Message to Obama
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Provo, UT

#97 Jun 16, 2014
no patients for fools wrote:
The thing that people forget is that Iraq- much like the US- is full of human beings. Their purpose in life is NOT to live and die by the will of US politicians anymore than by Iraqi politicians. This is a game for Lindsey Graham and all but, it is there lives at stake. They were better off under Saddam Hussein. As bad as GW Bush was for us, he was worse for them.
patience? Me too.
Bill

Owensboro, KY

#99 Jun 16, 2014
Did you mean wrote:
<quoted text>patience? Me too.
All the "smart people" said a United States withdrawal from Iraq would give Iran control of Iraq. I guess they were right?

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#101 Jun 17, 2014
kinda like a Hitler in place to Stalin .... yep good thinking there .....
The Eternal Hooka of Life

Chicago, IL

#103 Jun 17, 2014
Charles wrote:
Um, no, vague poster, it's not like that at all. It wouldn't have been changing dictators at all. It would have been leaving Saddam in place. 4500 American servicemen and 100,000 Iraqi civilians would still be alive. It would have been not poking a hornets nest for no good reason other than your VP and his cronies making $39.5 billion dollars rebuilding a country that your citizens spent over a trillion destroying.
*where's that damn thumbs up button*
right here

Flossmoor, IL

#104 Jun 17, 2014
The new world order..........

“Denny Crain”

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#105 Jun 17, 2014
tora tora tora wrote:
kinda like a Hitler in place to Stalin .... yep good thinking there .....
Iraq was in violation of the the terms that stopped the war. He was firing on American aircraft and he still had WMDs. 500 were found left from the first war. What would have been the American death toll is he funded terrorist and provided them with WMDs?

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#107 Jun 17, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
<quoted text> Iraq was in violation of the the terms that stopped the war. He was firing on American aircraft and he still had WMDs. 500 were found left from the first war. What would have been the American death toll is he funded terrorist and provided them with WMDs?
I know what it was ,, we have been over this bull shitt a few hundred times ..Saddam was a weapon of mass destruction alone at 3,000 killed a week

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#108 Jun 17, 2014
Denny is correct ... ..... every one knows that Texans don't tell lies ... whoppers yes , but lies no

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

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Greensburg, IN

#109 Jun 17, 2014
3 T said wrote:
Denny is correct ........ every one knows that Texans don't tell lies ... whoppers yes , but lies no
Depends on what the meaning of whoppers is???

3 T is that what Obama's are?
NO!'we' know he doesn't have any of those.

“"*" Always Thinking "*"”

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Greensburg, IN

#110 Jun 17, 2014
Message to Obama:
Now you know I know!
Millions more will find out soon, I know you know.
Just so everyone knows.

Hume is absolutely wrong and he knows it, why would he even say it?
He knows Obama's administration is one of the most manipulating conspirative political machines ever, why does he deny that?
Obama knows every move that is made in this nation today and it's going his way so why not celebrate and party?
He don't give a shitt about the "US" as long as he gets his way and he's proven that it's not all that tough to-do-it!
Narcissism Chapter #1

http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/06/17/brit-hum...

Excerpt:
I believe that he is basically caught off guard by all these things. Because I think this is an administration that, we're coming to find out, is one of almost unimaginable incompetence and, in many respects, disengagement.

“Denny Crain”

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#111 Jun 17, 2014
It was not incompetence that had them build a Obama care website that had no back side to show who had actually bought insurance. They could claim any BS number they want. Just like the claim of how many jobs they saved. How do you count a saved job?

“Denny Crain”

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#113 Jun 17, 2014
buy the same token wrote:
<quoted text>How do YOU count WMD's, brainiac? You believe whatever you hear from Alex Jones.
https://answers.yahoo.com/ques tion/index;_ylt=AwrBTzsMrKBThE YA7PFXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTExNjdtbn JtBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2Jm MQR2dGlkA1VJQzFfMQ--?qid=20060 621185640AAJTeAE Maybe this will help you. 500 WMDs were found left from the first war. Some were usualable and some were degraded

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#114 Jun 17, 2014
So, where are the IRS emails? Lois Lerner and several other IRS employees had their email mysteriously deleted? Wow, ok then. Not even a smidgen of corruption eh?

“Denny Crain”

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#115 Jun 17, 2014
In this case, the surprise isnít the data but the source. Wikileaksí new release from purloined files of the Department of Defense may help remind people that, contrary to popular opinion and media memes, the US did find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and in significant quantities. While the invasion of Iraq didnít find huge stockpiles of new WMDs, it did uncover stockpiles that the UN had demanded destroyed as a condition of the 1991 truce that Saddam Hussein abrogated for twelve years (via Instapundit): Sorry link didn't take but it is an easy google search
Average Jo

Cheyenne, WY

#116 Jun 17, 2014
Message to Obama: Step down. You're incompetent, and an embarrassment.

