Mass uses. He wanted to get rid of Fema but in 2006 when there was a chemical spill in Mass. he didn't use banked money he used FEMA.

In Ohio and Michigan him and his company went in bought companys such as our Delfi, sucked the blood out of them, filed bankruptcy and put ppl out of work then when their stocks went down to .67 Ann Romney came in buying a shares that are now worth around 33 & and they made a 4000 % profit. Which is why he's under investigation now.

Not to mention the fake ass Sandy Relief he put on here in Ohio and the flat out lies he told about Jeep..

And he endorsed Aikon and Mourdock on the crazy chit they were saying about women and abortion....yeah he was a real winner so much so his own party disowned him after the election..

Good Bye Ritt Momney or whatever your name was!!!

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Oh come on, Subby - Romney flip-flopped more than a #5 Denny's pancake breakfast.
He wanted to increase military spending - by a lot. That by itself is not what I would consider reducing the debt ceiling. He agreed on most of everything on Obamacare. He alienated half the nation, most women voters and damn near every Hispanic voter in the land. He backed politicians who thought of rape as an "act of God." His idea of reducing entitlements were lost on an 8-foot tall yellow bird.
But hey - what's not to like about this guy?
The only thing he was wrong about with his 48% comment was the actual percentage. He actually should have said 33%, because that’s about the percentage of households receiving at least one form of welfare. And when you have allowed yourself to become a ward of the state, have no problem with it, seems perfectly normal to you, and think you are owed more and more help, you certainly aren’t going to vote for someone who realizes that we need entitlement reform and isn’t promising you a never ending amount of more and more “help” and who believes other than a basic safety net, you should help yourself. So, while folks may not have liked what he had to say, there actually was a lot of truth to it. As I said, his only problem was that he threw about 15% of the people under the bus that he shouldn’t have.

In terms of military spending, politicians say a lot of things when they are running for election that they don’t actually do … let’s take Obama promising to take on pharmaceutical companies and allow the government to negotiate prices and allow drug importation when he campaigned his first time and then actively campaigning against it when he rammed obamacare down our throats. It actually would have been one of the most easy ways to make healthcare more affordable (and you can’t blame that it didn’t happen on republicans cause none of them voted for that piece of garbage legislation … that was all on democrats). I think the realities of our budget situation would have precluded the possibility of more spending on the military.

Furthermore, if you ask me, I’d rather spend more money on folks who have served in the form of better salary, benefits, healthcare, than give more stuff to freeloaders, which is what Obama likes to do. We’ve seen him issue executive orders that forgive student loans after 20 years … meanwhile many folks (including some of my friends from high school) sign up for the military in part for the college aid, yet the kid who doesn’t sign up to serve is the one who Obama grants preferential treatment to. He can go major in the lucrative field of philosophy, not pay back his loans (as if that wasn’t foreseeable), and Obama will see to it that his loans are forgiven in 20 years.

The Hispanic voters will only be happy with Amnesty. Anything short of that will alienate them. Amnesty would only make our budget situation worse. We’d have 20 million more folks receiving free Obamacare, which would increase the costs by about 2/3 … they’d also be entitled to all sorts of other welfare benefits. Amnesty would result in the transfer of trillions of dollars to foreign nationals here illegally. To be clear, he certainly is no Obama when it comes to Hispanics, given that his administration is working with the Mexican consulate to encourage illegals to sign up for food stamps for their anchor babies. That’s exactly what we need to be doing … encouraging illegal aliens to take more money from American taxpayers. If the price of making Hispanics happy is transferring trillions of dollars to them and granting them amnesty, good for Romney, I say.

In terms of the act of god and rape, actually Romney condemned Richard Mourdock for that statement. I do think he should have withdrawn his support; however, given Obama’s affiliation with Wright I’d say he’s no stranger to associating with slime, either.

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Actually, he was spot on - that 47% included people that paid virtually no taxes on their millions - including himself.

He implicated himself so many times during his run it was comical. And then to find out afterwards he didn't want the presidency afterall. That's all we needed in the White House, a quitter. Great choice GOP.

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So what you're saying is lying is ok, as long as you're a politician?

I could've swore that most Conservatives were bashing Obama for his "lies" before the election - but now it's ok?

Kinda' hypocritical if you ask me.

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<quoted text> Romney was and is a joke. He worked with the Dems in Boston because he had no choice. He hated the Dems so bad he rode a private elevator so he didn't have to stand next to them. He was proven over and over again to be a flip flopping fibber!!
He had no choice? Certainly he had a choice. He could have been just like Obama has been for the last 4 years, allowed debt to keep ballooning, and kicked the can down the road.
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<quoted text> He's against Obamacare but thats what Boston Mass uses.
Did Mass have a massive deficit when he created that program? Did they have impending massive shortfalls in programs like SS and Medicare that would need resources dedicated? Did he ignore all this and say, f’ it even though we are up to our necks in debt and have existing entitlements that are running dry, let’s not fix them and instead create another massive entitlement program?
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<quoted text> He wanted to get rid of Fema but in 2006 when there was a chemical spill in Mass. he didn't use banked money he used FEMA.
He wanted the states to handle disaster relief. That way the states that allow folks to build in hurricane prone areas and the people who choose to build in those locals can bear the costs, not the nation as a whole. Everyone has known for a long time that a hurricane could come and do massive damage in NYC. Many folks have said they need to build better flood control. Why should they build better flood control when the Feds will just come in and take care of them should they not?

