Message to Obama

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Since: Aug 08

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#249 Jun 19, 2014
Astounded Anteater wrote:
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6.3?!?!?!
Put the crack pipe down. You've had entirely too much.
Step 1) At the end of 02', the debt stood at 6.4 trillion. Even without the 2.5 borrowed from China, it was at 10.7 trillion at the end of 08'.
Step 2) add the 2.5 too the 10.7. This becomes your starting point.
Step 3) Subtract that number from the debt number at the end of 12' and you'll see what everyone outside the bubble sees.
Your problem is obvious. You're using republican math. No matter how hard you wish for 1+1 to equal 3 1/2, it will never work. Try stepping outside the bubble and into the real world with the rest of us. I know you aren't used to it but, it's not as scary as your masters want you to believe. Stop being merely an obstructionist and start working towards solutions.
The problem isn't a crack pipe ... but rather your reading comprehension.

I'm talking about "marketable debt" ... debt owed to the public and debt that must be paid back or the result will be a default. Marketable debt, does not include debt the government has borrowed from itself ($$ taken from the SS trust fund, for example) and will never pay back.

It's not republican math that makes it so, but rather that it is almost quite silly to even include debt the government owes to itself into the equation. Would you feel compelled to pay back money that you borrowed from yourself? What's to stop you from paying that money back and then borrowing it again or borrowing more money from yourself to pay the money you already borrowed from yourself and are paying back. It's a big effing game. In any case, I think we can both agree that non-marketable debt it's a completely different animal than marketable debt that another person holds and that must be paid back at a definite time.
Ami in Miami

United States

#250 Jun 19, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
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The problem isn't a crack pipe ... but rather your reading comprehension.
I'm talking about "marketable debt" ... debt owed to the public and debt that must be paid back or the result will be a default. Marketable debt, does not include debt the government has borrowed from itself ($$ taken from the SS trust fund, for example) and will never pay back.
It's not republican math that makes it so, but rather that it is almost quite silly to even include debt the government owes to itself into the equation. Would you feel compelled to pay back money that you borrowed from yourself? you feel compelled to pay back money that you borrowed from yourself? What's to stop you from paying that money back and then borrowing it again or borrowing more money from yourself to pay the money you already borrowed from yourself and are paying back. It's a big effing game. In any case, I think we can both agree that non-marketable debt it's a completely different animal than marketable debt that another person holds and that must be paid back at a definite time.
"Would you feel compelled to pay back money that you borrowed from yourself?"

Absolutely! You always pay yourself first.

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Since: Aug 08

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#251 Jun 19, 2014
Ami in Miami wrote:
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"Plus, they drink a lot."
"Bush on the Couch"
>>>>>"Thro ugh their failure to impart in their son this vital coping tool, Frank holds that the Bushes, in effect, undermined George W.’s ability to embrace compassion and humanity in even its simplest forms.
Another prominent factor in Frank’s analysis surrounds the reality of George W. Bush’s heavy drinking, and the reborn Christian identity he has adopted to supplant it. Of Bush’s untreated alcoholism, Frank writes:“His abstinence protects him from the crippling effects of heavy alcohol consumption, but he remains in the grip of alcoholic thinking that the program of AA (Alcoholics Anonymous), and the regular practice of its principles, helps its members keep at bay.”
Labeling the president a “dry drunk,” Frank goes on to detail how Bush’s fear of falling off the wagon — and the resultant avoidance he displays toward any situation(s) that might threaten his tenuous sobriety — forces him into a rigid and narrow routine of behavior, as well as a continual pattern of escape … that, along with the inflexible dogma espoused by his strict Christian beliefs, forms Bush’s intolerant and paranoid, black-and-white worldview — where he fancies himself a de facto Old West lawman, on the trail of an elusive roaming posse of ne’er-do-well evildoers. Whether he’s fighting terrorism abroad or political foes at home, Frank writes, Bush “shows a rigid inability to consider the idea that anything in his own behavior might qualify as destructive; instead he projects such impulses onto his many perceived persecutors, to maintain his sense of self.” Such self-righteous and pious crusading is at the heart of every decision Bush has made since becoming president in 2001.
In “Bush on the Couch,” Frank presents a compelling argument that George W. Bush is mentally unfit to lead the United States of America. It is an intriguing read with a poignant message — more a clarion call, really, to which all Americans should heed. As Frank writes at the end of the book:“Our sole treatment option — for his benefit and for ours — is to remove President Bush from office. It is up to all of us — Congress, the media and voters—to do so, before it is too late.”<<<<<<
http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/mayhew/bus...
Comparing Obama to Bush would only be relevant if they were running against each other. If so, when people brought up all of Obama's poor decisions, you could say, yeah, but between him and Bush, Bush was worse. That would have merit if that were the case.

The problem with your logic is that our choices in the last two elections were not between Obama and Bush. Therefore, you are just using a coping mechisim (because you can't admit that he sucks; why because you voted for him and he's liberal like you, therefore he must be perfect and god like and infallible) that consists of factoring Bush into the equation simply to make yourself feel better when others point out Obama's poor decision making.

