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#41 Jan 24, 2013
A college campus where many students are armed would be a repeat of the Houston shooting only with more people firing wildly and, in the event of a dedicated shooter like at VT, it would be chaos with armed students not knowing WHO to shoot at.

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#42 Jan 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
You're assuming many things - as does the NRA.
Now, let me get some basics in. You're assuming that:
1. The teacher can shoot - accurately and not hit another teacher or student.
2. That there would be at least one teacher who was not teaching at the time and was actually waiting for someone to break into school with a loaded gun.
3. Shooting someone with a handgun will drop them like an assault rifle. I've seen a guy run for 3-1/2 blocks after he was shot with a handgun and was still standing, waiting for the ambulance - not so much with an assault rifle.
4. That the "perp" would announce his entrance like a Hollywood movie star at the Oscars. He would probably not be wearing a paper target on his chest either.
You watch waaaaaay too much TV. Shooting to kill someone is not like it looks like on TV or the movies. The real world is not black and white. Shooting and killing someone has rattled even the best cops throughout history. It's not anything like posting testosterone-laden posts on a public forum.
It's not like it seems on TV.
The first gunshot wound that I ever
took care of was a 12 gauge shot
to the abdomen.
If you would have told me the guy
would not only survive but wouldn't
seem to be too affected by it I would
have laughed.

(however he was shot during a drunken
bbq by his own drunken brother..so
there was obviously something wrong
with these ppl to begin with...lol)

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#43 Jan 24, 2013
Billy R wrote:
<quoted text>So nice of you to obsess over me......
You? You always think it's all about you when it's really all about me......

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#44 Jan 24, 2013
Hitesrunprincess wrote:
<quoted text>You? You always think it's all about you when it's really all about me......
But we're boring. Yesterday Ferrerman only thought about us for ten hours.......
Taffy

United States

#45 Jan 24, 2013
Ohio Cowgirl wrote:
<quoted text>It was on the news. And on Anderson Cooper 360.. the guy and I'm sorry I missed his name,,, said thats what they want.
That's just nuts. They are dangerous enough behind a motor vehicle.

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#46 Jan 24, 2013
Billy R wrote:
<quoted text>But we're boring. Yesterday Ferrerman only thought about us for ten hours.......
Well, as long as he didn't waste his whole day obses--I mean--thinking about us......

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#47 Jan 24, 2013
YA rule for AMERICA to GIVE UP her RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!! YOU WILL see More random shootings than ever before, increase in home invasions and rebellion on the White House steps.. especially with ALL the Terrorism in the World...and the deadly attack of 9-11 ON OUR OWN SOIL!!!

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USA

#48 Jan 24, 2013
I don't know how it is in the rest of the country, but here in SoCal, we have closed campuses. There is a fence around the entire school and once school starts, all the gates are closed and can only be opened from the inside. The only access to the campus is by going through the main office, where one must explain who you are and why you are there. You are not allowed free access to the campus. This keeps out the undesirables. If a student is late, or tries to leave early, they have to go through the office also.If a parent or legal guardian is picking a child up, they wait in the office for the child to come to the office.

Hard for a knucklehead to shoot up a school with only one access point.

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#49 Jan 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
I don't know how it is in the rest of the country, but here in SoCal, we have closed campuses. There is a fence around the entire school and once school starts, all the gates are closed and can only be opened from the inside. The only access to the campus is by going through the main office, where one must explain who you are and why you are there. You are not allowed free access to the campus. This keeps out the undesirables. If a student is late, or tries to leave early, they have to go through the office also.If a parent or legal guardian is picking a child up, they wait in the office for the child to come to the office.
Hard for a knucklehead to shoot up a school with only one access point.
I think you just described the prison you are in and, I believe you were a Texan last week,

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#50 Jan 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
I don't know how it is in the rest of the country, but here in SoCal, we have closed campuses. There is a fence around the entire school and once school starts, all the gates are closed and can only be opened from the inside. The only access to the campus is by going through the main office, where one must explain who you are and why you are there. You are not allowed free access to the campus. This keeps out the undesirables. If a student is late, or tries to leave early, they have to go through the office also.If a parent or legal guardian is picking a child up, they wait in the office for the child to come to the office.
Hard for a knucklehead to shoot up a school with only one access point.
The fences around schools are not there to keep people out - on the contrary - they are there to serve a dual purpose. First, they ensure that the students don't go all over the place when they exit the grounds - using only prescribed pathways to cross streets. Secondly, they are normally surrounding playgrounds and fields - not the entire school. They're designed to keep the balls on the field/playground and off the streets. The fences are there for a different kind of safety.

Adam Lorenz simply walked up to the school door and shot out the glass.