It’s like in NC, they changed the insurance rules not too long ago to allow insurance companies to raise the insurance rates on everyone in NC should a hurricane do damage on the coast. As if I give a f’ if someone has a beach home. As if I want to subsidize the inherent risk of building in that local. Call me a fascist, but if you are wealthy enough to own a beach home or choose to live in that area, you can pay for your own f’ing insurance.
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<quoted text> In Ohio and Michigan him and his company went in bought companys such as our Delfi, sucked the blood out of them, filed bankruptcy and put ppl out of work then when their stocks went down to .67 Ann Romney came in buying a shares that are now worth around 33 & and they made a 4000 % profit. Which is why he's under investigation now.
A company he had investments in was involved in Delphi. Is he personally responsible for the act of every company he invests in? Do you own a 401k? Are you personally responsible for the act of every company that your 401k invests in?

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The only thing he was wrong about with his 48% comment was the actual percentage. He actually should have said 33%, because that’s about the percentage of households receiving at least one form of welfare. And when you have allowed yourself to become a ward of the state, have no problem with it, seems perfectly normal to you, and think you are owed more and more help, you certainly aren’t going to vote for someone who realizes that we need entitlement reform and isn’t promising you a never ending amount of more and more “help” and who believes other than a basic safety net, you should help yourself. So, while folks may not have liked what he had to say, there actually was a lot of truth to it. As I said, his only problem was that he threw about 15% of the people under the bus that he shouldn’t have.
In terms of military spending, politicians say a lot of things when they are running for election that they don’t actually do … let’s take Obama promising to take on pharmaceutical companies and allow the government to negotiate prices and allow drug importation when he campaigned his first time and then actively campaigning against it when he rammed obamacare down our throats. It actually would have been one of the most easy ways to make healthcare more affordable (and you can’t blame that it didn’t happen on republicans cause none of them voted for that piece of garbage legislation … that was all on democrats). I think the realities of our budget situation would have precluded the possibility of more spending on the military.
Furthermore, if you ask me, I’d rather spend more money on folks who have served in the form of better salary, benefits, healthcare, than give more stuff to freeloaders, which is what Obama likes to do. We’ve seen him issue executive orders that forgive student loans after 20 years … meanwhile many folks (including some of my friends from high school) sign up for the military in part for the college aid, yet the kid who doesn’t sign up to serve is the one who Obama grants preferential treatment to. He can go major in the lucrative field of philosophy, not pay back his loans (as if that wasn’t foreseeable), and Obama will see to it that his loans are forgiven in 20 years.
The Hispanic voters will only be happy with Amnesty. Anything short of that will alienate them. Amnesty would only make our budget situation worse. We’d have 20 million more folks receiving free Obamacare, which would increase the costs by about 2/3 … they’d also be entitled to all sorts of other welfare benefits. Amnesty would result in the transfer of trillions of dollars to foreign nationals here illegally. To be clear, he certainly is no Obama when it comes to Hispanics, given that his administration is working with the Mexican consulate to encourage illegals to sign up for food stamps for their anchor babies. That’s exactly what we need to be doing … encouraging illegal aliens to take more money from American taxpayers. If the price of making Hispanics happy is transferring trillions of dollars to them and granting them amnesty, good for Romney, I say.
In terms of the act of god and rape, actually Romney condemned Richard Mourdock for that statement. I do think he should have withdrawn his support; however, given Obama’s affiliation with Wright I’d say he’s no stranger to associating with slime, either.
Slime? Well he did have lunch with Ritt Momney didn't he? You're right about that!! Slimeball scum flip floppping fibber..

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Actually, he was spot on - that 47% included people that paid virtually no taxes on their millions - including himself.
He implicated himself so many times during his run it was comical. And then to find out afterwards he didn't want the presidency afterall. That's all we needed in the White House, a quitter. Great choice GOP.
http://madamenoire.com/248116/thats-what-all-...
So what you're saying is lying is ok, as long as you're a politician?
I could've swore that most Conservatives were bashing Obama for his "lies" before the election - but now it's ok?
Kinda' hypocritical if you ask me.
I'd rather he lie about funding the military than lie about taking on pharmaceutical companies, allowing the government to negotiate prices, allowing drug importation, and then actively campaigning to prevent it. To even call that bill the affordable care act is ridiculous. It should have been called the having other people pay for other peoples insurance act.

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In terms of the auto bailout, Romney was advocating that they be allowed to go through bankruptcy, which is what they did. Companies do it all the time and survive.

The only thing Obama did was get the government involved in a bailout and put tax payers money on the line (a lot of which we will never recover) when the truth is had he not, it would have been creditors and the unions (who contributed to their decline with their ridiculous demands) who would have lost out.

Not only that, specifically with Delphi, if you were a union employee you got your pension, but if you were a salaried employee you got hosed on your pension. That was pure political payback.

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<quoted text>Slime? Well he did have lunch with Ritt Momney didn't he? You're right about that!! Slimeball scum flip floppping fibber..
That's all you got, eh. So I take it you agree with everything else I said ... for if not, surely you would quite easily show me where I went wrong.

And actually, many folks who are religious think god has a hand in everything. I'm agnostic ... I think it's silly ... but I don't really see Mourdock's comment as being all that different from someone saying that god called someone to heaven when they died. If someone says such a thing about a child who dies, does that mean they hate children?

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He implicated himself so many times during his run it was comical. And then to find out afterwards he didn't want the presidency afterall. That's all we needed in the White House, a quitter. Great choice GOP.
http://madamenoire.com/248116/thats-what-all-...
What his son actually said was that he didn't want to be President, but did so because he felt he was the best qualified. I took it to mean that he was sacrificing his own desires for the good of the country. Of course you would cite a partisan article that puts a different spin on it.

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What his son actually said was that he didn't want to be President, but did so because he felt he was the best qualified. I took it to mean that he was sacrificing his own desires for the good of the country. Of course you would cite a partisan article that puts a different spin on it.
Nah, Tag also said he wanted to punch Obama in the face, but later recanted when he found out Obama was raised on the mean streets of Beirut in a Taliban gang.

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