Why not compare him to Attila the Hun too and tell yourself, when I compare him to Attila the Hun, he actually looks like a pretty good leader, while you are at it ... to make you feel better. How does that make you feel when you do that?

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Since: Aug 08

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#252 Jun 19, 2014
Further, maybe we should put Obama on a couch with all his absent-daddy issues:

http://www.amazon.com/Roots-Obamas-Rage-Dines...

The Roots of Obama’s Rage

We are today living out the script for America and the world that was dreamt up not by Obama but by Obama’s father. How do I know this? Because Obama says so himself. Reflect for a moment on the title of his book: it’s not Dreams of My Father but rather Dreams from My Father. In other words, Obama is not writing a book about his father’s dreams; he is writing a book about the dreams that he got from his father.

Think about what this means. The most powerful country in the world is being governed according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s—a polygamist who abandoned his wives, drank himself into stupors, and bounced around on two iron legs (after his real legs had to be amputated because of a car crash caused by his drunk driving). This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anti-colonial ambitions, is now setting the nation’s agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son is the one who is making it happen, but the son is, as he candidly admits, only living out his father’s dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is being governed by a ghost.

Dinesh D’Souza is the president of The King’s College in New York City. He is a former White House domestic policy analyst and research scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. His bestselling books include Illiberal Education, The End of Racism, and What’s So Great About America.
Dondo

United States

#253 Jun 19, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
Further, maybe we should put Obama on a couch with all his absent-daddy issues:

http://www.amazon.com/Roots-Obamas-Rage-Dines...

The Roots of Obama’s Rage

We are today living out the script for America and the world that was dreamt up not by Obama but by Obama’s father. How do I know this? Because Obama says so himself. Reflect for a moment on the title of his book: it’s not Dreams of My Father but rather Dreams from My Father. In other words, Obama is not writing a book about his father’s dreams; he is writing a book about the dreams that he got from his father.

Think about what this means. The most powerful country in the world is being governed according to the dreams of a Luo tribesman of the 1950s—a polygamist who abandoned his wives, drank himself into stupors, and bounced around on two iron legs (after his real legs had to be amputated because of a car crash caused by his drunk driving). This philandering, inebriated African socialist, who raged against the world for denying him the realization of his anti-colonial ambitions, is now setting the nation’s agenda through the reincarnation of his dreams in his son. The son is the one who is making it happen, but the son is, as he candidly admits, only living out his father’s dream. The invisible father provides the inspiration, and the son dutifully gets the job done. America today is being governed by a ghost.

Dinesh D’Souza is the president of The King’s College in New York City. He is a former White House domestic policy analyst and research scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. His bestselling books include Illiberal Education, The End of Racism, and What’s So Great About America.
Proving that he's not just a frustrated Koch sucker, sublime delves into tea bagger idiocy.
Dondo

United States

#254 Jun 19, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>The problem isn't a crack pipe ... but rather your reading comprehension.

I'm talking about "marketable debt" ... debt owed to the public and debt that must be paid back or the result will be a default. Marketable debt, does not include debt the government has borrowed from itself ($$ taken from the SS trust fund, for example) and will never pay back.

It's not republican math that makes it so, but rather that it is almost quite silly to even include debt the government owes to itself into the equation. Would you feel compelled to pay back money that you borrowed from yourself? What's to stop you from paying that money back and then borrowing it again or borrowing more money from yourself to pay the money you already borrowed from yourself and are paying back. It's a big effing game. In any case, I think we can both agree that non-marketable debt it's a completely different animal than marketable debt that another person holds and that must be paid back at a definite time.
Bunch of double talk retardism.

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Since: Aug 08

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#255 Jun 19, 2014
Ami in Miami wrote:
<quoted text>
"Would you feel compelled to pay back money that you borrowed from yourself?"
Absolutely! You always pay yourself first.
Actually, when you are constant need of loans, as our government is, you would pay your creditors first. If you don't pay them, you default on debt, which causes your borrowing costs to go up astronomically (which is why raising the debt ceiling was such a huge deal). Also, they are charging you interest, which you probably aren't charging yourself.
Dondo

United States

#256 Jun 19, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>Comparing Obama to Bush would only be relevant if they were running against each other. If so, when people brought up all of Obama's poor decisions, you could say, yeah, but between him and Bush, Bush was worse. That would have merit if that were the case.

The problem with your logic is that our choices in the last two elections were not between Obama and Bush. Therefore, you are just using a coping mechisim (because you can't admit that he sucks; why because you voted for him and he's liberal like you, therefore he must be perfect and god like and infallible) that consists of factoring Bush into the equation simply to make yourself feel better when others point out Obama's poor decision making.