“Got'em figured out?”

Since: Nov 09

Think again

#118 Jun 17, 2014
The Eternal Hooka of Life wrote:
<quoted text>
*where's that damn thumbs up button*
For this post and #102 by Charles, follow my lead and type ---

Props!

“Got'em figured out?”

Since: Nov 09

Think again

#119 Jun 17, 2014
Denny CranesPlace wrote:
In this case, the surprise isnít the data but the source. Wikileaksí new release from purloined files of the Department of Defense may help remind people that, contrary to popular opinion and media memes, the US did find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and in significant quantities. While the invasion of Iraq didnít find huge stockpiles of new WMDs, it did uncover stockpiles that the UN had demanded destroyed as a condition of the 1991 truce that Saddam Hussein abrogated for twelve years (via Instapundit): Sorry link didn't take but it is an easy google search
Wikileaks not needed. WMDs are explained in 2 (or more) Wikipedia articles. One is used here.
For the 500 WMDs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMDs_in_Iraq#Ira...

Beginning in 2003, the ISG had uncovered remnants of Iraq's 1980s-era WMD programs. On June 21, 2006 Rick Santorum claimed that "we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons", citing a declassified June 6 letter to Pete Hoekstra saying that since the 2003 invasion, a total of "approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent" had been found scattered throughout the country.[114][115]

But why did we really invade Iraq? The drumbeat and rationale to invade Iraq is explained here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WMDs_in_Iraq#UNS...
In the buildup to the 2003 war, the New York Times published a number of stories claiming to prove that Iraq possessed WMD. One story in particular, written by Judith Miller helped persuade the American public that Iraq had WMD: in September 2002 she wrote about an intercepted shipment of aluminum tubes which the NYT said were to be used to develop nuclear material. It is now generally understood that they were not intended (or well suited) for that purpose but rather for artillery rockets. The story was followed up with television appearances by Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice all pointing to the story as part of the basis for taking military action against Iraq. Miller's sources were introduced to her by Ahmed Chalabi, an Iraqi exile favorable to a U.S. invasion of Iraq.[citation needed] Miller is also listed as a speaker for The Middle East Forum, an organization which openly declared support for an invasion.[citation needed] In May 2004 the New York Times published an editorial which stated that its journalism in the build up to war had sometimes been lax. It appears that in the cases where Iraqi exiles were used for the stories about WMD were either ignorant as to the real status of Iraq's WMD or lied to journalists to achieve their own ends.

Despite the intelligence lapse, Bush stood by his decision to invade Iraq stating:

"But what wasn't wrong was Saddam Hussein had invaded a country, he had used weapons of mass destruction, he had the capability of making weapons of mass destruction, he was firing at our pilots. He was a state sponsor of terror. Removing Saddam Hussein was the right thing for world peace and the security of our country."

In a speech before the World Affairs Council of Charlotte, NC, on April 7, 2006, President Bush stated that he "fully understood that the intelligence was wrong, and [he was] just as disappointed as everybody else" when U.S. troops failed to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.[88]

That was where George Tennant, Director of CIA, came into play with the 'more hopeful' edited version of the analysts report about WMDs. There was also the spectre the dynamics of yellow-cake, the rebuttal of Ambassador Joe Wilson, and the intentional outing of his CIA operative wife Valerie Flame.

Yes, that's why we pre-empted Iraq with Shock and Awe and Mission Accomplished.
Pride has its Price

Flossmoor, IL

#120 Jun 17, 2014
Charles wrote:
Um, no, vague poster, it's not like that at all. It wouldn't have been changing dictators at all. It would have been leaving Saddam in place. 4500 American servicemen and 100,000 Iraqi civilians would still be alive. It would have been not poking a hornets nest for no good reason other than your VP and his cronies making $39.5 billion dollars rebuilding a country that your citizens spent over a trillion destroying.
It all started with the sanctions......
U.N. inspectors goin in to take a look......Saddam would have non of it.
Pride has its Price

Flossmoor, IL

#121 Jun 17, 2014
10+ years of sanctions that were'nt working.

now what?

It was in OUR best interest to make sure he did'nt have these weapons.....he had already used them on the Kurds.....which I believe he got from us....Gotta love this fcukin world.
I think we were more afraid of him selling WMD to the terrorists than anything else.....

Saddam could have walked away and saved his country!
Barry

Owensboro, KY

#124 Jun 17, 2014
Oil was not the only goal of the Iraq War, but it was certainly the central one, as top U.S. military and political figures have attested to in the years following the invasion.

"Of course it's about oil; we can't really deny that," said Gen. John Abizaid, former head of U.S. Central Command and Military Operations in Iraq, in 2007. Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan agreed, writing in his memoir, "I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil." Then-Sen. and now Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said the same in 2007: "People say we're not fighting for oil. Of course we are."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/19/opinion/iraq-wa...

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