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USA

#51 Jan 24, 2013
Ferrerman wrote:
<quoted text>I think you just described the prison you are in and, I believe you were a Texan last week,
I am and always will be a Texan, regardless of where my physical form may reside. my soul is always in Texas.
My only prison is having a soul trapped in a physical human shell, unable to be as free as my imagination.

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USA

#52 Jan 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
The fences around schools are not there to keep people out - on the contrary - they are there to serve a dual purpose. First, they ensure that the students don't go all over the place when they exit the grounds - using only prescribed pathways to cross streets. Secondly, they are normally surrounding playgrounds and fields - not the entire school. They're designed to keep the balls on the field/playground and off the streets. The fences are there for a different kind of safety.
Adam Lorenz simply walked up to the school door and shot out the glass.
So now the all knowing M69 will tell me that I don't know what I am talking about, when I have spent the last 30 years on school campuses with the ENTIRE school fenced in. Google Ester Lindstrom Elementary school, Mayfair High School, or any other school in the Bellflower Unified School District and look at the aerial view of the campus and then tell me that the fences only encompass the playground.
The purpose of the secure school facility is to keep the outside influences outside. No drug dealers, no gang punks just walking on campus. They have crossing guards at the intersections to shepherd the students and any other pedestrians during the hours before and after school.

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USA

#53 Jan 24, 2013
Adendum, it would be very hard to shoot out the glass and enter the school, since the schools I mentioned have only single steel doors with small wire reinforced glass windows in the top. He might shoot out the windows next to the door, but then he would have to clamber over the sill and over the counter and out the door to get on campus.

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#55 Jan 24, 2013

“A *wink* and a smile!!”

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USA

#56 Jan 24, 2013
Taffy wrote:
<quoted text>
That's just nuts. They are dangerous enough behind a motor vehicle.
I agree...:)

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#57 Jan 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
<quoted text>
So now the all knowing M69 will tell me that I don't know what I am talking about, when I have spent the last 30 years on school campuses with the ENTIRE school fenced in. Google Ester Lindstrom Elementary school, Mayfair High School, or any other school in the Bellflower Unified School District and look at the aerial view of the campus and then tell me that the fences only encompass the playground.
The purpose of the secure school facility is to keep the outside influences outside. No drug dealers, no gang punks just walking on campus. They have crossing guards at the intersections to shepherd the students and any other pedestrians during the hours before and after school.
LMFGDAO!!!

All knowing? Dude, it's common knowledge. It's like you're talking to someone who's never been to school before. LMAO!!! I've got news for you - just because your two or three schools are built like a prison, doesn't meean the other 99.999999% of scools are. I stick by my assessment.

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USA

#58 Jan 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
That shot is on the north side of the campus, outside the fences. try again. I have passed that campus hundreds of times and i guarantee it has fences surrounding it.

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#59 Jan 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
<quoted text>
That shot is on the north side of the campus, outside the fences. try again. I have passed that campus hundreds of times and i guarantee it has fences surrounding it.
Try again, yeah - I can see the building.

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USA

#60 Jan 24, 2013
milwaukee69 wrote:
<quoted text>
LMFGDAO!!!
All knowing? Dude, it's common knowledge. It's like you're talking to someone who's never been to school before. LMAO!!! I've got news for you - just because your two or three schools are built like a prison, doesn't meean the other 99.999999% of scools are. I stick by my assessment.
What is common knowledge, that you have personally visited each campus and know beyond the shadow of a doubt that they have no fences, anywhere except the sports fields.
I lived 3 houses from the grade school I spoke of and 1 residential block,(2 houses and a street) from the High school. So I KNOW what I speak of. Between Little League, ASA softball, Bobby Sox softball, AYSO soccer, Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, I have personally been on nearly every campus in the school district and can say from personal experience that they have the entire campus fenced in.

If you will reread my original post, i stated that I did not know how it was done elsewhere, but that here in SoCal it was done this way. Not just in the BUSD, but many Districts in LA and Orange County. The purpose as I will state again is to keep undesirables off the campus and i think it is a very effective way to do it.

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#61 Jan 24, 2013
REDNECK HIPPIE wrote:
<quoted text>
What is common knowledge, that you have personally visited each campus and know beyond the shadow of a doubt that they have no fences, anywhere except the sports fields.
I lived 3 houses from the grade school I spoke of and 1 residential block,(2 houses and a street) from the High school. So I KNOW what I speak of. Between Little League, ASA softball, Bobby Sox softball, AYSO soccer, Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts, I have personally been on nearly every campus in the school district and can say from personal experience that they have the entire campus fenced in.
If you will reread my original post, i stated that I did not know how it was done elsewhere, but that here in SoCal it was done this way. Not just in the BUSD, but many Districts in LA and Orange County. The purpose as I will state again is to keep undesirables off the campus and i think it is a very effective way to do it.
Again, that's California - not ALL schools, not only in California - but the United States, have fences around them.

Again, it's like you truly believe you're talking to someone who's never seen a school before.

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