Why not compare him to Attila the Hun too and tell yourself, when I compare him to Attila the Hun, he actually looks like a pretty good leader, while you are at it ... to make you feel better. How does that make you feel when you do that?
Another lil dumbfk Obama hater.
Ami in Miami

United States

#257 Jun 19, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem isn't a crack pipe ... but rather your reading comprehension.
I'm talking about "marketable debt" ... debt owed to the public and debt that must be paid back or the result will be a default. Marketable debt, does not include debt the government has borrowed from itself ($$ taken from the SS trust fund, for example) and will never pay back.
It's not republican math that makes it so, but rather that it is almost quite silly to even include debt the government owes to itself into the equation. Would you feel compelled to pay back money that you borrowed from yourself? What's to stop you from paying that money back and then borrowing it again or borrowing more money from yourself to pay the money you already borrowed from yourself and are paying back. It's a big effing game. In any case, I think we can both agree that non-marketable debt it's a completely different animal than marketable debt that another person holds and that must be paid back at a definite time.
"What's to stop you from paying that money back and then borrowing it again or borrowing more money from yourself to pay the money you already borrowed from yourself and are paying back. It's a big effing game."

Duh!
Dondo

United States

#258 Jun 19, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, when you are constant need of loans, as our government is, you would pay your creditors first. If you don't pay them, you default on debt, which causes your borrowing costs to go up astronomically (which is why raising the debt ceiling was such a huge deal). Also, they are charging you interest, which you probably aren't charging yourself.
The debt ceiling was a manufactured crisis made up by sore loser republicans to disparage Obama. And lil dopes like you glommed on it. Don't wanna pay for bush's unfounded wars??
Dondo

United States

#259 Jun 19, 2014
Unfunded.

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#260 Jun 19, 2014
Dondo wrote:
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Another lil dumbfk Obama hater.
You hate him too, but instead of acknowledging it, you just do this little mental trick to convince yourself otherwise:

Compared to __________insert the name of someone you feel was a horrendous leader, such as Bush, Attila the Hun, Caligula, Mao, and Stalin), Obama's really not that bad of a leader.

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#261 Jun 19, 2014
Ami in Miami wrote:
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"What's to stop you from paying that money back and then borrowing it again or borrowing more money from yourself to pay the money you already borrowed from yourself and are paying back. It's a big effing game."
Duh!
<3 I want you to know that you are so much nicer than Jeffrey Dahmer. No, no, I really mean that!

:)

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#262 Jun 19, 2014
I gotta go. I have to get one last thing out that is due before I will be back in the office.

Bye
Dondo

United States

#263 Jun 19, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>You hate him too, but instead of acknowledging it, you just do this little mental trick to convince yourself otherwise:

Compared to __________insert the name of someone you feel was a horrendous leader, such as Bush, Attila the Hun, Caligula, Mao, and Stalin), Obama's really not that bad of a leader.
Those are your thoughts, azzhole.
Just thought id tell you.
Lil morons like you that think they are rich republicans are funny to watch.
Hope you aren't accepting any government programs for your special needs child.
Ami in Miami

United States

#264 Jun 19, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You hate him too, but instead of acknowledging it, you just do this little mental trick to convince yourself otherwise:
Compared to __________insert the name of someone you feel was a horrendous leader, such as Bush, Attila the Hun, Caligula, Mao, and Stalin), Obama's really not that bad of a leader.
Compared to _____CEO and Co-founder of Topix...Obama's not that bad of a leader.
Ami in Miami

United States

#265 Jun 19, 2014
Sublime1 wrote:
I gotta go. I have to get one last thing out that is due before I will be back in the office.
Bye
Compared to _____Chris Tolles, CEO and Co-founder of Topix, Obama's not that bad of a leader.
Reality Rino

Prairie Village, KS

#266 Jun 19, 2014
Dondo wrote:
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Bunch of double talk retardism.
They just can't seem to get it thru their heads that we don't owe ourselves a dime. We owe our creditors (other countries) and the owners of the money (the federal reserve). So theyale up a bunch of hogwash to make themselves feel better.

All he's doing is making a poor attempt at covering his assertion that this president has added more debt than all other presidents combined. What he so conveniently seems to avoid however is, Reagan added 188.6% to the debt during his time in office. They don't want to talk about that though. To say anything about that would be blasphemy.
6 carry the 1

Provo, UT

#271 Jun 19, 2014
Reality Rino wrote:
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They just can't seem to get it thru their heads that we don't owe ourselves a dime. We owe our creditors (other countries) and the owners of the money (the federal reserve). So theyale up a bunch of hogwash to make themselves feel better.
All he's doing is making a poor attempt at covering his assertion that this president has added more debt than all other presidents combined. What he so conveniently seems to avoid however is, Reagan added 188.6% to the debt during his time in office. They don't want to talk about that though. To say anything about that would be blasphemy.
I'd like him to redo his math for all of us to see. If Reegin Reagan added 188% to the debt and Obama is "more than all combined" what percent would that make what Obama added? 500% more? 600%? Tell us subtard, I'd like to know what it is (in your fantasy world).

“Denny Crain”

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#272 Jun 19, 2014
Dondo wrote:
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The debt ceiling was a manufactured crisis made up by sore loser republicans to disparage Obama. And lil dopes like you glommed on it. Don't wanna pay for bush's unfounded wars??
Over 17 trillion dollars is no manufactured crisis. Obama has spent more money than all other presidents combined! Bush was a piker in spending compared to Obama. The largest purchaser of our debt is us and we will pay for all that funny money with inflation. Jimmy Carter looked good compared to Obama

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